scriptures ignored by Trinitarians.

[2ducklow]

Isa. 9:6
For unto us a child is born , to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders , And he will be called Wonderful Counselor,Mighty Go, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace,.

so Jesus name shall be called the everlasting father, and therefore he is the father, according to your interpretation. Uh that's oneness doctrine. so you believe Jesus is his own daddy. well I don't. And you have a bad translation it leaves out the word name which is shem in hebrew.

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name (shem)shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

[SIZE=+1]~X [/SIZE]Shem (shame); Noun Masculine, Strong #: 8034

1. name
   1. name
   2. reputation, fame, glory
   3. the Name (as designation of God)
   4. memorial, monument

KJV Word Usage and Countname 832 renown 7 fame 4 famous 3 named 3 named 2 famous 1 infamous 1 report 1 miscellaneous 10

so what you have is a translation that changed the word of god to conform to your doctrine. typical. the word says his name shall be called so your translator changes it to 'he shall be called." no biggie huh?

 

[Zebra1552]

so you are saying the greek word means full representation of not true.

I'm saying it does in this instance because of the context. Context determines meaning, not just the word being used. One Greek word can have several English translations/meanings, and vice versa.

So the greek word alethnos is translated true 27 times in the NT and you say they are all wrong it should be 'full representation of."

Not unless in all 27 times it's used the context is the same!

who besides you says alethnos means 'full represention of."? and how come nobody translates like what you made it up to mean?

Nobody you've met, you mean. Just because you don't agree with it and don't understand why doesn't mean it's not a valid argument. Research it.

 

[2ducklow]

I'm saying it does in this instance because of the context. Context determines meaning, not just the word being used. One Greek word can have several English translations/meanings, and vice versa.

Not unless in all 27 times it's used the context is the same!

Nobody you've met, you mean. Just because you don't agree with it and don't understand why doesn't mean it's not a valid argument. Research it.

it is only used 27 times in the NT,, and in every instance it is translated true. Alethnos means true. No bible translates it to mean 'full representation of' because it doesn't mean full representation of.

you make up your own definitions of words. you can't find one bible anywhere that translates john 17.3 "only full representation of god."

they all without exception translate alethnos as true. full representation of it's your own completely fabricated definition. Everyone but you knows john 17.3 says 'thee , the only true god."

You haven't provide one source saying alethnos meaning 'full representation of.'' I gave you strongs and a couple translations. I could give you hundreds of translations all translating it as true. Your fantasy definitions make it impossible to discuss anything with you.

according to you Jesus prayed "and this is life eternal that they might know thee the only full representation of God, and ...."
So God the Father is a full representation of god according to you. That would mean he isn't even god but just a representation of god,, and that Jesus was praying to a representation of God and not praying to god throughout his ministry. your definition of alethnos is ridiculous

 

[redcliffesalvo]

Jesus Is God

We understand that many people agree that God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit exist. (We are sure that God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are relieved to hear that!

) These same people may even agree that God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are “working together.” However, the followers of several cults are taught that Jesus is “just a prophet,” or “only the son of God”—not God. This wrong viewpoint is easily clarified by looking at two Bible verses: Isaiah 9:6, and Isaiah 43:12 (below).

1. Isaiah 9:6
   For unto us a Child is born,
   Unto us a Son is given;
   And the government will be upon His shoulder.
   And His name will be called
   Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God [0410],
   Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
   Isaiah 43:12
   I have declared and saved,
   I have proclaimed,
   And there was no foreign god among you;
   Therefore you are My witnesses,”
   Says the LORD [03068], “that I am God [0410].”

Notice the numbers in brackets that we placed in the text. Those numbers indicate the “Strong’s Numbers” of those particular words. Strong’s Numbers are index numbers in a document called a “Strong’s Concordance” that allow someone who only reads English to understand what the Bible’s original Hebrew words are. For example, the number [03068] refers to the Hebrew word YHWH. This word is usually written in English as LORD, Jehovah, or (phonetically) Y@hovah. Similarly, the number [0410] refers to the Hebrew word ‘el, which is normally written in English as God.
It has been thoroughly proven that Isaiah 9:6 is a Messianic Prophecy referring to Jesus Christ. Notice how Isaiah 43:12 clearly shows that God (YHWH) refers to himself as God (‘El)—the exact same term (‘El) used to refer to Jesus. There are numerous other examples, but we will not belabor the point. It is obvious that God and Jesus are both God.

 

[2ducklow]

Jesus Is God



We understand that many people agree that God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit exist. (We are sure that God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are relieved to hear that!

) These same people may even agree that God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are “working together.” However, the followers of several cults are taught that Jesus is “just a prophet,” or “only the son of God”—not God. This wrong viewpoint is easily clarified by looking at two Bible verses: Isaiah 9:6, and Isaiah 43:12 (below).

1. Isaiah 9:6
   For unto us a Child is born,
   Unto us a Son is given;
   And the government will be upon His shoulder.
   And His name will be called
   Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God [0410],
   Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
   Isaiah 43:12
   I have declared and saved,
   I have proclaimed,
   And there was no foreign god among you;
   Therefore you are My witnesses,”
   Says the LORD [03068], “that I am God [0410].”

Notice the numbers in brackets that we placed in the text. Those numbers indicate the “Strong’s Numbers” of those particular words. Strong’s Numbers are index numbers in a document called a “Strong’s Concordance” that allow someone who only reads English to understand what the Bible’s original Hebrew words are. For example, the number [03068] refers to the Hebrew word YHWH. This word is usually written in English as LORD, Jehovah, or (phonetically) Y@hovah. Similarly, the number [0410] refers to the Hebrew word ‘el, which is normally written in English as God.
It has been thoroughly proven that Isaiah 9:6 is a Messianic Prophecy referring to Jesus Christ. Notice how Isaiah 43:12 clearly shows that God (YHWH) refers to himself as God (‘El)—the exact same term (‘El) used to refer to Jesus. There are numerous other examples, but we will not belabor the point. It is obvious that God and Jesus are both God.

why do you post in here, you refuse to respond to anything anyone says. nobody reads your posts cause you wont or can't defend what you say against any rebutal. What you think we come in here just to read what you say? lol..

 

[christianmomof3]

John 20:31 but these are written, that ye may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye may have life in his name.

so much of the book of John is used by trinitarians to prove that Jesus is god, yet John says he wrote the book to prove that Jesus is the son of god and the christ.

Jesus is God, He is the Son of God and He is the Christ.
He is All.

John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

Seldom do trinitarians deal with the fact that Jesus and the father are one the same way we the church are one, because it destroys their belief that "I and my father are one" means Jesus and the father are god.

John 17:21 That they all may be one; even as You, Father, are in Me and I in You, that they also may be in Us; that the world may believe that You have sent Me.
22 And the glory which You have given Me I have given to them, that they may be one, even as We are one;
23 I in them, and You in Me, that they may be perfected into one, that the world may know that You have sent Me and have loved them even as You have loved Me.

I do not see this as destroying the belief that Jesus and the Father are God. They are One and when we are born again, we are one with Him because He indwells us.

 

[wlajoie74]

Jesus is God, He is the Son of God and He is the Christ.
He is All.


John 17:21 That they all may be one; even as You, Father, are in Me and I in You, that they also may be in Us; that the world may believe that You have sent Me.
22 And the glory which You have given Me I have given to them, that they may be one, even as We are one;
23 I in them, and You in Me, that they may be perfected into one, that the world may know that You have sent Me and have loved them even as You have loved Me.

I do not see this as destroying the belief that Jesus and the Father are God. They are One and when we are born again, we are one with Him because He indwells us.

Sweet so I am God then. I knew it. You trinis never cease to amaze me.

 

[Zebra1552]

it is only used 27 times in the NT,, and in every instance it is translated true. Alethnos means true. No bible translates it to mean 'full representation of' because it doesn't mean full representation of.

Deny Thayer's all you like, that does not change what was written about the word and how the word is being used in that context.

you make up your own definitions of words. you can't find one bible anywhere that translates john 17.3 "only full representation of god."

Yes I can, but neither one of us reads Hebrew so it won't do any good.

they all without exception translate alethnos as true. full representation of it's your own completely fabricated definition. Everyone but you knows john 17.3 says 'thee , the only true god."

Make false accusations about what I've stated all you like, it all comes back to the original language, not what I'm saying.

You haven't provide one source saying alethnos meaning 'full representation of.'' I gave you strongs and a couple translations. I could give you hundreds of translations all translating it as true. Your fantasy definitions make it impossible to discuss anything with you.

I don't give a rip about Strong's because it's outdated and is only a lexicon, not a thesaurus of definitions, and I gave you Thayer's, which is not a lexicon and is a thesaurus. Is that not good enough for you?

First of all, that's not saying that the Father is the only true God. More accurately (see here, then here and here), it's saying that the Father is the only full representation of God.

Are you incapable of following links?

1. [FONT=Arial, Helvetica]
   [*] that which has not only the name and resemblance, but the real nature corresponding to the name, in every respect corresponding to the idea signified by the name, real, true genuine
   
   1. opposite to what is fictitious, counterfeit, imaginary, simulated or pretended
   2. it contrasts realities with their semblances
   3. opposite to what is imperfect defective, frail, uncertain
   
   [*] true, veracious, sincere[/FONT]

That's from your second link. Full representation fits 1 very well, see below.

according to you Jesus prayed "and this is life eternal that they might know thee the only full representation of God, and ...."

And your point?

So God the Father is a full representation of god according to you. That would mean he isn't even god but just a representation of god,, and that Jesus was praying to a representation of God and not praying to god throughout his ministry. your definition of alethnos is ridiculous

What the flip do you think full representation means? That He's not God? Go read the dictionary! Full representation means, if you bothered to look at the link, that He has EVERY aspect of God, that He is the ENTIRETY of what it means to be God, thus the 'full representation of God'. You're arguing nothing but semantics, and I'm getting quite sick of it. If you wish to discuss this further, then you will come up with reasons rather than excuses, and you will address all of my points (see below) rather than just the ones you think you can win.

1- The Bible cannot contradict itself, lest it be unreliable and untrustworthy.
2- Because the Bible cannot contradict itself, you cannot have passages in the Bible that are interpreted in a way that contradict.
3- If you are willing to accept points 1 and 2, then you need to do something with the verses that say Jesus thought He was God rather than just dismiss them.

 

[christianmomof3]

Sweet so I am God then. I knew it. You trinis never cease to amaze me.

If you are born again, then God dwells in your human spirit. As you pray, read the Bible, fellowship with other Christians and give yourself completely to Him, He grows in you and transforms you into His image. He spreads from your human spirit to your soul. That does not make you God though, but rather a member of His Body. When He returns, even our bodies will be glorified, but we, the built up members of His Body are not ever the Head, but merely the Body.

 

[2ducklow]

Jesus is God, He is the Son of God and He is the Christ.
He is All.


John 17:21 That they all may be one; even as You, Father, are in Me and I in You, that they also may be in Us; that the world may believe that You have sent Me.
22 And the glory which You have given Me I have given to them, that they may be one, even as We are one;
23 I in them, and You in Me, that they may be perfected into one, that the world may know that You have sent Me and have loved them even as You have loved Me.

I do not see this as destroying the belief that Jesus and the Father are God. They are One and when we are born again, we are one with Him because He indwells us.

IT destroys the belief that Jesus saying he and his Father are one means that Jesus is God because according to this verse Jesus and the Father are one the same way that the church is suppose to be one. IN other words if "I and my Father are one" means both Jesus and the father are one god, one being, then the church is one man one being, it would mean that you and I are one person, literally because we are one THE SAME WAY, EVEN AS the Father and the son. so the meaning cannot be that Jesus is god.

 

[2ducklow]

Deny Thayer's all you like, that does not change what was written about the word and how the word is being used in that context.


Yes I can, but neither one of us reads Hebrew so it won't do any good.

Make false accusations about what I've stated all you like, it all comes back to the original language, not what I'm saying.


I don't give a rip about Strong's because it's outdated and is only a lexicon, not a thesaurus of definitions, and I gave you Thayer's, which is not a lexicon and is a thesaurus. Is that not good enough for you?

First of all, that's not saying that the Father is the only true God. More accurately (see here, then here and here), it's saying that the Father is the only full representation of God.

Are you incapable of following links?

1. [FONT=Arial, Helvetica]
   [*]that which has not only the name and resemblance, but the real nature corresponding to the name, in every respect corresponding to the idea signified by the name, real, true genuine
   1. opposite to what is fictitious, counterfeit, imaginary, simulated or pretended
   2. it contrasts realities with their semblances
   3. opposite to what is imperfect defective, frail, uncertain
   [*]true, veracious, sincere[/FONT]

That's from your second link. Full representation fits 1 very well, see below.
And your point?

Please show me even one bible that translates john 17.3 as "and this is life eternal that they might know thee the only full representation of god."'"

What the flip do you think full representation means? That He's not God? Go read the dictionary!

So like monoply money represents real money so it's real money. Wow i"m rich. so like if i counterfiet 100 dollar bills all i gotta say to the feds is "hey look guys these bills represent reall 100 dollar bills, so they are real." I'm sure the FBI will say "oh yea right i forgot you're free to go, can i have some of those representative 100 dollar bills ?"

sorry but that's not what would happen. What would happen is this they would drag me off to jail in spite of my saying "but 10,000 trinitarian scholars say represent means is>" your sholars need to go back to the first grade on this issue.

you guys have your very own totally nonsensical vocabulary,.

This is typical trinitarian misuse of language, it goes along quite well with a multitude of othertrinitaian misuses of language. such as saying God is a nature and Jesus is a nature. oh brother. Monoply money fully represents real money and it isn't real money, If god the father fully represents god, then he isn't god. use words to mean what they mean not your fantasy nonsensical definitions of words. It is impossible to talk to trinitarians because you have changed the meaning of so many words, such as represent here.

Full representation means, if you bothered to look at the link, that He has EVERY aspect of God, that He is the ENTIRETY of what it means to be God,

reperesent doesn't mean is, just cause a scholar says so don't make it so. you don't have to be a scholar to understand the meaning of represent. your scholar is wrong, and you are wrong. Both of you have temporarily lost the meaning of a simple word like represent. outside of a religous context, both of you fully know what the meaning of the word represent means. you continue to use words to mean something other than what they mean, represent doesn't mean is, and i don't care if you get 10,000 scholars, such as this guy , all saying represent means is, it don't.

thus the 'full representation of God'. You're arguing nothing but semantics, and I'm getting quite sick of it. If you wish to discuss this further, then you will come up with reasons rather than excuses, and you will address all of my points (see below) rather than just the ones you think you can win.

I know what represent means and it don't mean 'is'.

1- The Bible cannot contradict itself, lest it be unreliable and untrustworthy.
2- Because the Bible cannot contradict itself, you cannot have passages in the Bible that are interpreted in a way that contradict.
3- If you are willing to accept points 1 and 2, then you need to do something with the verses that say Jesus thought He was God rather than just dismiss them.[/quote] i think we should terminate this conversation till you learn the meaning of simple words like represent, and nature, and person etc.

 

[Zebra1552]

Please show me even one bible that translates john 17.3 as "and this is life eternal that they might know thee the only full representation of god."'"

Show me a reliable source that disagrees with what I'm saying.

So like monoply money represents real money so it's real money. Wow i"m rich. so like if i counterfiet 100 dollar bills all i gotta say to the feds is "hey look guys these bills represent reall 100 dollar bills, so they are real." I'm sure the FBI will say "oh yea right i forgot you're free to go, can i have some of those representative 100 dollar bills ?"

False analogy, it doesn't fit what I'm saying.

sorry but that's not what would happen. What would happen is this they would drag me off to jail in spite of my saying "but 10,000 trinitarian scholars say represent means is>" your sholars need to go back to the first grade on this issue.

And you need to stop making this so personal.

you guys have your very own totally nonsensical vocabulary,.

Ad hominem.

This is typical trinitarian misuse of language, it goes along quite well with a multitude of othertrinitaian misuses of language. such as saying God is a nature and Jesus is a nature. oh brother. Monoply money fully represents real money and it isn't real money, If god the father fully represents god, then he isn't god. use words to mean what they mean not your fantasy nonsensical definitions of words. It is impossible to talk to trinitarians because you have changed the meaning of so many words, such as represent here.

Go get yourself a dictionary, mate, and stop with the mass insults.

reperesent doesn't mean is, just cause a scholar says so don't make it so. you don't have to be a scholar to understand the meaning of represent. your scholar is wrong, and you are wrong. Both of you have temporarily lost the meaning of a simple word like represent. outside of a religous context, both of you fully know what the meaning of the word represent means. you continue to use words to mean something other than what they mean, represent doesn't mean is, and i don't care if you get 10,000 scholars, such as this guy , all saying represent means is, it don't. I know what represent means and it don't mean 'is'.

Go back to Bible school, then, because one's name is synonymous with their character which is synonymous with who they are. One's name represents who they are, thus, full representation of God. I don't care if you disagree with what I'm saying, I care whether or not you have a valid argument to do it with. So far, your argument is basically that I'm an idiot and don't know English definitions. That's not an argument, that's an insult.

i think we should terminate this conversation till you learn the meaning of simple words like represent, and nature, and person etc.

I think we should stop conversing because you are continually failing to address the issue and deem it appropriate to continually attack me instead.

 

[wlajoie74]

rep·re·sent (rpr-znt)
tr.v. rep·re·sent·ed, rep·re·sent·ing, rep·re·sents
1.
a. To stand for; symbolize: The bald eagle represents the United States.
b. To indicate or communicate by signs or symbols: Letters of the alphabet represent sounds.
2.
a. To depict in art; portray.
b. To describe or present in words; set forth.
3. To present clearly to the mind.
4. To draw attention to by way of remonstrance or protest: Our parents represented to us the need for greater caution.
5. To describe or put forward (a person or thing) as an embodiment of a specified quality.
6.
a. To serve as the official and authorized delegate or agent for.
b. To act as a spokesperson for.
7. To serve as an example of: The museum had several paintings representing the artist's early style.
8. To be the equivalent of.
9.
a. To stage (a play, for example); produce.
b. To act the part or role

rep·re·sen·ta·tion (rpr-zn-tshn, -zn-)
n.
1. The act of representing or the state of being represented.
2. Something that represents, as:
a. An image or likeness of something.
b. An account or statement, as of facts, allegations, or arguments.
c. An expostulation; a protest.
d. A presentation or production, as of a play.
3. The state or condition of serving as an official delegate, agent, or spokesperson.
4. The right or privilege of being represented by delegates having a voice in a legislative body.
5. A body of legislators that serve on behalf of a constituency.
6. Law A statement of fact made by one party in order to induce another party to enter into a contract.
7. Mathematics A homomorphism from an algebraic system to a similar system of matrices.

Here are the definitions.

 

[Zebra1552]

rep·re·sent (rpr-znt)
tr.v. rep·re·sent·ed, rep·re·sent·ing, rep·re·sents
1.
a. To stand for; symbolize: The bald eagle represents the United States.
b. To indicate or communicate by signs or symbols: Letters of the alphabet represent sounds.
2.
a. To depict in art; portray.
b. To describe or present in words; set forth.
3. To present clearly to the mind.
4. To draw attention to by way of remonstrance or protest: Our parents represented to us the need for greater caution.
5. To describe or put forward (a person or thing) as an embodiment of a specified quality.
6.
a. To serve as the official and authorized delegate or agent for.
b. To act as a spokesperson for.
7. To serve as an example of: The museum had several paintings representing the artist's early style.
8. To be the equivalent of.
9.
a. To stage (a play, for example); produce.
b. To act the part or role

rep·re·sen·ta·tion (rpr-zn-tshn, -zn-)
n.
1. The act of representing or the state of being represented.
2. Something that represents, as:
a. An image or likeness of something.
b. An account or statement, as of facts, allegations, or arguments.
c. An expostulation; a protest.
d. A presentation or production, as of a play.
3. The state or condition of serving as an official delegate, agent, or spokesperson.
4. The right or privilege of being represented by delegates having a voice in a legislative body.
5. A body of legislators that serve on behalf of a constituency.
6. Law A statement of fact made by one party in order to induce another party to enter into a contract.
7. Mathematics A homomorphism from an algebraic system to a similar system of matrices.

Here are the definitions.

Emphasis mine.

 

[2 King]

Hi JW's. I see another attack on Christ's deity.

I have seen you constantly use the "If Jesus is God, why did he pray to the Father?" question.
Jesus prayed to the Father because as a man, under the Law (Galatians 4:4), he needed to pray to the Father. The Bible teaches that he was both God and man (Colossians 2:9; John 8:58 with Exodus 3:14).

Also, Jesus has two natures. Therefore, we will see two types of scripture concerning Jesus: those that seem to focus on His divine-side, and those that seem to focus on His human-side. I noticed that Jehovah's Witnesses are simply ignoring, or changing, the divine-side scriptures and concentrating on those that describe His human-side.God is a Trinity which means that the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit are all divine, but are distinct persons, not three gods. The person of the Son prayed to the person of the Father. This makes sense since Jesus was fully divine and fully human at the same time.

 

[wlajoie74]

Hi JW's. I see another attack on Christ's deity.

I have seen you constantly use the "If Jesus is God, why did he pray to the Father?" question.
Jesus prayed to the Father because as a man, under the Law (Galatians 4:4), he needed to pray to the Father. The Bible teaches that he was both God and man (Colossians 2:9; John 8:58 with Exodus 3:14).

Also, Jesus has two natures. Therefore, we will see two types of scripture concerning Jesus: those that seem to focus on His divine-side, and those that seem to focus on His human-side. I noticed that Jehovah's Witnesses are simply ignoring, or changing, the divine-side scriptures and concentrating on those that describe His human-side.God is a Trinity which means that the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit are all divine, but are distinct persons, not three gods. The person of the Son prayed to the person of the Father. This makes sense since Jesus was fully divine and fully human at the same time.

Please don't confuse all people who do not believe in the trinity to be JW's. I believe that there is a divine aspect to Jesus. He is Gods son after all. However, this does not make him the almighy God, YHWH, Yawheh, Jehovah whatever you call him. He is not Yahweh. He is the only begotten(or procreated) son of Yaweh and Mary who is seated at the right hand of Him. This does not make Jesus, the god that we should give worship to. They are not the same being. Jesus is of the same essense of God no different than my son is of the same essense of me.

 

[GuardianShua]

Could it be that the article “a” is missing do to the scripture being translated from Aramaic or Hebrew?


Definite and indefinite
The prefixed definite article ha- (with germination of the first consonant in the noun, except where Hebrew phonological rules prohibit the gemination) indicates definiteness.

There is no indefinite article, so that, for example, יד yad can mean either simply ‘hand’ or “a hand.”

Sporadically in the Bible, especially in Israelian Hebrew material, and more regularly in Mishnaic Hebrew, the numeral “1”, masc. אחד ehad, fem. אחת ahat serves as the indefinite article, thus, e.g., אחד or איש is ehad, either "a"- man or "one"- man, depending on the context.

John 10:33. "We are not stoning you for any of these," replied the Jews, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be (or: a) God."
34 Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your Law, 'I have said you are gods'? 35If he called them 'gods,' to whom the word of God came—and the Scripture cannot be broken— 36 what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, 'I am God's Son'?

 

[2 King]

Please don't confuse all people who do not believe in the trinity to be JW's.

I apologize.

Forgive me.

 

[wlajoie74]

I apologize.

Forgive me.

Forgiven

 

[2ducklow]

Show me a reliable source that disagrees with what I'm saying.

every bible ever written disagrees with your fantasy scripture. they all say 'the only true god.' or 'the only real god.' I don't accepty your fanatasy made up scripture that says "the only full representation of god." Butlet me say this about that right here.if represent means is as you are asserting, then your fantasy translation really means this. "the only fully is god." So then you are saying that god the father is the only fully is god, which would leave the fictious god the son and god the holy spirit out of the picture. so in our vern acular what you are saying is that God the father is the only one who fully is god (represent means is in your fantasy vocabulary). so Jesus then according to you isn't fully god, nor is god the holy spirit. or does only mean 1/3 in your fantasy vocalbulary? probably.

False analogy, it doesn't fit what I'm saying.


And you need to stop making this so personal.

Ad hominem.


Go get yourself a dictionary, mate, and stop with the mass insults.


Go back to Bible school, then, because one's name is synonymous with their character which is synonymous with who they are. One's name represents who they are, thus, full representation of God. I don't care if you disagree with what I'm saying, I care whether or not you have a valid argument to do it with. So far, your argument is basically that I'm an idiot and don't know English definitions. That's not an argument, that's an insult.

I don't care you don't care nobody cares but Jesus.

it's not an insult it's afact that you don't understand simmple english words like represent and image, amongst others. not an insult it's a fact.Lets see I have a photo of a battleship, it's an image of a famous battleship,WOW I have a battleship cause an iomage of something is that something, accoirding to you. it's really amazing what you believe.

I think we should stop conversing because you are continually failing to address the issue and deem it appropriate to continually attack me instead.

nah it's cause you don't understand language. you don't understand a mnultitude of words such as represent and image. I see below that you think the image of something is it too. like a photo is an image of someone so according to you a photo is that person. I can't debate with someone who doesn't understand even simple english .