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bekkilyn

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No they didn't. The old covenant seventh day sabbath is still Saturday.

The commandment Sabbath is still Saturday--and they admit that--what they changed is the solemnity of it to Sunday. They made the day of Sunday the day to worship--legally--Constantine did that---to worship on the "venerable day of the sun"--no work on that day. Only ones allowed to work were farmers`.


Has nothing to do with choice--I don't care which day it is--God does, and He said which day---just as He said which fruit. He is the Creator God, He decides---we don't.



No, I am nit misunderstanding. I know why they set Sunday aside. And if Christians want to have a day to celebrate His resurrection, there is nothing wrong with that. The problem lies when you keep a day Holy instead of the day God specifically set aside for that purpose. And Jesus never once said--nor did His disciples say-"we will now celebrate the resurrection of Jesus instead of the Sabbath"---never once.
Again--the New covenant does not set aside any of the 10--it only decided where to write them! And once again--no we can not observe every day as a Sabbath for God said we are to work 6 days a week-the 7th is His day--not our day--though it is for our benefit--as everything God does for us is for our benefit.
 
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So are we--if there was a law that said we are to observe Saturday, we would be against it. Observance of God's way of life is one of choice, and love, not force.
 
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Old covenant gone. All the jots and tittles of old heaven and earth have passed. Jesus did say this.
The sabbath does still exist though...in HIM.

Last time I looked--heaven and earth are still here---did I miss something?? Looks like same old heaven and earth to me.


It has alr34ady happened. Not exactly a secret. Several Protestant churches have gone back under the rule of the Papacy and the UK and some here. You can look those up yourself. Time will tell.
 
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Who says we are doing that? We are only saying what is to be. What is to happen, will happen, and already is starting.
 
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Constantine made the law for a Sunday because the majority of Christians were *already* worshiping on Sunday. It wasn't like they were all worshiping on Saturday and he just randomly decided for Sunday. He made it the day they were already worshiping because he wanted to show Christians he supported them. It doesn't mean that he changed the sabbath...he was giving them time to worship on a day that they were already worshiping.

The reason SDA are so insistent he "changed the sabbath" is because the little horn in Daniel changing the times and days would be all screwed up, so we have to make sure that the prophetic interpretation remains intact regardless of whether or not it is actually true.

Has nothing to do with choice--I don't care which day it is--God does, and He said which day---just as He said which fruit. He is the Creator God, He decides---we don't.

Of course he decides, but he can also decide who he tells to do something without us being presumptuous to think that everything he says to someone else also applies directly to us too.


God didn't make any commands one way or another as to which days they set aside for worship or for holy days. Gentiles were never required to practice any holy days, unless you might consider a day you observe communion to be a holy day, since Jesus specifically said to do that in remembrance of him. He didn't insist it be done on any particular day of the week though. If we choose to worship God on any given day, then that's simply what we are doing. Worshiping God.
 
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Last time I looked--heaven and earth are still here---did I miss something?? Looks like same old heaven and earth to me.

Well as the new heavens and earth pertain to new Jerusalem, so the old heavens and earth pertain to old Jerusalem (or simply the Jerusalem that existed in Jesus' day).

It has alr34ady happened. Not exactly a secret. Several Protestant churches have gone back under the rule of the Papacy and the UK and some here. You can look those up yourself. Time will tell.

Someone at an SDA bible study that I went to a while ago claimed this same thing and then when I went and looked up the organization that was involved, none of the churches that attended whatever meeting it was had changed their individual doctrines and there wasn't anything binding on any of them. It was basically just some agreement to be nice to one another and try to work together as Christians.
 
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Who says we are doing that? We are only saying what is to be. What is to happen, will happen, and already is starting.

You're saying what you think is to be. It's your own interpretation of biblical prophecy, and practically everyone who has a theory on how the world will end, Christ's second coming, etc. believe that theirs is the true one. I would be willing to bet none of them are 100% accurate and the only thing we really know is that Jesus will come again.
 
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Not exactly---When the work of Jesus as our High Priest is over--then He will say
Rev 21:6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
Rev 22:11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

It is that the decisions by all, and judgements for all, have been made--it is the end of deciding. He who is lost--remains lost--He who is saved--remains saved. Time is up. He comes now.
Mat_25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
Rev_8:1 And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.

Ever wonder why there is silence is heaven?--Because no one's home!! They are all on their way here and will go back with us. Going by a day for a year in bible prophecy---that ends up being about a week--round trip!
 
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Exactly.
 
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It says right there in the verse, plain as day, "If you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the Law."

Of course not. If you are led by the spirit you will not disobey what God says--don't go over the speed limit--you won't get pulled over by the cops--the spirit will lead you to stay with in the speed limit!
 
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Truth is truth, no matter how God chooses to deliver it!
But God, under the new covenant does not deliver truth concerning law to follow through reading what is written in ink, but through what is written on your heart by the Spirit of the living God. You must be missing out on something, according to what is written in scripture
 
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For I am about to create new heavens
and a new earth;

the former things shall not be remembered
or come to mind.
18 But be glad and rejoice forever
in what I am creating;
for I am about to create Jerusalem as a joy,
and its people as a delight. (Isaiah 65:17-18)
 
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The old covenant was kept outside the Ark, the 10 were the only ones kept inside the Ark---which represents the throne of God. Very simple.
Details concerning the old covenant are not needed concerning law in regard to the new covenant, the law is in your heart and mind.
 
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Wrong--it was because the majority of the pagans were doing so and this was a way to bring them in and to differentiate from the Jews completely. Christians and Jews were worshipping on Saturday. That is the truth.
 
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As I keep saying--so far so good-time will tell!
 
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Of course not. If you are led by the spirit you will not disobey what God says--don't go over the speed limit--you won't get pulled over by the cops--the spirit will lead you to stay with in the speed limit!

The purpose of the Spirit is NOT so that we can become better lawkeepers. Read those verses again. We are not under the law.
 
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No--the agreement is they go as they are for now--but that they are under the covering of the Papacy, whatever thst means!(that's the fine print nobody reads!)
 
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I accept as Christians people who have to read law written in ink, in order to know what the law is they believe they should follow, though it is not a law written in ink for the believer under the new covenant. I'm easy going too.
I disagree with your understanding though
Through the law we may or may not become conscious of sin. That is not written in the bible.
As I said previously, catholics woud disagree with your views concerning them praying to the dead and worshipping statues, why not discuss it with them
 
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