Scientific proof of flood.

[A4C]

because, if you start at an unbiased position and use the evidense from the earth to understand the past you never get to any global flood. the only way you get to a gigantic flood is to read the bible and im not that gullable to believe everything that is written in an old book by a few people, id rarther work off millions of people with technology and knowledge and understanding

Some people see the evidence of a flood before they read about it in the Bible
This is the sort of things they see that a flood caused

* Massive layers of sedimentary deposits
* Catastrophic upheaval of freshly laid down sediments caued by receeding flood waters and seimic activity leaving evidence in the form of canyons and "sink holes"
* The "fossil record" distributed throughout the sediment layers sometimes without any logical sequence and sometimes so vast that they extend over many square miles
* Large fossil fuel deposits sometimes miles thick and covering hundreds of square miles of area
* Extensive limestone deposits within the sedimentary layers
* Large salt lake deposits as evidence of salt water coverage in location within dry continents
* Sudden extinction of many animal species
* Discovery of ancient civilisations a few thousands years old buried under sand and sea
*Over 200 folk legends of peoples and tribes all over the globe that tell of a catasrophic flood that once occurred

This list of flood evidence could no doubt be increased with a simple google search and are supported by scientific proof
How could you possibly say there is no evidence of a global flood?

 

[MidnightBlue]

This question deals with how you describe the formation of the Earths surface after the flood.

If the Earth was relatively flat allowing the flood to cover all land.

Land is lighter then water.

The areas which have greater water depths must sink due to the greater weight and the areas which had less water depth must rise until a balance of force was reach.

Water will ran off rising land areas.

Because the land surface was once lower the raised areas would be formed in keeping with the elevation at the time it was formed, and life existed before the flood.

The relative size of the risen areas depended on how far the water could move during the process as wood the stiffness of the Earths surface.

Dude, you're wasting your time on this forum. You should be teaching geology at ICR.

 

[Wotan]

Some people see the evidence of a flood before they read about it in the Bible
This is the sort of things they see that a flood caused

* Massive layers of sedimentary deposits
* Catastrophic upheaval of freshly laid down sediments caued by receeding flood waters and seimic activity leaving evidence in the form of canyons and "sink holes"
* The "fossil record" distributed throughout the sediment layers sometimes without any logical sequence and sometimes so vast that they extend over many square miles
* Large fossil fuel deposits sometimes miles thick and covering hundreds of square miles of area
* Extensive limestone deposits within the sedimentary layers
* Large salt lake deposits as evidence of salt water coverage in location within dry continents
* Sudden extinction of many animal species
* Discovery of ancient civilisations a few thousands years old buried under sand and sea
*Over 200 folk legends of peoples and tribes all over the globe that tell of a catasrophic flood that once occurred

This list of flood evidence could no doubt be increased with a simple google search and are supported by scientific proof
How could you possibly say there is no evidence of a global flood?

none of those point directly at a global flood, can you not see??? you and just showing evidense that could fit into a global flood, there is other evidence that doesnt support a flood and when all of the evidence is looked at together it doesnt say "gigantic flood" to me and most other scientists otherwise it would be science. Sorry mate but you've got a nice attempt at evidence but it shows nothing of value that you can conclude something as global as a flood

 

[A4C]

none of those point directly at a global flood, can you not see??? you and just showing evidense that could fit into a global flood, there is other evidence that doesnt support a flood and when all of the evidence is looked at together it doesnt say "gigantic flood" to me and most other scientists otherwise it would be science. Sorry mate but you've got a nice attempt at evidence but it shows nothing of value that you can conclude something as global as a flood

Well your hand waving hasn't convinced me that there wasn't a flood. Perhaps you would like to present some of your evidence to show me there wasn't one.

 

[Wotan]

Well your hand waving hasn't convinced me that there wasn't a flood. Perhaps you would like to present some of your evidence to show me there wasn't one.

i am sorry but i dont have the evidence stored up ready to show you, im sure its on the internet somewhere. Im not out to disprove the flood i and every other good scientist is out to find the real answers and no scientific articles i have ever read say the most likely event is a flood and by the way, if the universe is not old and is realy very young (10000 years or whatever) so many things accepted as fact will be wrong and many thing wont make sense so at the moment the only reason for anyone to try and prove the existance of a global flood are those out to find proff for a religion which is the wrong reason because you are then only looking for evidence that helps you in that job.

 

[notto]

* Large fossil fuel deposits sometimes miles thick and covering hundreds of square miles of area

Are these the same fossil fuel deposits (coal) that have dinosaur footprints in them that you have already said must have been laid down in swamps before the flood?

How are they evidence of a global flood if this is the case? How can we tell preflood deposits from ones during the flood or post flood?

Your inconsistency from your previous comments is noted (yet not surprising).

 

[A4C]

i am sorry but i dont have the evidence stored up ready to show you, im sure its on the internet somewhere. Im not out to disprove the flood i and every other good scientist is out to find the real answers and no scientific articles i have ever read say the most likely event is a flood and by the way, if the universe is not old and is realy very young (10000 years or whatever) so many things accepted as fact will be wrong and many thing wont make sense so at the moment the only reason for anyone to try and prove the existance of a global flood are those out to find proff for a religion which is the wrong reason because you are then only looking for evidence that helps you in that job.

No the reason why people say that there was a flood is that there is evidence to say that there WAS one . If they were to turn around and say there wasn't one when the evidence clearly shows that there was they would be dishonest -wouldn't they?

 

[Wotan]

No the reason why people say that there was a flood is that there is evidence to say that there WAS one . If they were to turn around and say there wasn't one when the evidence clearly shows that there was they would be dishonest -wouldn't they?

Theres evidence for alot of things, and evidence against many of them. I dont have any evidence against the global flood, but i assure you there is more than there is for it. I'd find it for you if i cared more lol.
Theres also evidence for an older earth but they can't both be right and scientifically the global flood isnt winning on the evidence front.

 

[Tomk80]

theres evidence for alot of things and evidence against many of them i dont see any evidence against the global flood but i assure you there is more than there is for it, and id find it for you if i cared more lol. Theres evidence for an older earth but they cant both be right and scietifically the global flood isnt winning on the evidence flood.

Wotan, just in between. Could you put a little more effort into making sentences? The way you're writing now does make your posts somewhat hard to read.

 

[Wotan]

Wotan, just in between. Could you put a little more effort into making sentences? The way you're writing now does make your posts somewhat hard to read.

ye sure, im not used to typing proper sentences on the web. sorry

 

[A4C]

theres evidence for alot of things and evidence against many of them i dont see any evidence against the global flood but i assure you there is more than there is for it, and id find it for you if i cared more lol. Theres evidence for an older earth but they cant both be right and scietifically the global flood isnt winning on the evidence flood.

Well I am sure we would all appreciate you bringing us back some evidence that there wasn't a global flood when (if) you can find some.

 

[Tomk80]

ye sure, im not used to typing proper sentences on the web. sorry

Thanks

 

[leccy]

Some people see the evidence of a flood before they read about it in the Bible
This is the sort of things they see that a flood caused

* Massive layers of sedimentary deposits

Please describe what would be the defining characteristics of flood deposited sediments. Specifically what would be their grain size, composition, organisation, structures and distribution?

* Catastrophic upheaval of freshly laid down sediments caued by receeding flood waters and seimic activity leaving evidence in the form of canyons and "sink holes"

Please describe what would be the mechanism for upheaval of freshly laid down sediments by receding flood waters? What is the driving force behind such upheaval?
What are the defining characteristics of a sink hole?

* The "fossil record" distributed throughout the sediment layers sometimes without any logical sequence and sometimes so vast that they extend over many square miles

Please give published examples of such a distribution of fossils without a logical sequence.

Please also explain the widely reported distribution of fossils which do show a logical sequence.

* Large fossil fuel deposits sometimes miles thick and covering hundreds of square miles of area

Please indicate which particular fossil fuel deposits that you would equate to having been produced in the flood. This will go at least some way to defining which section(s) of the geological rock record you would equate to flood deposits.

* Extensive limestone deposits within the sedimentary layers

What type of limestones are these and which particular limestones are you referring to?

Do you have any idea how limestones are deposited.

* Large salt lake deposits as evidence of salt water coverage in location within dry continents

Please provide geographical locations for these deposits.

* Sudden extinction of many animal species

Please describe which species became extinct. An exhaustive list is not necessary just some general indications would be sufficient for now. Please describe how these species became extinct.

* Discovery of ancient civilisations a few thousands years old buried under sand and sea

Please list the locations of these civilisations,the dates at which they were buried and how those dates were determined.

*Over 200 folk legends of peoples and tribes all over the globe that tell of a catasrophic flood that once occurred

Please list these legends, the geographical location and dates from which they originate. be sure to provide evidence that they are descibing a global flood that destroyed all life on earth, rather than a local flood.

This list of flood evidence could no doubt be increased with a simple google search and are supported by scientific proof
How could you possibly say there is no evidence of a global flood?

Those are not evidence they are claims. Please provide the evidence to back each of those claims.

 

[Wotan]

Well I am sure we would all appreciate you bringing us back some evidence that there wasn't a global flood when (if) you can find some.

be easier to find evidense for another theory that contradicts the global flood one. And if the alternative theory has more evidence than the global flood then the flood theory has more evidence against it than for it.

 

[notto]

Well I am sure we would all appreciate you bringing us back some evidence that there wasn't a global flood when (if) you can find some.

http://www.christianforums.com/t95378-falsifications-of-the-worldwide-flood.html

Here are 20 right out of the shoot. Of course A4C has me (and this evidence) on ignore.

 

[Tomk80]

http://www.christianforums.com/t95378-falsifications-of-the-worldwide-flood.html

Here are 20 right out of the shoot. Of course A4C has me (and this evidence) on ignore.

Would me quoting you solve that problem?

 

[Wotan]

http://www.christianforums.com/t95378-falsifications-of-the-worldwide-flood.html

Here are 20 right out of the shoot. Of course A4C has me (and this evidence) on ignore.

thanks, you can read that for starters and im sure theres more

 

[rmwilliamsll]

Well I am sure we would all appreciate you bringing us back some evidence that there wasn't a global flood when (if) you can find some.

Australia.
both biogeography and continuity for greater than 10K years.


SJG once was asked if life was a videotape, if it was played again would it be the same thing. His reply was that it has played again, that is Australia, and the answer is a big no, you won't see the same creatures unfold.



......

 

[A4C]

Please describe what would be the defining characteristics of flood deposited sediments. Specifically what would be their grain size, composition, organisation, structures and distribution?



Please describe what would be the mechanism for upheaval of freshly laid down sediments by receding flood waters? What is the driving force behind such upheaval?
What are the defining characteristics of a sink hole?




Please give published examples of such a distribution of fossils without a logical sequence.

Please also explain the widely reported distribution of fossils which do show a logical sequence.




Please indicate which particular fossil fuel deposits that you would equate to having been produced in the flood. This will go at least some way to defining which section(s) of the geological rock record you would equate to flood deposits.



What type of limestones are these and which particular limestones are you referring to?

Do you have any idea how limestones are deposited.



Please provide geographical locations for these deposits.



Please describe which species became extinct. An exhaustive list is not necessary just some general indications would be sufficient for now. Please describe how these species became extinct.



Please list the locations of these civilisations,the dates at which they were buried and how those dates were determined.



Please list these legends, the geographical location and dates from which they originate. be sure to provide evidence that they are descibing a global flood that destroyed all life on earth, rather than a local flood.



Those are not evidence they are claims. Please provide the evidence to back each of those claims.

Perhaps I will invite you to buy a copy of my book when I write it . I think I will call it "Geology by somebody without a head full of geology". It will have all the information you need . In the meantime perhaps you might like to start your research project here

 

[Loudmouth]

Perhaps I will invite you to buy a copy of my book when I write it . I think I will call it "Geology by somebody without a head full of geology". It will have all the information you need .

Why would I read a book on geology written by somebody with no knowledge of geology? I might as well read "Jogging is Fun by Stephen Hawking".

In the meantime perhaps you might like to start your research project here

Why would I go to a site that offers absolutely no original research?