Scientology

[Iron Lion]

Anyone ever been involved or known anyone involved with this group?

http://www.scientology.org/

Ive heard alot of bad and alot of good about Scientology (mostly bad) but i will always reserve my judgement on any new religion when i dont know alot about it for myself. Not just what others say.

Thoughts?

 

[ninja]

I think Tom Cruz is a Scientologist. But I know absolutely nothing about them

 

[Lokisdottir]

www.xenu.net

 

[Iron Lion]

yeah ive also been told that site has made up alot off stuff. that why iask if anyone has been involved or knows anyone involved.

 

[Eudaimonist]

yeah ive also been told that site has made up alot off stuff. that why iask if anyone has been involved or knows anyone involved.

Told by who? Scientologists?

I guess you'll just have to speak with former Scientologists. I'm not one, so good luck in finding some!

 

[Dennis Moore]

Anyone who can read Xenu.net and not laugh in the face of the next $cientologist they meet, is a better person than I. Luckily, it's been awhile since I knew a $cientologist!

yeah ive also been told that site has made up alot off stuff. that why iask if anyone has been involved or knows anyone involved.

Ex-$cientologists have confirmed most of it. And we have notes written in Hubbard's very hand.

 

[Thirst_For_Knowledge]

Scientology, for a lot of reasons, is not actually a religion.

 

[gaijin178]

So what is so appealing to this by many celebrities? By my home in Hollywood, there are huge centers for Scientology and Dianetics which many of these famous people visit. There is also one that has a sign on the outside that says something like, Celebrity Scientology Center. What's up with that?

 

[Thirst_For_Knowledge]

So what is so appealing to this by many celebrities? By my home in Hollywood, there are huge centers for Scientology and Dianetics which many of these famous people visit. There is also one that has a sign on the outside that says something like, Celebrity Scientology Center. What's up with that?

Dianetics actually works. Well, maybe not actually works, but it gives the person that's been cleared (I think that's the word, it's been awhile since I've read up on it) a feeling that it has totally worked. The end result always ends as predicted from the beginning. That is not to say that Dianetics actually works.

 

[gaijin178]

Dianetics actually works. Well, maybe not actually works, but it gives the person that's been cleared (I think that's the word, it's been awhile since I've read up on it) a feeling that it has totally worked. The end result always ends as predicted from the beginning. That is not to say that Dianetics actually works.

That's interesting from what I have read about it too, it just seems like a lot of common sense life stuff. I don't know that much about it though.

 

[Thirst_For_Knowledge]

That's interesting from what I have read about it too, it just seems like a lot of common sense life stuff. I don't know that much about it though.

It is. Basically it is totaly self-realization and actualization. I am this point now, without Dianetics.

 

[Ryal Kane]

I think Scientology is much like many relgions in terms of development.

Based around a single figure L Ron Hubbard, who created an philosophical idea about the soul and how to improve it.

As the movement grew it accumulated dogma and mythology. As the unquestioned leader of such a group Hubbard succumbed to the temptation of a infalibility, inventing more and more. With dogma intrenched a astructure grew, eventually forming teirs of rigid control and uniformity.

I've read a fair bit about scientology and it's pretty much what you'd expect from a religion created by a science fiction writer. The worst thing about it is the deception, the manipulation and the abuse of power.

Members are recruited via many, many methods and often don't even realize it is scientology until it is firmly entrenched in their lives. There are many many tiers of heirachy, each more expencive than the last. Those that leave scientology or try to criticize it publicly are often utterly destroyed. They collect information on members, use private detectives and blackmail them into staying.

For example, I remember this fro ma while back (I could be wrong in precise details)

There was an organization called the Cult Awareness Network. They were a broad facility covering many cults of concern and offering information.
Among those they were concerned about was Scientology.
So the church of Scientology bombarded them with lawsuit after law suit. It didn't matter that they were all based on nothing. They simply had to bankrupt the C.A.N with legal fees, easy to do because the Church has huge amounts of money.
So the C.A.N declares bankrupcy. All it's resources, offices, materials and symbols are bought up by a firm. The firm is run by the Church of Scientology.
The new Cult Awareness Network starts up, under the same name, at the same website. Only know they deride every member of the former C.A.N as paranoid criminals. Lots of links about the 'truth' of scientology.

There are plenty of resources online and at libraries about Scientology.

Ryal Kane

 

[Blackmarch]

Anyone ever been involved or known anyone involved with this group?

http://www.scientology.org/

Ive heard alot of bad and alot of good about Scientology (mostly bad) but i will always reserve my judgement on any new religion when i dont know alot about it for myself. Not just what others say.

Thoughts?

the reviews this group gets in the Readers Digest isn't too good...
Haven't seen much else, so one can't say much about them.

 

[Iron Lion]

haha so so far its pretty much thumbs down for the group from everyone.

i wonder how a group that attracts so much negative attention manages to grow.

Its a pitty no scientologists post here. well im assuming none do.

 

[Dennis Moore]

i wonder how a group that attracts so much negative attention manages to grow.

It appeals to the rich and powerful. Especially the kind of rich and powerful in Hollywood--those with far too much money and far too big an ego, and no constructive outlet for either. Think about it: a religion that you have to be wealthy enough to get into? An elitist religion, where the poor have to work off their membership, but you get to pay your way to OT Level 7?

Its a pitty no scientologists post here. well im assuming none do.

If they did, they'd be leaping to the defense of their cult. I've never seen a practicing $cientologist sit back and passively watch people attack the Church.

 

[vajradhara]

Namaste all,


Dianetics and Scientology, though related, are different. the Co$ grew out of Dianetics when all the real doctors and physicians abandoned it due to some legal issues involving medical care in the early 1950's.

www.xenu.net is a good resource to get a broad overview.

two other good resources are:

http://www.gerryarmstrong.org/50grand/introduction.html

and you can read about Scientologys' Salman Rushdie

or

http://www.lisamcpherson.org/

and read about the tragic case of Lisa McPherson and her struggle to free herself from Scientology.

one of the interesting tidbits of information, at least for a person like me, is the association of Layfayette Ron Hubbard with Jack Parsons. Dr. Parsons was a well respected member of the JPL, Jet Propulusion Labratory, back in the 50's. as it turns out, Jack was involved in a few groups that were... less than public, as they say, one of which was an offshoot of Crowley's Thelema, the O.T.O.

i will refrain from saying too much more at this point since one of Scientologys stated means of dealing with "SPs" (Suppressive Persons), me, is to engage in as many law suites as possible to ruin us fiancially and any other way that they can.

 

[jeffnevins]

I think Scientology is much like many relgions in terms of development.

Based around a single figure L Ron Hubbard, who created an philosophical idea about the soul and how to improve it.

There are plenty of resources online and at libraries about Scientology.

Ryal Kane

Good post.

I'm in L.A., just up Vermont St. from the big one on Sunset Blvd.
The more Celebrity Center is at Franklin, near Western.

The book Kingdom of the Cults gives an overview.

I inspect courtroom transcripts-
I've worked 3 months for the company- it uses Hubbard's technology in training. I signed papers saying they wouldn't influence me w/religion in any way.

Words a scientologist uses commonly are "gathering data", "clearing" (unfamiliar words, concepts), and "getting with" someone (talking).