Science vs. Evolution

[Archaeopteryx]

Oh please. There are ten pieces of evidence cited per page, you just refuse to acknowledge them. Fossils are presented, and you reject them as supporting evolution because you don't believe their age. Why? Because the age is given by evolutionists.
You literally reject the evidence for supporting evolution because it supports evolution. Ipso facto, there is literally nothing we can present that you won't reject.

So I have nothing more to gain by lurking.
Tara.

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QFT.

More than enough evidence has been presented. But even if we created some elaborate time machine to show evolution in action he would reject the evidence out-right. Why? Because it was presented by evolutionists and/or supports evolution. This is one of those threads where the OP will constantly shift the goal-posts to suit his own conclusions. He's not here for searching for evidence; it's more apt to say that he is after something that will stroke a confirmation bias.

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

The modern internet based flat-earthism is, it's a parody movement based though with a deeper objective of solipsism. However i know for a fact there are real genuine flat earth believers not tied to Shenton's parody still in existence. You won't find these real flat earth believers on the internet though, since they are extreme traditionalist neo-luddites (technophobes) who even reject to use electricity. Charles K. Johnson the original leader of the FES, had no electricity or running water in his home.

Johnson was quite a character and he was no doubt very serious about his beliefs
The Flat-out Truth

I don't know if he has any followers still around or not.
However, the modern geocentrists are serious, including Malcolm Bowden whose book cover is featured at the beginning of one of your UTube creationist vids and Gerardus Bouw who has a Ph.D. in Astronomy.
Geocentricity

 

[AV1611VET]

I don't know if he has any followers still around or not.

Does anyone really care?

I've heard the earth is flat, round, pear-shaped, a sphere, a sphereoid, and has a twin on the other side of the sun.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

That's the thing about hardcore Young Earth Creationists. You can present them with an over-abundance of evidence for evolution, and they will still reject it in favour of a scarcity of evidence for YEC. You can bring a horse to water but you can't make him drink.

 

[Belk]

Who cares -- we're talking about supporting evidence.

Finding out they were wrong came later -- oftentimes, after the damage was done.

So the fact that some Christians where wrong in their interpretation of the bible is of no consequence since they where not true Christians? But if a scientest got something wrong at some point is a major issue?

How exactly does that work again AV?

 

[AV1611VET]

That's the thing about hardcore Young Earth Creationists. You can present them with an over-abundance of evidence for evolution, and they will still reject it in favour of a scarcity of evidence for YEC.

Present it to me.

I'll reject it in favor of zero evidence.

A scarcity of evidence is a scarcity of evidence too much.

 

[AV1611VET]

So the fact that some Christians where wrong in their interpretation of the bible is of no consequence since they where not true Christians?

Who says they even used the Bible to support a flat earth?

They may have been catering to their scientists, who were probably on their payroll.

 

[Belk]

Who says they even used the Bible to support a flat earth?

They may have been catering to their scientists, who were probably on their payroll.

Who says I was talking about a flat earth?

 

[Nathan Poe]

Present it to me.

I'll reject it in favor of zero evidence.

A scarcity of evidence is a scarcity of evidence too much.

So, you prefer ego to evidence -- no surprise.

 

[tanzanos]

I don't know why this flat earth debate always gets brought up on creation vs. evolution debates, but most modern 'flat earther's are atheists.

Daniel Shenton president of the 'Flat Earth Society' is an atheist who believes in the theory of evolution.

It seems modern flat earth belief seems mostly to be a front for atheism.

Check the Bible and see for yourself!

Trying to teach a creationist science is like trying to teach a blind man photography!

 

[interested in life]

It's not an unreasonable point, but given that established lines of descent tend to trace over millions of years and several geological layers, for this to hold any weight you'd have to have every single supporting fossil being that of a mutant. One is possible - but only finding mutants, over those kind of timescales? Hardly likely at all.

Id like to explore this further especially focussing on the"established layers of descent"

1.We have established you cant read intelligence from fragments,so why are you still claiming theres an established line of descent from monkeys to man.You havent taken in what ive been saying.

.2.You keep repeating that fossils are supporting,yet im saying the method used is faulty.How can they be supporting if what ive said is true?

.3.Over millions of years you say?Firstly you need to realise 1 million years of primates evolving,breeding and getting more intelligent,there would be conclusive evidence.Why was there a need for piltdown man?

 

[tanzanos]

Id like to explore this further especially focussing on the"established layers of descent"

1.We have established you cant read intelligence from fragments,so why are you still claiming theres an established line of descent from monkeys to man.You havent taken in what ive been saying.

We did not come from monkeys. You have to understand that monkeys and apes (this includes the humans) have a common ancestor.

.2.You keep repeating that fossils are supporting,yet im saying the method used is faulty.How can they be supporting if what ive said is true?

Are you a palaeontologist? If yes then please provide us with your evidence?

.3.Over millions of years you say?Firstly you need to realise 1 million years of primates evolving,breeding and getting more intelligent,there would be conclusive evidence.Why was there a need for piltdown man?

You really need to read the ToE before you comment on evolution. Are you a Biologist? Do you have knowledge of genetics? Are you versed in chemistry? If not then do take the time to read and learn otherwise what you say only betrays your ignorance on the subject at hand!

 

[AV1611VET]

You have to understand that monkeys and apes (this includes the humans) have a common ancestor.

Which is?

 

[Archaeopteryx]

1.We have established you cant read intelligence from fragments,so why are you still claiming theres an established line of descent from monkeys to man.You havent taken in what ive been saying.

Actually, we've established the opposite, that you can read intelligence from the given data.

 

[interested in life]

Actually, we've established the opposite, that you can read intelligence from the given data.

You cannot.Im going to test that by getting pictures of skulls and fragments.You can tell me how they fit in relation to each other.Lets see if thats true what you claim.
If you cant read and tell me more about what im going to present.I think its only fair and a demonstration of your integrity that you should leave.
Because you and others have argued for how long? that skull and fragment reading is possible.
I have to see this.
Agree to this deal,you get it right ill leave,you cant .you leave.

 

[tanzanos]

You cannot.Im going to test that by getting pictures of skulls and fragments.You can tell me how they fit in relation to each other.Lets see if thats true what you claim.
If you cant read and tell me more about what im going to present.I think its only fair and a demonstration of your integrity that you should leave.
Because you and others have argued for how long? that skull and fragment reading is possible.
I have to see this.
Agree to this deal,you get it right ill leave,you cant .you leave.

Perhaps it is you who should leave. You have no credentials in any pertinent scientific field and yet you dismiss science outright. You give the impression that your only aim here is to troll this thread.

 

[tanzanos]

Which is?

Evolution did it ---- case closed!

 

[interested in life]

Evolution did it ---- case closed!

Heh ok.My post stands,just its not for you.No need to reply to me.

 

[laconicstudent]

Evolution did it ---- case closed!

Proceedings of the National Academy of the Sciences said it, I believe it, that settles it.


(A play on another particular line. I think we can all guess)

 

[tanzanos]

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The way you posted that; Someone would think it was me who wrote that. Do the right thing and correct it as it is very rude to falsely quote a poster.