Science vs. Evolution

[Cassiterides]

Agreed. I'm quite curious how a parody website (emphasis on, um, PARODY) is meant to show that flat-earthers are largely atheists.

Look at all the atheists in this thread, all are here for parody. Look at Tanzanos, Sithdoughnut avatars and signitures. Nothing about them is serious, they just use this forum for parody attempts. I've said this before, Atheism is an internet trend and phenomenom (for parody and internet trolling purpose), in real life it hardly exists.

 

[Hespera]

Funny, since you guys have failed to prove evolution for over 90 pages, and yet you call me a parrot.

Funny how theocreos never can understand that a scientific theory cannot be proven.

or that nothing can be demonstrated to a closed mind.

If some dont for whatever reason have the capacity to understand the ToE or the evidence that supports it, that is about them not about other people, nor about science, nor about the nature or reality.

 

[Hespera]

Look at all the atheists in this thread, all are here for parody. Look at Tanzanos, Sithdoughnut avatars and signitures. Nothing about them is serious, they just use this forum for parody attempts. I've said this before, Atheism is an internet trend and phenomenom (for parody and internet trolling purpose), in real life it hardly exists.

Interesting. I'd hardly encountered a creationist, and never one of these really extreme ones of the hydroplate sort, until I discovered them on the internet. Naturally i got curious to study their habits.

i learned about things like the flood waters going to neptune to warn off inbound rogue angles. wow.

I dont know more than a couple of Christians, and they are of the sane variety. Nearly everyone I know is an atheist, with not the slightest interest in what christians in general or creationists in particular think.

There are about a billion people back home who are also atheists.

At the University of Beijing, say, people do their research without any concern or often enough even awareness that their are cultists out there who think there was this big flood, or the world is 6000 years old.

You might get a condescending laugh if you told them.

 

[Cabal]

Look at all the atheists in this thread, all are here for parody.

So they were parodying then? So your FES point was irrelevant, as we pointed out.

Look at Tanzanos, Sithdoughnut avatars and signitures. Nothing about them is serious, they just use this forum for parody attempts. I've said this before, Atheism is an internet trend and phenomenom (for parody and internet trolling purpose), in real life it hardly exists.

That's nice. That's exactly what I tell myself about ridiculous creationism. Unfortunately while my immediate experience (because thank the Lord I live in the UK where creationists are a deserved minority, and that's how they're going to stay) matches up with that, I'm well aware that things you don't like don't go away despite how much you might want them to, so your denial of atheists is duly noted and discarded.

Having been here a lot longer than you have, I can assure you they are genuine - and quite frankly most of the creationist ideas presented here are begging to be parodied from the word go, they certainly don't have anything remotely serious about them.

 

[Cassiterides]

Interesting. I'd hardly encountered a creationist, and never one of these really extreme ones of the hydroplate sort, until I discovered them on the internet. Naturally i got curious to study their habits.

There are creationist museums and thousands of creationists organisations.

Who has ever been to an atheist museum? And atheist organisations are hardly in existance...

Creationism is a real movement, Atheism is an embarrassing internet movement which has a lack of support.

 

[Cabal]

There are creationist museums and thousands of creationists organisations.

And literally tens of people who actually care!

Who has ever been to an atheist museum? And atheist organisations are hardly in existance...

Yeah, they're called "museums" - museums are kinda silent on the whole existence of God issue, they tend to just present artefacts and explanations, so why would there need to be an outright atheistic museum? It's only creationists who can't seem to get a grip on reality and need to create their own alternate pockets of it to try and reassure themselves.

As for atheist organisations, you need to get a bit more....

Creationism is a real movement, Atheism is an embarrassing internet movement which has a lack of support.

And denial isn't just a river in Egypt.

 

[Hespera]

There are creationist museums and thousands of creationists organisations.

Who has ever been to an atheist museum? And atheist organisations are hardly in existance...

Creationism is a real movement, Atheism is an embarrassing internet movement which has a lack of support.

Thousands and thousands of mosques too.

I know creationism is a real "movement'. So is the Taliban.

You are wrong, of course, about the lack of support for atheism. In your little church, maybe. Go visit China sometime, and see how much support your silly "movement' gets.

 

[SithDoughnut]

Funny, since you guys have failed to prove evolution for over 90 pages, and yet you call me a parrot.

Evolution cannot be proven. No one is trying to do that.

 

[tanzanos]

You keep repeating this, but nowhere does the Bible specifically say ''the earth is flat'' or the ''earth is round''. So i think the topic is completely irrelevant, atheists only cling to it since they think it discredits the Bible (yet it's doesn't).

Chronicles 16:30: “He has fixed the earth firm, immovable.”​

Psalm 93:1: “Thou hast fixed the earth immovable and firm ...”​

Psalm 96:10: “He has fixed the earth firm, immovable ...”​

Psalm 104:5: “Thou didst fix the earth on its foundation so that it never can be shaken.”​

Isaiah 45:18: “...who made the earth and fashioned it, and himself fixed it fast...”

Now we all know that the Earth is not stationary don't we!

4:10-11. In Daniel, the king “saw a tree of great height at the centre of the earth...reaching with its top to the sky and visible to the earth's farthest bounds.” This would be only possible if the earth was flat.

Also in numerous occasions there is mention of the four corners of the Earth. Not possible on a sphere!

Now before I bother to bring forth more from the Bible; You do realise that this is bronze age superstitions and far from scientific by any standards.

Do you think NASA and all the space agencies are stupid and your bronze age goat herders book can refute astro physics?
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[Doveaman]

Funny how theocreos never can understand that a scientific theory cannot be proven.

What do you mean by "a scientific theory cannot be proven"?

 

[Split Rock]

What do you mean by "a scientific theory cannot be proven"?

In science we do not "prove" anything. Often we will say that "proof is for alcohol and mathematics." We can gather data, experiment and test the predictions of a theory, but can never say it is "proven." What we can do is disprove or falsify a theory or hypothesis. Even if a theory is well accepted, features predictions that are born out, and has failed to be falsified, it is still considered to be provisional. In other words, we never exclude the possibility that a theory may be falsified in the future.

 

[Hespera]

What do you mean by "a scientific theory cannot be proven"?

Honest enough question.

Take something pretty simple, like say Hess' law.

It says that the energy change in an overall chemical reactions is equal to the sum of the energy changes in the individual reactions that make up that change.

But this is a very important point here:

Hess' law is true under all known circumstances.

That does not mean that it has been or can be PROVEN that from the beginning to the end of time, in all parts of the universe under all possible conditions that Hess' law will still always hold true.

Maybe it does, maybe it does not. We will never know.

Ok so far?

The ToE is supported by all known evidence that is applicable. Said support comes from all of fhe hard sciences.

No contrary evidence has ever been generated, there is no contrary data from any scientific inquiry anywhere.

That being the case, the ToE does very well, as a theory.

It cannot be proven that there lurks nowhere the precambrian bunny to spoil it all.


It is a vanishingly small chance that anyone will ever find an exception to Hess' law. Likewise with ToE. Or some several other laws and theories in science.

Talk of "proof" tho, is for alcoholic spirits, and math. In science, one does not speak of proving things.
(added later...yes, that IS often said, but apparently hardly often enough!)

Does that explain it?

 

[Cassiterides]

Chronicles 16:30: “He has fixed the earth firm, immovable.”
Psalm 93:1: “Thou hast fixed the earth immovable and firm ...”
Psalm 96:10: “He has fixed the earth firm, immovable ...”
Psalm 104:5: “Thou didst fix the earth on its foundation so that it never can be shaken.”
Isaiah 45:18: “...who made the earth and fashioned it, and himself fixed it fast...”

All these reference the creation of the earth and how it was in it's original state. How do you know the earth in it's original form had an axial tilt? The tilt (spinning) is the product of the seasons, yet if there was no tilt then there would be no seasons and a perrennial climate and conditions.

Interestingly in all ancient myths worldwide there is reference to a perfect primeval climate, the seasons are said to be the result of an catastrophic event that caused the tilt.

Again, all you are doing is following the same evolutionist assumption ''the present is the key to the past'', how do you know it was? Do you have a time-machine?

Now we all know that the Earth is not stationary don't we!

How do you know it wasn't originally?

4:10-11. In Daniel, the king “saw a tree of great height at the centre of the earth...reaching with its top to the sky and visible to the earth's farthest bounds.” This would be only possible if the earth was flat.

I haven't much heard this specific quote before, but i'll look into it.

Also in numerous occasions there is mention of the four corners of the Earth. Not possible on a sphere!

How are they not possible? Aren't mainstream scientists in agreement the poles are flattened?

 

[Cabal]

Again, all you are doing is following the same evolutionist assumption ''the present is the key to the past'', how do you know it was? Do you have a time-machine?

I thought alleged historical accounts didn't require a time machine in order to make claims involving them? Or are you saying you need a time machine to read a book now?

How are they not possible? Aren't mainstream scientists in agreement the poles are flattened?

Neither spheres nor oblate spheroids have corners.

 

[Hespera]

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All these reference the creation of the earth and how it was in it's original state. How do you know the earth in it's original form had an axial tilt? The tilt (spinning) is the product of the seasons, yet if there was no tilt then there would be no seasons and a perrennial climate and conditions.

Interestingly in all ancient myths worldwide there is reference to a perfect primeval climate, the seasons are said to be the result of an catastrophic event that caused the tilt.

Again, all you are doing is following the same evolutionist assumption ''the present is the key to the past'', how do you know it was? Do you have a time-machine?

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How do you know it wasn't originally?

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I haven't much heard this specific quote before, but i'll look into it.

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How are they not possible? Aren't mainstream scientists in agreement the poles are flattened?

Interestingly in all ancient myths worldwide there is reference to a perfect primeval climate, the seasons are said to be the result of an catastrophic event that caused the tilt.

You have made two false statement here. Would you care to correct them?

 

[Cassiterides]

Interestingly in all ancient myths worldwide there is reference to a perfect primeval climate, the seasons are said to be the result of an catastrophic event that caused the tilt.

You have made two false statement here. Would you care to correct them?

What false statements?

 

[Hespera]

What false statements?

Seriously?

Interestingly in all ancient myths worldwide there is reference to a perfect primeval climate, the seasons are said to be the result of an catastrophic event that caused the tilt.

>>>>>>>>>ALL<<<<<<<<< ancient myths? ALL?

and that they therein say " seasons are... the result of an catastrophic event that caused the tilt."


so would you now care to correct these statements?

 

[AV1611VET]

The Big Bang did it ---- Case Closed!

The Big Bang is a theory -- that means the trial is still in progress.

You might say: The Big Bang did it -- I rest my case;

but "case closed" is a little much.

 

[Cabal]

The Big Bang is a theory -- that means the trial is still in progress.

You might say: The Big Bang did it -- I rest my case;

but "case closed" is a little much.

As it is coming from you with your personal interpretation of a text and no forensic evidence.

 

[Cassiterides]

so would you now care to correct these statements?

What evidence do you have my statements are false?