Scientific proof of flood.

[MidnightBlue]

When I linked up, I only got a small circle center screen, and the downloading was done, so, please explain whatever evidence you say is there.

I can't imagine why it wouldn't load for you. http://www.icr.org/

There's no worthwhile evidence there at all.

 

[leccy]

Please explain the HIGH concentrations of dinosaur fossils in places like Montana. Perhaps migration to the dinosaur graveyard? OR FLOOD!

Here you go.

This is a good introduction to dinosaur taphonomy in a format that is highly suitable for digestion by the layman.

http://www.blackwellpublishing.com/dinosaurs/pdf/samplechap6.pdf

If you read and understand that it will give you an understanding as to the processes and mechanisms that govern why dinosaur fossils are found in particular settings.

 

[John16:2]

Here you go.

This is a good introduction to dinosaur taphonomy in a format that is highly suitable for digestion by the layman.

http://www.blackwellpublishing.com/dinosaurs/pdf/samplechap6.pdf

If you read and understand that it will give you an understanding as to the processes and mechanisms that govern why dinosaur fossils are found in particular settings.

One mans' opinion is anothers' foolishness. Deny the Yukatan impact & history of EM pole reversals & axis shifts! Those events SURELY would cause wave action. EM field reaching 0 point can cause intensive lava production, making the Biblical erupting "fountains" possible, with rains from steam venting.

I still favor the Sumerian scenario of an intense tidal pull from an unknown object, like the 3 MOON SIZED comets that bashed the sun since 1998.

 

[leccy]

One mans' opinion is anothers' foolishness. Deny the Yukatan impact & history of EM pole reversals & axis shifts! Those events SURELY would cause wave action. EM field reaching 0 point can cause intensive lava production, making the Biblical erupting "fountains" possible, with rains from steam venting.

I still favor the Sumerian scenario of an intense tidal pull from an unknown object, like the 3 MOON SIZED comets that bashed the sun since 1998.

ohhhkayyyyyy


The Blackwell article isn't just one man's opinion. It is a summary of millions of man years work in the field of palaeontology and peer reviewed science.

In contrast your hypothesis of dinosaurs being concentrated by wave action due to a bypassing unknown planet, and that being responsible for the distribution of oil and gas deposits around the planet is just a wild scenario plucked out of someone's nether regions without a scrap of evidence presented.

Your statement that "Iraq is a desert!!" with reference to the Summerians living on a flood plain shows how unfamiliar you are with this planet, it's geography and history. Such wilful ignorance of the basic make up of the planet that you live on, whilst going off on wild fantasies make it very difficult to take anything you say with any degree of seriousness at all.

 

[John16:2]

ohhhkayyyyyy


The Blackwell article isn't just one man's opinion. It is a summary of millions of man years work in the field of palaeontology and peer reviewed science.

In contrast your hypothesis of dinosaurs being concentrated by wave action due to a bypassing unknown planet, and that being responsible for the distribution of oil and gas deposits around the planet is just a wild scenario plucked out of someone's nether regions without a scrap of evidence presented.

Your statement that "Iraq is a desert!!" with reference to the Summerians living on a flood plain shows how unfamiliar you are with this planet, it's geography and history. Such wilful ignorance of the basic make up of the planet that you live on, whilst going off on wild fantasies make it very difficult to take anything you say with any degree of seriousness at all.

You failed to address the known history of earth that SURELY caused floodings; Yukatan crater, EM pole reversals & axis shifts. Do you say it never happened?

 

[raphael_aa]

You failed to address the known history of earth that SURELY caused floodings; Yukatan crater, EM pole reversals & axis shifts. Do you say it never happened?

Just for a laugh, could you explain how pole reversals cause flooding? Water is not magnetic you know. Pole reversals have happened numerous times in the earth's history with little or no effect. The earth itself does not move at all during a pole reversal.

 

[John16:2]

Just for a laugh, could you explain how pole reversals cause flooding? Water is not magnetic you know. Pole reversals have happened numerous times in the earth's history with little or no effect. The earth itself does not move at all during a pole reversal.

ourworld.compuserve.com --- to quote: (axis shift) would cause tremendous DELUGE and destruction of civilization".

 

[leccy]

You failed to address the known history of earth that SURELY caused floodings; Yukatan crater, EM pole reversals & axis shifts. Do you say it never happened?

There is no doubt that the earths magnetic field has undergone many reversals and fluctuations during earth history. Such reversals are a well established part of the scientific literature and have been for the past forty years or so.

Similarly there is no doubt that the rotational axis of the earth has an inherent wobble that there is evidence that this may explain some of the cyclicity note in climate change (google for "Milankovitch" if you are really interested).

The Yukatan crater, the physical evidence for it and the likely effects of the impact have been discussed in the scientific literature since Alvarez first put forward his hypothesis that the impact of a meteor was responsible for the mass extinction at the end of the Cretaceous and candidate structures were sought.

The record of changes in global sea level throughout geological time is complex and sea level change provides one of the main controlling mechanisms on the distribution of sediments and sedimentary rocks in the earths crust.

Nowhere in the peer- reviewed scientific literature have those features been linked to a single global flood caused by the close proximity of a mystery planet.

 

[Douglaangu v2.0]

ourworld.compuserve.com --- to quote: (axis shift) would cause tremendous DELUGE and destruction of civilization".

Thats nice. How? Why?

 

[John16:2]

Thats nice. How? Why?

Imagine a pan of water with mountains sticking out, stable, yet ripples can happen from little quakes. One day you turn the handle, and mountains get deluged. A world spinning one way shifting totally another direction of spin is a dramatic event. The scenario is not as likely a cause of the Biblical flood because of the duration, but it HAS happened in earthstory. I'm with the large object passing scenario.

 

[A4C]

Imagine a pan of water with mountains sticking out, stable, yet ripples can happen from little quakes. One day you turn the handle, and mountains get deluged. A world spinning one way shifting totally another direction of spin is a dramatic event. The scenario is not as likely a cause of the Biblical flood because of the duration, but it HAS happened in earthstory. I'm with the large object passing scenario.

As I perceive it the catastrophic events of the flood itself could quite easily have caused an axis shift. Consider that the waters from below the earths crust gushing over the face of the earth. Consider then the redistribution of ALL of the soil and rock coverage of the earth's crust moving from covering high mountains to now forming mile high sediment layers at lower altitudes. These two events alone would cause a massive shift in the equilibrium of the earth. Possibly such an event could have caused pole reversal as well as the formation of the polar ice
How would I know this ?
Well haven't the scientists told us that the, relatively minor in comparison, tsunami recently caused a measurable variation as land mass ended up filling an ocean void

 

[John16:2]

As I perceive it the catastrophic events of the flood itself could quite easily have caused an axis shift. Consider that the waters from below the earths crust gushing over the face of the earth. Consider then the redistribution of ALL of the soil and rock coverage of the earth's crust moving from covering high mountains to now forming mile high sediment layers at lower altitudes. These two events alone would cause a massive shift in the equilibrium of the earth. Possibly such an event could have caused pole reversal as well as the formation of the polar ice
How would I know this ?
Well haven't the scientists told us that the, relatively minor in comparison, tsunami recently caused a measurable variation as land mass ended up filling an ocean void

Velikovsky cited the mastadon found quick frozen with daisies still preserved in its' mouth and stomach, encased in ice. Something happened fast there with a shift.

I know a geophysicist and have discussed pole reversals & axis shifts with him. The EM field is steadily weakening now, and WILL reach critical mass or 0 point field and reverse polarity. That's why quakes & volcanoes are increasing in recent decades. Unified field theory is something to consider with one field collapsed around us. Gravity, could get weaker during the event, and massive amounts of lava can be generated at that point.

You sound up to speed with the seriousness of axis shifts & reversals here. The crust is but a layer atop molten mass, as you pointed out. Major impact can send cracks around the earth, and extreme lava production can burst the seams, sending cities to the bottom of the sea & such.

Thanks for an educated post.

 

[Split Rock]

C'mon !!! 200 mile wide pink fairies? What do you think I am ?

You probably don't want to know the answer to this question..

Can you PROVE that little pink faires don't exist?

Can you PROVE that they don't get gas?

Can you PROVE that they don't fart?

Can you PROVE that they can't make craters with their farts?

I rest my case.

 

[raphael_aa]

ourworld.compuserve.com --- to quote: (axis shift) would cause tremendous DELUGE and destruction of civilization".

This is an answer to a question I did not ask. I specifically asked why magnetic pole reversals would cause 'waves' on a flooded world. You do understand that pole reversals are independent of axis shifts, don't you? You do understand the axis of the earth has a pronounced wobble and is shifting all the time, don't you? (Hold on to your seat!).

Please answer the question: How do magnetic pole reversals effect the ocean?

 

[John16:2]

This is an answer to a question I did not ask. I specifically asked why magnetic pole reversals would cause 'waves' on a flooded world. You do understand that pole reversals are independent of axis shifts, don't you? You do understand the axis of the earth has a pronounced wobble and is shifting all the time, don't you? (Hold on to your seat!).

Please answer the question: How do magnetic pole reversals effect the ocean?

You're talking about wandering shifts, rather than massive shifts, & wandering shifts are of no consequence for a deluge event, so drop it.
I'm talking about the kind of event that left the Siberian mastadon quick frozen in ice with preserved daisies in mouth & stomach.

Axis shifts & EM pole reversals go together often (massive shifts OK?). EM pole reversal alone is not necessarily a deluge event, except that it causes lava production. But along with axis shifting massively, it's surely a deluge event.

I never said reversal alone would cause deluge, but reversal & shift go together. I'm not even saying the great flood was a shift event, but it's proof earth has been deluged before is the point.

Shift waves last less than a week before settling down. That's why I'm with the tidal pull flood scenario.

 

[raphael_aa]

You're talking about wandering shifts, rather than massive shifts, & wandering shifts are of no consequence for a deluge event, so drop it.
I'm talking about the kind of event that left the Siberian mastadon quick frozen in ice with preserved daisies in mouth & stomach.

Axis shifts & EM pole reversals go together often (massive shifts OK?). EM pole reversal alone is not necessarily a deluge event, except that it causes lava production. But along with axis shifting massively, it's surely a deluge event.

I never said reversal alone would cause deluge, but reversal & shift go together. I'm not even saying the great flood was a shift event, but it's proof earth has been deluged before is the point.

Shift waves last less than a week before settling down. That's why I'm with the tidal pull flood scenario.

1. What is the mechanism for lava production being caused by pole reversal. I know of no such mechanism. I am always eager to learn however.

2. What is the evidence that massive axis shifts have caused catastrophes? Please don't use any evidence that can be better explained by plate tectonics which is an observed phenomena.

3. On what basis do you say pole reversals are associated with massive axis shifts? Having taught science and physics for 25 years, I've never heard of this.

4. Since all of us agree catastrophic events have happened in the earth's past, which of these bits of evidence can ONLY be explained by a Biblical global flood?

5. What evidence is there of this 'tidal pull' event? Your logic seems to be suspisciously like:

I believe the flood happened -> musta been caused by something -> roving planet could do it -> therefore roving planet did it -> therefore flood happened

 

[John16:2]

1. What is the mechanism for lava production being caused by pole reversal. I know of no such mechanism. I am always eager to learn however.

2. What is the evidence that massive axis shifts have caused catastrophes? Please don't use any evidence that can be better explained by plate tectonics which is an observed phenomena.

3. On what basis do you say pole reversals are associated with massive axis shifts? Having taught science and physics for 25 years, I've never heard of this.

4. Since all of us agree catastrophic events have happened in the earth's past, which of these bits of evidence can ONLY be explained by a Biblical global flood?

5. What evidence is there of this 'tidal pull' event? Your logic seems to be suspisciously like:

I believe the flood happened -> musta been caused by something -> roving planet could do it -> therefore roving planet did it -> therefore flood happened

Axis shift is NOT the Biblical flood cause, nor EM reversal with axis shift. I've discussed reversal & shift with a geophysicist I know. Arguing about proving both happen together SOMETIMES is irrelevant to the Biblical flood scenario anyhow.

Possible scenarios for Biblical flood really narrows down the possibilities. I only spoke of axis shifts to show deluges can & did happen before.

I see only 2 possibilities for Biblical flood; tidal pull due to unknown object or artificially created by the Genesis 6:2 "sons of God" to rid the earth of sub humans.

3 previously unknown moon size comets have hit the sun since Aug 1998, so, science cannot rule out unknown objects passing by. By coincidence, one self proclaimed Sumerian scholar asserts there WAS an object that passed & caused the flood. Possibility plus reported cause equals stronger possibility.

 

[raphael_aa]

, snip>. By coincidence, one self proclaimed Sumerian scholar asserts there WAS an object that passed & caused the flood. Possibility plus reported cause equals stronger possibility.

I note you did not actually answer any of my questions. However, leaving that aside, why is it that the Bible makes absolutely no reference to the flood being caused a celestial passer-by? Presumeably, they would have seen it coming.

 

[John16:2]

I note you did not actually answer any of my questions. However, leaving that aside, why is it that the Bible makes absolutely no reference to the flood being caused a celestial passer-by? Presumeably, they would have seen it coming.

The only cause of the flood in the Bible is a motive; "the earth is filled with violence through them, and I will destroy them with the earth".

We are left to postulate on natural causes, or supernatural causes. A passing object or artificial tidal pull is not ruled out by the Bible either.

Other scenarios are inadequate to explain the duration. The "sons of God" of Genesis 6:2 COULD be considered agents of God then. ufoevidence.org

The Sumerian scenario is reported as a cause, though, and would fit the Biblical criteria. Posters here want me to lasso it before accepting it's possible. 3 moon size comets previously unknown have hit the sun since August 1998 (jmccanneyscience.com).

 

[duordi]

Why would I expect a global flood to take animals from Africa and form fossils in North America.

Fossils only form when something is quick buried.

Things that float around for awhile would not make fossils but be digested by bacteria and erosion or sink.

Besides, if you found something that doesn’t life there now you would say it was indigenous at one time, would you not?

I had a wonderful time camping.

I haven’t figured out why, as I gave up my bed and a comfortable home on 80 acres in the woods to stay on a 50'x80' bumpy lot with neighbors close enough I could spit through their front door from my property line.

I think next year I am going to go to Canada on a five day canoe trip.

Duane