SDA view on Isaiah 66:17

[djconklin]

Are you similarly suggesting that Leviticus 20:7Sanctify yourselves therefore, and be ye holy: for I am the LORD your God.was a call to self-righteousness?

Since that was preceded by
Exodus 31:13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.

It is obvious that the text you cited is a statement of what's one goal in life should be and how to go about it. Whereas, the one in Isa is about those who try to do it on their own (and they prove that is what they are doing by their actions).

 

[djconklin]

Thank you!

 

[sentipente]

Are you kidding? If you are presenting a text in Exodus as legitimately "preceding" for purposes of context a passage in Leviticus, tell my why the same passage cannot be viewed as "preceding" the one in Isaiah. The Bible is problematic enough on its own without us misusing it.

 

[mva1985]

Are you kidding? If you are presenting a text in Exodus as legitimately "preceding" for purposes of context a passage in Leviticus, tell my why the same passage cannot be viewed as "preceding" the one in Isaiah. The Bible is problematic enough on its own without us misusing it.

The Bible is problematic enough on its own?

 

[sentipente]

The Bible is problematic enough on its own?

If you have read the book itself you would not ask that question.

 

[sentipente]

The Bible is problematic enough on its own?

Do you think that the reason why we have 9000 denominations (by some estimates) all citing the Bible as their authority is because the Book has no inherent problems?

 

[mva1985]

Do you think that the reason why we have 9000 denominations (by some estimates) all citing the Bible as their authority is because the Book has no inherent problems?

I believe that the Bible is God-breathed. I would not call it problematic just because I did not understand something in it. It would just mean that I needed to do more studying and praying.

 

[sentipente]

I believe that the Bible is God-breathed.

I know that all knowledge is God-breathed.

 

[mva1985]

If you have read the book itself you would not ask that question.

Ps. 19:7

James 1:5

 

[sentipente]

[bible]Ps. 19:7[/bible]

[bible]James 1:5[/bible]

 

[mva1985]

Ps. 19:7 - the one about making wise the simple.

 

[sentipente]

These texts don't negate what I said. You have a flawed approach to the Bible. You try to find in the Bible texts that support what you believe the Bible teaches.

 

[mva1985]

You said that the Bible is problematic enough....

God apparently thinks that His word will make wise the simple and you can always ask Him for wisdom as shown in James.

Pretty simple.

 

[sentipente]

You said that the Bible is problematic enough....

God apparently thinks that His word will make wise the simple and you can always ask Him for wisdom as shown in James.

As far as I can tell the Word of God has been existence long before man learned to write, much less write books.

 

[djconklin]

As far as I can tell the Word of God has been existence long before man learned to write, much less write books.

Somewhat true, the book of Genesis was handed down orally for thousands of years before it was written. And the pericope about the women taken in adultery was handed down for a couple of centuries before it was finally written down.

 

[djconklin]

The Bible is problematic enough on its own without us misusing it.

Assumes facts not in evidence on two counts.

 

[maco]

Let's read the companion verses to get a clearer picture.

Isaiah 65:2-4 I have stretched out My hands all day long to a rebellious people, who walk in a way that is not good, according to their own thoughts; a people who provoke Me to anger continually to My face; who sacrifice in gardens, and burn incense on altars of brick; Who sit among the graves, and spend the night in the tombs; who eat swine's flesh, and the broth of abominable things is in their vessels;

The fact that these rebellious people were sacrificing and burning incense tells me this was before Christ who did away with the sacrifice. These people of OT times understood that there would come a day when the destruction of the wicked would take place.

In our time, wickedness consists not of food or drink, but rather, of what comes out of the heart. In OT times wickedness consisted of things such as eating unclean foods, mixing threads or seeds and so on.

The fate of these wicked people who did these things back then is the same fate of wicked people today who commit adultery and murder from the heart. Both these unrighteous groups will be burned at the same time in the judgment.

So yes, those who ate swine's flesh back then under that law will face the same fate of the wicked today under the law of libery.

 

[NightEternal]

Well, here is my understanding:

Apostate Jews were combining paganism with the worship of God. Even in doing this, they fooled themselves into thinking that such practices made them holy, or sanctified. The consecration and purification ceremonies described here are distinctly heathen practices. Such vile ceremonies were almost always practiced in gardens and groves, much like many Masonic rituals which are practiced today (hello Skull And Bones secret societies, I'm talking about you.) The tree is in reference to the fact that the pagans used tree worship in thier rites. These apostate Jews, who knew better, were openly defying Gods Levitical instructions to avoid consuming unclean animals. They were freely indulging in the throwing off of all thier prior restraints and were deluded enough to believe they were being sanctified by the very thing God had explicitly told them would nullify any favor He might show them.

 

[sentipente]

Assumes facts not in evidence on two counts.

You look very good in my rearview mirror. Keep following me around the forum.

 

[NightEternal]

The writings of Josephus are a wonderful resource when studying these sorts of issues in Israelite history. I don't know what I would do without his essential works in my office library.