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It is an attempt at formulating a rather fundamental alternative hypothesis of large scale geodynamics so that observations in geology and geophysics can be explained.Frumious Bandersnatch said:
I don't think disqualifies is the word. If this were so, then it would be unfortunate if Wegener's primary reason for proposing continental drift was because the scriptural story of "Peleg's day" because according to you, continental drift would therefore be a pseudoscience. My point is that motivation has no bearing on truth or falsity. I think I have referred to the difference between epistemic reasons for belief (or of acceptance) and practical reasons. Baumgardner along with many other creationists (albeit, to a more ridiculous extent with many of these other creationists) have made the mistake of allowing practical reasons to bare on the truth or falsity of their hypotheses, but only epistemic reasons have such bearing. So then, a reason for motivation does not bear on the truth or falsity of the hypothesis being researched.
I am getting tired of referring you to post 842, I've even memorized the exact post number. You've made the mistake of presuming that an instance of disconfirmation having numerous speculative auxiliary assumptions is actually an instance of falsification. It looks to me like you are not very good at hypothesis testing. I would expect more from a scientist.
I don't recall this and I had read the paper many times when I had a copy. I recall the assertion being essentially that the runaway instability can unfold on itself under present conditions on timescales of 10^7 years.
Thats because many of them don't do science very well. The problem is that you think that this bears on the truth or falsity of the hypothesis.
Well there is a thermal lithosphere
There still is a lot of heat in the lithosphere and even crust. I would expect the crust to have been even warmer as well post-CPT. Do you know how gabbros behaves at 300-800[sup]o[/sup]C on timescales of millenia? I have not seen any such studies but I would predict that if CPT occurred in the way I have described, recrystallization would be an observed phenomenon.
I was talking about heat transfer beneath the lithosphere... you are just all over the place aren't you? Nevertheless, you have not and cannot answer the question of how much heat would be absorbed by oceans and atmosphere and so you continue making fallaceous statements.
Well it matters to someone who is actually trying to think about these things. Your reason appears to be very limited, however. I've explained your fallacy.
LOL. Just your guess which you have claimed is an instance of falsification. You haven't even determined the dynamics of these jets. lol, your quite the scientist...
Not nearly as much energy that is required to eject it from a vent at hypersonic velocities. You seem to think that if you elevated the ocean to a few hundred km and dropped it to the surface of the earth the ocean would vaporize to steam as it was in freefall.
Well then either stop making speculative presumptions as if they were instances of falsification or do the calculations. I have little interest in performing these calculations at the moment and for good reason (one which you clearly do not acknowledge). In order to calculate the amount of heat energy that will be removed from the lithosphere and be radiated to space (let alone where all of the heat will naturally be redistributed as a result of these process) you must first understand the dynamics of the subseafloor hydrothermal systems and mechanisms for crack propagation in the lithosphere and of recharge hydrothermal processes feeding the jets, the morphology of gas phase seafloor jets, turbulence mixing and conductive heat transfer in the jet walls during both a stage of gas-liquid contact (as the jets penetrate the ocean) and a stage of gas-gas contact in the atmosphere, jet velocity, elevation potential, layered atmospheric convection (especially in the upper atmosphere) as a result of these jets in the atmosphere, etc. Of course you don't even think you need to do basic napkin work to consider your speculations falsifications.
What else do you think would happen if enormous amounts of ~1700 K mantle rock directly contacted water at the bottom of a conduit submerged in ocean water?
No. Runaway subduction is a known theoretical phenomena in geophysics. I think you are trying to refer to Catastrophic plate tectonics by means of runaway subduction. Nevertheless, the point of my assertion, "Perhaps if you began to understand that belief is not the business of scientists as scientist I would be a little more silent" is that beliefs like these have no bearing on the truth or falsity of the hypothesis.
nope.
To phrase it like that would just be dumb. CPT is plate tectonics behaving catastrophically. CPT and PT share common statements, however CPT differs by proposing that plate tectonic processes have not always occurred essentially the way the do now--it rejects many of the uniformitarian statements which have been retained in modern geology. It is a highly general hypothesis and clearly has implications for all aspects of geology, geodynamics, and geophysics.
10 times over? no. I calculate 3-4 oceans max.
Yes it is speculation. You sound a lot like the critics of Wegener when he was first proposing continental drift.
I think that the ocean was probably filled with such organisms in all places. I have no problem envisioning some of them being burried in oceanic sediments and many of those sediments being accreted to the sides of continents. Sessil organisms move around, they just move passively.
I don't know, it isn't really in my interest list at the moment.
It is difficult to formulate a good hypothesis with such sparse data and such a poor geologic and biogeographic explanation as had been presented by Morton. However I presume that it can be easily explained merely with a population of organisms just doing what they do.
Similarily. Organisms die and when doing what they do, they can leave traces to be preserved.
I embrace the heat problem to a greater extent of respectability than you ever have. Your critique of the heat problem is more superficial than even many creationists have considered.
That isn't the problem. The problem is that you whine at the first site of seeming inconsistence. You seem to think that problem solving is inconsequential.
No this is not what you were referring to. In this instance you were referring to the release of gravitational potential energy. Read back.
It solves numerous problems. Also I don't doubt that some of it was absorbed by the atmosphere. But HOW MUCH. I consider it very poor value judgement to cease considering CPT on this basis without relevant research, especially since, if true, this process could solve so many problems.
Don't you think this sounds a lot like the anthropic principle and tine tuning arguments doesn't it?
no. I am not arrogant enough to presume that I know. In the face of the fact that CPT is an underdeveloped hypothesis and thus is not even very well understood. Nevertheless, my current posture follows from my doubt that CPT resulted in the entire earth being simultaneously covered. I therefore do not think that 'global extermination' is an (especially scientific) vice of expectation for catastrophic plate tectonics by means of runaway subduction.
I don't think so. Catastrophic plate tectonics--perhaps about as general a description of such an event as you can get, is very new. I think that the assertion that the "basics of geology and physics disproved the flood [200] years ago" is dumb and clearly exhibits a lack of understanding in how hypotheses and theories are structured, justified, and especially evolve.Valkhorn said:
