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[1stcenturylady]

WOW!! You skipped right over the meaning of everything! You think no one would notice?

of course, referencing this:

Mat 22:36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.



The 10 hang on these 2---the first 4 deal with our duty to God, the last 6 deal with our duty to man.

The two great commandments are broken down like this in the New Covenant:

1 John 3:23 And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment.

1-4 believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ.
6-10 love one another

Where is belief in Jesus anywhere in the Ten Commandments? Only Jesus can save us.

By keeping the commandments of the New Covenant, you can't break the old law as they are swallowed up in the higher standard of the New Covenant.

 

[bekkilyn]

The two great commandments are broken down like this in the New Covenant:

1 John 3:23 And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment.

1-4 believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ.
6-10 love one another

Where is belief in Jesus anywhere in the Ten Commandments? Only Jesus can save us.

It's very clear that what you listed above is what Jesus was talking about when he talked about *his* commandments. Not sure why people believe they have to twist things into something else when it's clearly stated without having to read anything into it.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

You'll learn here much about it as well as learn much about people here from there orientation toward it.
It is denom, so it's boundaries are well defined for the most part. "Legalism" seems to be at least a part of every organized group and every member of one. I'm not a joiner, but if I had to, SDA would be on my short list. As you can see here, they are respectful and studious. I particularly like Bob Ryan. Tell him I said hello if you run into him.

Howdy Rick! "Secret Agent Man" ehehe

Legalism means Lawyers....
Only Luke mentions them.....interesting

Luke 7:30
But the Pharisees and Lawyers rejected the will of God for themselves, not having been baptized by him.
Luke 11:
45 And one of the Lawyers answering, says to Him,
“Teacher, saying these things You insult us also.”
46 And He said, “Woe to you the Lawyers also!
For you burden men with burdens heavy to bear, and you yourselves do not touch the burdens with one of your fingers
52 Woe to you the Lawyers,
for you have taken away the key of knowledge. You yourselves did not enter, and you hindered those who are entering.”
Luke 14:3
And Jesus, answering, spoke to the Lawyers and Pharisees, saying, “Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath?

Revelation 14:11
And the smoke of the tormenting of Them is ascending into Ages to-Ages....... [Luke 16:24,26]

So who ya gonna call.........

Pulpit Commentary
Verse 45. - Then answered one of the lawyers Master, thus saying thou reproachest us also.
It did not follow that all these professed jurists were of the Pharisee sect; some, doubtless, were Sadducees. It seems, however, probable that the greater proportion of these professional teachers and expounders of the Law did belong to the Pharisees.

The oral and written Law, based upon the comparatively simple Mosaic code, had now become the absolute guide and director of the whole life of the people in all its smaller details. The various copyists, lecturers, teachers, and casuists, who debated the many doubtful points constantly arising in the perplexing and elaborate system, were all known under the general term "scribes."

The lawyer was the scribe who had especially devoted his attention to the unravelment of the difficult and disputed questions which arose in the daily life of the people. This lawyer was certainly, considering the company he was associated with, of the strictest sect of Pharisees.

This person could not believe that this able Rabbi from Galilee - for that they must all, after the morning's discussion, have allowed Jesus to be - could include him and his holy order in his terrible denunciations, the truth of which the learned scribe not improbably dimly discerned.

 

[mmksparbud]

As I told you, for the believer it is no longer a law written in ink, or on tablets of stone, but tablets of human hearts. Your consciousness of sin comes from reading what is written in ink, not from within
And there is nothing about Jewish feasts in that verse, or the verses surrounding it

Again--it doesn't read THE SABBATH --it reads sabbath days--that is what the feasts were ---sabbaths.

ev 16:29 And this shall be a statute for ever unto you: that in the seventh month, on the tenth day of the month, ye shall afflict your souls, and do no work at all, whether it be one of your own country, or a stranger that sojourneth among you:
Lev 16:31 It shall be a sabbath of rest unto you, and ye shall afflict your souls, by a statute for ever.
Lev_23:24 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, In the seventh month, in the first day of the month, shall ye have a sabbath, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, an holy convocation.
Lev_23:32 It shall be unto you a sabbath of rest, and ye shall afflict your souls: in the ninth day of the month at even, from even unto even, shall ye celebrate your sabbath.
Lev_23:39 Also in the fifteenth day of the seventh month, when ye have gathered in the fruit of the land, ye shall keep a feast unto the LORD seven days: on the first day shall be a sabbath, and on the eighth day shall be a sabbath.
Lev_25:2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye come into the land which I give you, then shall the land keep a sabbath unto the LORD.
Lev_25:4 But in the seventh year shall be a sabbath of rest unto the land, a sabbath for the LORD: thou shalt neither sow thy field, nor prune thy vineyard.
Lev_25:6 And the sabbath of the land shall be meat for you; for thee, and for thy servant, and for thy maid, and for thy hired servant, and for thy stranger that sojourneth with thee,

 

[mmksparbud]

At least I have a verse, you have none from the new testament/covenant

No?---just the whole entire bible!

 

[stephen pollard]

Again--it doesn't read THE SABBATH --it reads sabbath days--that is what the feasts were ---sabbaths.

ev 16:29 And this shall be a statute for ever unto you: that in the seventh month, on the tenth day of the month, ye shall afflict your souls, and do no work at all, whether it be one of your own country, or a stranger that sojourneth among you:
Lev 16:31 It shall be a sabbath of rest unto you, and ye shall afflict your souls, by a statute for ever.
Lev_23:24 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, In the seventh month, in the first day of the month, shall ye have a sabbath, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, an holy convocation.
Lev_23:32 It shall be unto you a sabbath of rest, and ye shall afflict your souls: in the ninth day of the month at even, from even unto even, shall ye celebrate your sabbath.
Lev_23:39 Also in the fifteenth day of the seventh month, when ye have gathered in the fruit of the land, ye shall keep a feast unto the LORD seven days: on the first day shall be a sabbath, and on the eighth day shall be a sabbath.
Lev_25:2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye come into the land which I give you, then shall the land keep a sabbath unto the LORD.
Lev_25:4 But in the seventh year shall be a sabbath of rest unto the land, a sabbath for the LORD: thou shalt neither sow thy field, nor prune thy vineyard.
Lev_25:6 And the sabbath of the land shall be meat for you; for thee, and for thy servant, and for thy maid, and for thy hired servant, and for thy stranger that sojourneth with thee,

Paul would have been specific, if he meant what you are trying to reason he meant, he would not have left it open to misrepresentation. There is nothing concerning feast days in the verses surrounding rom 14:5
Anyway, if sda right concerning clean/unclean foods, in your view, did the leaders of the Christian church give gentiles a licence to sin? (Acts ch15)

 

[stephen pollard]

No?---just the whole entire bible!

You have not one verse of scripture from anywhere in the NT that states gentile converts are required to observe a set Saturday sabbath. As I told you, your conviction of sin/law that should be followed comes from reading what is written in ink, not from within:

You show that you are a letter from Christ, the result of our ministry, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts. 2Cor3:3

 

[mmksparbud]

Because Paul was a Hebrew is all the more reason, as a former Pharisee, He would have been specific. Paul knee how to write well and was educated in Greek

Yes--and he was speaking to Jews who are coming into Christianity and they had a whole bunch of "sabbaths" that no longer needed to be kept--at least not the ones that pointed to Jesus. Those that did not do that were OK to keep--even today.

 

[mmksparbud]

The two great commandments are broken down like this in the New Covenant:

1 John 3:23 And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment.

1-4 believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ.
6-10 love one another

Where is belief in Jesus anywhere in the Ten Commandments? Only Jesus can save us.

By keeping the commandments of the New Covenant, you can't break the old law as they are swallowed up in the higher standard of the New Covenant.

LOL! You do not see Jesus in the 10?---strange---seeing it was Jesus that wrote them! It is Jesus throughout the OT. It was Jesus at creation, it is Jesus still. And it is Jesus that said "On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets."

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Interesting.
Anathema is also mentioned in Revelation concerning the OC corrupt murderous Jewish rulers:
[SDAs should really study Revelation.......]

Acts 23:14
Who-any toward coming to the Chief-priests and to the Elders say
"to-anathema/anaqemati <331> we anathematize/ane-qematisamen <332> (5656) ourselves of no yet nothing to taste till of which we may be killing Paul.

Revelation 22:3
and every anathema/katana-qema <2652> not shall be still.
And the throne of the God and of the Lamb-kin in Her shall be, and His bond-servants shall be offering divine-service to Him.

History of God's Holy Bible and the so-called Jews
*snip*
....The Hebrew word translated "utterly destroy" is 'cherem.' Both the people and the land of Canaan were 'cherem,' meaning FORCIBLY dedicated to God as withdrawn from His service and worship wherein He was not glorified, and by the hands of another, devoted to Him for destruction whereby He will be glorified.
The equivalent Greek word is "anathema.".......
331. anathema an-ath'-em-ah from 394; a (religious) ban or (concretely) excommunicated (thing or person):--accused, anathema, curse, X great.
334. ana-thema an-ath'-ay-mah from 394 (like 331, but in a good sense); a votive offering:--gift.

 

[mmksparbud]

Paul would have been specific, if he meant what you are trying to reason he meant, he would not have left it open to misrepresentation. There is nothing concerning feast days in the verses surrounding rom 14:5
Anyway, if sda right concerning clean/unclean foods, in your view, did the leaders of the Christian church give gentiles a licence to sin? (Acts ch15)

The health message of the SDA is a separate issue. That is regarding health. The NT does not address much about it--except Paul said that we are to abstain from blood--which most ignore when ordering their steaks---that also is an inconvenience. And not as tasty.
Even JW's ignore that one when it comes to eating their steaks! They would rather die than get a blood transfusion, but think nothing of eating their steaks rare--or at best, med-rare.

1Co 10:31 Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God.

 

[stephen pollard]

The health message of the SDA is a separate issue. That is regarding health. The NT does not address much about it--except Paul said that we are to abstain from blood--which most ignore when ordering their steaks---that also is an inconvenience. And not as tasty.
Even JW's ignore that one when it comes to eating their steaks! They would rather die than get a blood transfusion, but think nothing of eating their steaks rare--or at best, med-rare.

1Co 10:31 Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God.

So SDA do not believe the law to avoid the Levitical unclean foods still applies?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

No?---just the whole entire bible!

That is good to know............

John 5:39
"Ye are searching the Writings that ye are seeming in them life age-during to be having,
and those are the ones-testifying about Me".
Matthew 23:33
"Serpents! produce of vipers!
how? ye may be fleeing from the judging of the geennhV <1067>
[Ezekiel 39:12/Reve 14:11]

2 Peter 3:16
As also/and in all the letters, speaking in them about these-things; in which are difficult to understand any which the unlearned and unsteadfast are wresting/twisting as also the rest of the Writings,
toward the own of them destruction/apwleian <684>. [form of # 684 used only in Revelation 17:8-11]

Lazarus and the Rich Man - Here a little, there a little - Commentary

Revelation 14:11
And the Smoke of the tormenting of Them is ascending into Ages to-Ages.......

 

[mmksparbud]

That is good to know............

John 5:39
"Ye are searching the Writings that ye are seeming in them life age-during to be having, and those are the ones-testifying about Me".
Matthew 23:33
"Serpents! produce of vipers!
how? ye may be fleeing from the judging of the geennhV <1067>
[Ezekiel 39:12/Reve 14:11]

2 Peter 3:16
As also/and in all the letters, speaking in them about these-things; in which are difficult to understand any which the unlearned and unsteadfast are wresting/twisting as also the rest of Writings, toward the own of them destruction/apwleian <684>. [# 684 used reve 17:8, 11]

Lazarus and the Rich Man - Here a little, there a little - Commentary

Revelation 14:11
And theSmoke of the tormenting of Them is ascending into Ages to-Ages.......

Yes-His word is being twisted and wrestled to the ground for the sake of convenience and preference. However, it is not to any SDA that anyone will ever answer to--we all answer to God for He alone knows the heart.

Got to go--my husky is alternately staring at me--and dancing. When those blue eyes stare at you, you have to obey. It's time for din-din---when these babies want attention---there is no denying them. And I am getting whiplash here--seems like 10 against 1.
And that is the smoke that goes for forever---like smoke going up forever into the sky.
Not because anything is burning forever.

 

[ToBeLoved]

Yes--and he was speaking to Jews who are coming into Christianity and they had a whole bunch of "sabbaths" that no longer needed to be kept--at least not the ones that pointed to Jesus. Those that did not do that were OK to keep--even today.

Paul said days, not Sabbbath.

No day is more important than another under the New Covenant

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

The health message of the SDA is a separate issue. That is regarding health.

That is good to hear.......
I do like J.O.'s songs...........

Joel Osteen claims the OT dietary laws are still binding in the NT.

BrightCandle said: ↑
Joel Osteen, the Evangelical Pastor of the largest Mega Church in North America, has exploded the popular Evangelical view that the dietary laws were done away with at the cross. He basically, takes the position that SDAs have had for over 100 years. You have to admire his courage for preaching this sermon in Houston, Texas, one of the most carnivorous cities in the North America.
YouTube - Joel Osteen on God's Food Laws

 

[mmksparbud]

Paul said days, not Sabbbath.

No day is more important than another under the New Covenant

I guess that is why we will still be observing the sabbath in the New Jerusalem?
Isa 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
Isa 66:23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Yes-His word is being twisted and wrestled to the ground for the sake of convenience and preference. However, it is not to any SDA that anyone will ever answer to--we all answer to God for He alone knows the heart.
And that is the smoke that goes for forever---like smoke going up forever into the sky.
Not because anything is burning forever.

The smoke of the great City of OC Jerusalem in 70ad is also going up forever and ever and it symbolizing the "gehenna/lake of fire with is also burning forever. [Link below]
What is the SDA take on Revel 14, 18 and 19?

2 Corinthians 6:17
wherefore come-forth out of midst of them[OC Judaism] and be being separated! is saying Lord............

Revelation 14:11
And the Smoke of the tormenting of Them is ascending into Ages to-Ages....... [Luke 16:24,26]

Revelation 18:4
And I heard another voice out of the heaven, saying, 'come forth out of Her[Judea/Jerusalem] My people,
that ye may not partake with Her sins, and that ye may not receive of Her plagues,

Revelation 19:3
And a second-time they have declared "allelouia and the Smoke of Her is ascending into the Ages of the Ages".

Is the GREAT CITY in Revelation symbolizing the LAKE OF FIRE?

Ezekiel 22:
17 Then the word of Yahweh came to me, saying, 18 “Son of adam!
the House of Israel has become dross to Me.
All of them are copper, tin, iron, and lead inside the furnace; they are but the dross of silver.

19 Therefore this is what my Lord Yahweh says:
‘Because all of you have become dross, behold! I will gather you into Jerusalem.
20 Just as one gathers silver, copper, iron, lead, and tin into the furnace to melt with a fiery blast,
so I will gather you in My anger and wrath, leave you there, and melt you.

Luke 21:23
"Woe to the ones in belly having and the ones suckling in those the Days!
For shall be great distress/necessity<318>(anagkē) upon the Land and wrath upon this people.

Revelation 18:8
by this, in one day shall be arriving the blows of Her, death and sorrow and famine;
and in fire She shall be being burned, that strong Lord, the God, the one judging Her

 

[Daisybell]

Hi Family,

What is SDA?

What is their doctrine?

Is it different than non-denom beliefs?

~Natsumi Lam~

 

[mmksparbud]

That is good to hear.......
I do like J.O.'s songs...........

Joel Osteen claims the OT dietary laws are still binding in the NT.

I do not follow J.O.--but there have been too many research studies done on health and long living by nonSDAs that prove our way of life is healthier to ignore.

Exo 15:26 And said, If thou wilt diligently hearken to the voice of the LORD thy God, and wilt do that which is right in his sight, and wilt give ear to his commandments, and keep all his statutes, I will put none of these diseases upon thee, which I have brought upon the Egyptians: for I am the LORD that healeth thee.
1Co 10:31 Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God.
We want to do whatever we want abut food, but then blame God for our diseases. There are nonSDA who live long lives---there are SDA's that live short ones---it is not about individual instances, but about the whole.