SDA denomination predicts weakening of first amendment in the future

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Presumably almost all denominations , monotheistic groups are doing that - but not using the state to hold a gun to everyone else's head to force them to comply with the worship practice of any one group on any specific day.

You might be surprised to learn that all Islamic countries most assuredly mandate the day of the week for the weekly prayers, as well as the times for the calls to prayer five times each and every day. There is no concept of freedom of religion.
 
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You might be surprised to learn that all Islamic countries most assuredly mandate the day of the week for the weekly prayers, as well as the times for the calls to prayer five times each and every day. There is no concept of freedom of religion.

Agreed they are stuck in the dark ages on that point.
 
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Understood - that is the "pressure" (or at least some part of the pressure) that one might expect to favor the government stepping in and carving out a no-work-day. But event that "should not" go so far as to also demand that people work on the Bible Sabbath and not just limit itself to no-work-on-Sunday.

However if you look at some countries in the EU that are facing stringent economic measures - they actually demand a 6 day work week - so given Sunday as a day off - they are pretty close to saying people must work on the Bible Sabbath or they are not good patriotic citizens.

Indeed BobRyan, a united Europe might well establish a Sunday "blue" law. Below is an excerpt from my second book:

The Catholic Church had been divested of much of its power in the last few decades. The problems of abortion, birth control, celibacy, divorce, homosexuality, women priests, political activism of priests, and distribution of ecclesiastical power had plagued the Church. The upper echelons of the Vatican worried about the Church’s future. Meanwhile, Europe had had limited success on the political front; the power of the EEC was not going as planned. The surrender of national sovereignty had been minimal, thus limiting the EEC. Seeing this going on, the Catholic Church got involved in the political unification effort in Europe. As in the past, Europeans saw religion and politics were interdependent. They envisioned a reconstruction of the old Holy Roman Empire with the influence of the Catholic Church. Since the end of World War II, the popes had called for settling political differences through faith, with their Church at the center. The most powerful statement came from Pope Paul VI on October 18, 1975. He was addressing the Third Symposium of Bishops of Europe in Rome. Present were more than 100 bishops, cardinals, and prelates from 24 different European countries. He stated. “Can it not be said that it is faith, the Christian faith, the Catholic faith that made Europe…?” And he continued. “And it is there that our mission as bishops in Europe can render the service that is confided to us, promoters of the faith, to reawaken Europe’s Christian soul, where unity is rooted.”

Pope Paul VI also called the Catholic faith “the secret to Europe’s identity.” Pope John Paul II had often stated he had a literal calling from God for unifying Europe.

Political leaders had also echoed the same sentiment: Dr. Otto van Habsburg, the eldest son of the last Austro-Hungarian Emperor, has stated he saw a relation of the Holy Roman Empire and his view of the coming “United States of Europe.” Dr. Habsburg saw a strong religious role for any future united Europe. He advocated that the Roman Catholic Church should be central to that theme. He stated. “The cross doesn’t need Europe, but Europe needs the cross.” Other political figures had expressed the same sentiment. It seemed inevitable that any united Europe would include some participation of the Roman Catholic Church. The coming Renovatio imperii Romanorum, restoration of the Roman Empire, would astound the world!

Europe, along with the Church of Rome, will be powers to reckon with. This will be the seventh head spoken of by Daniel, the prophet. [end excerpt]
 
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Indeed BobRyan, a united Europe might well establish a Sunday "blue" law. Below is an excerpt from my second book:

The Catholic Church had been divested of much of its power in the last few decades. The problems of abortion, birth control, celibacy, divorce, homosexuality, women priests, political activism of priests, and distribution of ecclesiastical power had plagued the Church. The upper echelons of the Vatican worried about the Church’s future. Meanwhile, Europe had had limited success on the political front; the power of the EEC was not going as planned. The surrender of national sovereignty had been minimal, thus limiting the EEC. Seeing this going on, the Catholic Church got involved in the political unification effort in Europe. As in the past, Europeans saw religion and politics were interdependent. They envisioned a reconstruction of the old Holy Roman Empire with the influence of the Catholic Church. Since the end of World War II, the popes had called for settling political differences through faith, with their Church at the center. The most powerful statement came from Pope Paul VI on October 18, 1975. He was addressing the Third Symposium of Bishops of Europe in Rome. Present were more than 100 bishops, cardinals, and prelates from 24 different European countries. He stated. “Can it not be said that it is faith, the Christian faith, the Catholic faith that made Europe…?” And he continued. “And it is there that our mission as bishops in Europe can render the service that is confided to us, promoters of the faith, to reawaken Europe’s Christian soul, where unity is rooted.”

Pope Paul VI also called the Catholic faith “the secret to Europe’s identity.” Pope John Paul II had often stated he had a literal calling from God for unifying Europe.

Political leaders had also echoed the same sentiment: Dr. Otto van Habsburg, the eldest son of the last Austro-Hungarian Emperor, has stated he saw a relation of the Holy Roman Empire and his view of the coming “United States of Europe.” Dr. Habsburg saw a strong religious role for any future united Europe. He advocated that the Roman Catholic Church should be central to that theme. He stated. “The cross doesn’t need Europe, but Europe needs the cross.” Other political figures had expressed the same sentiment. It seemed inevitable that any united Europe would include some participation of the Roman Catholic Church. The coming Renovatio imperii Romanorum, restoration of the Roman Empire, would astound the world!

Europe, along with the Church of Rome, will be powers to reckon with. This will be the seventh head spoken of by Daniel, the prophet. [end excerpt]

Rome will play a key role in what was called "the Old World" in the near future - no doubt about that.
 
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I agree. It is, but not in the direction the SDA thinks it is going.
wait for the backlash. look at 2013 and the selection of the Supreme Court Judges. The senate changed from 2/3 to confirm to 1/2 to confirm, they got 1 judge in. that gave the conservatives the ability to get 3 nomination and swing the courts conservative. Democrat stupidity will open the door for the conservatives to come in and do the same.
 
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wait for the backlash. look at 2013 and the selection of the Supreme Court Judges. The senate changed from 2/3 to confirm to 1/2 to confirm, they got 1 judge in. that gave the conservatives the ability to get 3 nomination and swing the courts conservative. Democrat stupidity will open the door for the conservatives to come in and do the same.

I agree entirely.
 
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I agree. It is, but not in the direction the SDA thinks it is going.

The censorship of religious speech and thought is already underway - this is what SDAs have been predicting only SDA prediction describes a future for this at a much more pronounced level.
 
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Indeed BobRyan, a united Europe might well establish a Sunday "blue" law. Below is an excerpt from my second book:

The Catholic Church had been divested of much of its power in the last few decades. The problems of abortion, birth control, celibacy, divorce, homosexuality, women priests, political activism of priests, and distribution of ecclesiastical power had plagued the Church. The upper echelons of the Vatican worried about the Church’s future. Meanwhile, Europe had had limited success on the political front; the power of the EEC was not going as planned. The surrender of national sovereignty had been minimal, thus limiting the EEC. Seeing this going on, the Catholic Church got involved in the political unification effort in Europe. As in the past, Europeans saw religion and politics were interdependent. They envisioned a reconstruction of the old Holy Roman Empire with the influence of the Catholic Church. Since the end of World War II, the popes had called for settling political differences through faith, with their Church at the center. The most powerful statement came from Pope Paul VI on October 18, 1975. He was addressing the Third Symposium of Bishops of Europe in Rome. Present were more than 100 bishops, cardinals, and prelates from 24 different European countries. He stated. “Can it not be said that it is faith, the Christian faith, the Catholic faith that made Europe…?” And he continued. “And it is there that our mission as bishops in Europe can render the service that is confided to us, promoters of the faith, to reawaken Europe’s Christian soul, where unity is rooted.”

Pope Paul VI also called the Catholic faith “the secret to Europe’s identity.” Pope John Paul II had often stated he had a literal calling from God for unifying Europe.

Political leaders had also echoed the same sentiment: Dr. Otto van Habsburg, the eldest son of the last Austro-Hungarian Emperor, has stated he saw a relation of the Holy Roman Empire and his view of the coming “United States of Europe.” Dr. Habsburg saw a strong religious role for any future united Europe. He advocated that the Roman Catholic Church should be central to that theme. He stated. “The cross doesn’t need Europe, but Europe needs the cross.” Other political figures had expressed the same sentiment. It seemed inevitable that any united Europe would include some participation of the Roman Catholic Church. The coming Renovatio imperii Romanorum, restoration of the Roman Empire, would astound the world!

Europe, along with the Church of Rome, will be powers to reckon with. This will be the seventh head spoken of by Daniel, the prophet. [end excerpt]

Interesting. Thanks for sharing that
 
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The censorship of religious speech and thought is already underway - this is what SDAs have been predicting only SDA prediction describes a future for this at a much more pronounced level.

However, there is not the slightest inkling that anybody is seriously entertaining the thought of forcing anybody to worship on the first day of the week, Sunday.
 
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Interesting. I think you can find individuals who advocate for any number of things without any real prospect of actually implementing their issue. For example, there are those who seriously advocate for the right of individuals in the United States to own every form of weaponry, even tanks and missiles. These folks send their opponents ballistic, if you will pardon my pun.

Another classic issue is abortion. Even in an extremely Catholic country such as Ireland, abortion is legal, despite the complete opposition of the Catholic Church, as is, for that matter, all manner of birth control.
 
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