Scientific proof of flood.

[HRE]

Tell me, duordi, what is the denser liquid material they are discussing in that website you referred to?

 

[duordi]

All you need to do now is submit your paper to a peer-reviewed geology journal and wait for the Nobel Committee to call.

Ha!
I appreciate your support.
Ha! Ha!

Duane

 

[duordi]

Out of curiosity, why did the erosion cut such a windy canyon?

How many mountain peaks do you know that are not windy?

But wind impacts all serfaces.

Only waves can vary erosion with elevation.

Duane

 

[Phred]

But the erosion is similar to the very peak so how high it went is unknown.

How high what went? You still haven't proven there was a flood.

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[Vastavus]

How many mountain peaks do you know that are not windy?

But wind impacts all serfaces.

Only waves can vary erosion with elevation.

Duane

You totally forget plate tectonics, and the fact that rock has varying degrees of hardness.

The classic scale for hardness was published in 1822 by Frederick Mohs, an Austrian mineralogist who got the basic concept from scratch tests performed routinely by miners. Since Mohs published the scale, it bears his name rather than that of the unknown genius who thought of it. The scale selects 10 minerals as standards, arranging in order of increasing hardness. These are, as most of you probably know:

1 = Talc 2 = Gypsum 3 = Calcite 4 = Fluorite 5 = Apatite (fluorapatite) 6 = Orthoclase 7 = Quartz 8 = Topaz 9 = Corundum 10 = Diamond These minerals were selected for their abundance, as well as their differing hardness. The scale is uneven. For example. diamond at 10 is much harder then corundum at 9, while fluorite at 4 is only slightly higher than calcite at 3.

A more limited but practical scale can be easily and cheaply obtained by observing that
....your fingernail has a hardness of 2.5, ....a penny has a hardness of about 3.5, ....glass and a steel nail have nearly equal hardnesses of 5.5 and ....a streak plate has a hardness of 6.5.

http://www.rockhounds.com/rockshop/hardness1.html

 

[Arikay]

Curvy.

Along with that, how did the flood lay down all the different layers in the canyon, allow them to harden, and then erode them away?

How many mountain peaks do you know that are not windy?

But wind impacts all serfaces.

Only waves can vary erosion with elevation.

Duane

 

[duordi]

In your picture, (Of Bryce Canyon) the formations are far to delicate to be formed by the destructive forces of a global ocean, the "hoodoos" as they are called, would have been destroyed. It was a mixture of water, ice, and a long period of time. It didn't happen instantly.

from http://www.desertusa.com/mag03/feb/hoodo.html

How did the wind and ice know to put that neck in every structure at the same exact height.

And make the separation between the pillars the same distance.

Are you going to tell me the rock grain runs vertically and horizontal at the same time.

If the rock was really weak at the neck it would not be common to have it remain in so many places so identically without breaking off and falling.

But if the erosion was by water and the rock strength is relatively constant then the amount of material removed and the tunneling between the peaks would be almost exactly the same as it depends on the number and condition of wave strikes.

The size of the average wave can even be determined by the distance between columns.

The necks would be as strong as the rest of the structure causing the structure to be physically sound and consistent in its form.

This picture is not a product of wind and ice.

Thank you for your help!

Duane

 

[notto]

How did the wind and ice know to put that neck in every structure at the same exact height.

Because not all of the layers have the same density or strength. Some will erode more on every 'structure', some less. Whether it is water, wind, or ice - the pattern isn't surprising. Not all of the layers are the same material.

 

[Vastavus]

How did the wind and ice know to put that neck in every structure at the same exact height

And make the separation between the pillars the same distance

How would the waves to this?

Are you going to tell me the rock grain runs vertically and horizontal at the same time

If the rock was really weak at the neck it would not be common to have it remain in so many places so identically without breaking off and falling.

But if the erosion was by water and the rock strength is relatively constant then the amount of material removed and the tunneling between the peaks would be almost exactly the same as it depends on the number and condition of wave strikes.

The size of the average wave can even be determined by the distance between columns.

The necks would be as strong as the rest of the structure causing the structure to be physically sound and consistent in its form.

This picture is not a product of wind and ice.

Thank you for your help!

Here is a more in depth explaination, with pictures!

Formational Process:
Hoodoos are formed by two weathering processes that continuously work together in eroding the edges of the Paunsaugunt Plateau. The primary weathering force at Bryce Canyon is frost wedging. Here we experience over 200 freeze/thaw cycles each year. In the winter, melting snow, in the form of water, seeps into the cracks and freezes at night. When water freezes it expands by almost 10%, bit by bit prying opening cracks, making them ever wider in the same way a pothole forms in a paved road.

In addition to frost wedging, what little rain we get here also sculpts the hoodoos. Even the crystal clear air of Bryce Canyon creates slightly acidic rainwater. This weak carbonic acid can slowly dissolve limestone grain by grain. It is this process that rounds the edges of hoodoos and gives them their lumpy and bulging profiles. Where internal mudstone and siltstone layers interrupt the limestone, you can expect the rock to be more resistant to the chemical weathering because of the comparative lack of limestone. Many of the more durable hoodoos are capped with a special kind of magnesium rich limestone called dolomite. Dolomite, being fortified by the mineral magnesium, dissolves at a much slower rate, and consequently protects the weaker limestone underneath it in the same way a construction worker is protected by his/her hardhat.

Rain is also the chief source of erosion (the actual removal of the debris). In the summer, monsoon type rainstorms, travel through the Bryce Canyon region bringing short duration high intensity rain.

If this didn't answer all your questions, you can read more here...
http://www.nps.gov/brca/geology_hoodoos.html

 

[duordi]

Curvy.

Along with that, how did the flood lay down all the different layers in the canyon, allow them to harden, and then erode them away?

A very good question.

I believe the Bible teaches the Cosmos is old, which includes Earth.

And only the Earth remodel and life is Young (6000) years.

So I have a billion years to make rock.

I am not familiar enough with the strata in the Grand Canyon to speak to that any further but I am listening if you know.

Duane

 

[duordi]

Because not all of the layers have the same density or strength. Some will erode more on every 'structure', some less. Whether it is water, wind, or ice - the pattern isn't surprising. Not all of the layers are the same material.

How did it make the vertical devisions?
Are you going to tell me the rock grain runs vertical and horizontal at the same time?
This is caused by the way waves crest at certain distances after a first impact.

Duane

 

[Vastavus]

How did it make the vertical devisions?
Are you going to tell me the rock grain runs vertical and horizontal at the same time?
This is caused by the way waves crest at certain distances after a first impact.

Duane

Look at my post on the last page, click the link. It will answer your questions.

http://www.nps.gov/brca/geology_hoodoos.html

 

[notto]

How did it make the vertical devisions?
Are you going to tell me the rock grain runs vertical and horizontal at the same time?
This is caused by the way waves crest at certain distances after a first impact.

Duane

Or, erosion started through cracks and left pillars standing. Something we can still see happening today.

I don't think your wave crest explanation explains the evidence. Can you be a bit more specific? Where did you get this information?

 

[duordi]

Tell me, duordi, what is the denser liquid material they are discussing in that website you referred to?

The liquid molten layer below the earths crust and the oceans crust is what you are speaking of I believe.

The continents "float" on it, and so do the oceans.

The crust under the oceans is thinner.

Some believe the dirt in land is lighter then water and floats higher.

Some believe the land is just thicker and so it floats higher like an iceberg floats higher out of the water then compared to thin surface water ice.

But regardless continents move until they reach an equilibrium as they float in the magma layer.

Duane

 

[duordi]

Look at my post on the last page, click the link. It will answer your questions.

http://www.nps.gov/brca/geology_hoodoos.html

The picture was nice.

But this idea would cause a random condition, not a consistent distance.

The more vertical columns you have in a row the more the measurement between the columns is remarkably the same because the redundance of the wave pattern will be reinforced due to wave interference.

Different materials at another location a distance away will still have the exact pattern of column distance because the waves are the same size.

If what was proposed was true the neck of the structure would be the weakest material causing the structure to break and fall as often as not.

These are remarkably redundant showing they were sculptured into a consistently hard rock at the neck making them very consistent even when the neck is very thin.

Duane

 

[duordi]

Or, erosion started through cracks and left pillars standing. Something we can still see happening today.

I don't think your wave crest explanation explains the evidence. Can you be a bit more specific? Where did you get this information?

But this idea would cause a random condition, not a consistent distance.

The more vertical columns you have in a row the more the measurement between the columns is remarkably the same because the redundance of the wave pattern will be reinforced due to wave interference.

Different materials at another location a distance away will still have the exact pattern of column distance because the waves are the same size.

If what was proposed was true the neck of the structure would be the weakest material causing the structure to break and fall as often as not.

These are remarkably redundant showing they were sculptured into a consistently hard rock at the neck making them very consistent even when the neck is very thin.

Duane

 

[notto]

But this idea would cause a random condition, not a consistent distance.

The more vertical columns you have in a row the more the measurement between the columns is remarkably the same because the redundance of the wave pattern will be reinforced due to wave interference.

Duane

Can you provide these measurments that are remakably the same? What was your sample size? What were the measurments? Where is the data?

 

[leccy]

The liquid molten layer below the earths crust and the oceans crust is what you are speaking of I believe.

The continents "float" on it, and so do the oceans.

The crust under the oceans is thinner.

Some believe the dirt in land is lighter then water and floats higher.

Some believe the land is just thicker and so it floats higher like an iceberg floats higher out of the water then compared to thin surface water ice.

But regardless continents move until they reach an equilibrium as they float in the magma layer.

Duane

Some believe dirt in land is lighter than water and floats higher? Are you implying that the land is floating on water?

 

[duordi]

Can you provide these measurments that are remakably the same? What was your sample size? What were the measurments? Where is the data?

I can see the picture.

How much more do I need to prove it wasn't random.

Unless of course you want to calcualte the average wave length of the surface water.


Duane

 

[notto]

I can see the picture.

How much more do I need to prove it wasn't random.

Unless of course you want to calcualte the average wave length of the surface water.


Duane

That's your evidence? I'm sorry I asked. Which picture shows The more vertical columns you have in a row the more the measurement between the columns is remarkably the same.