Science insulting the image of Jesus

[TLK Valentine]

My gosh... what a insult!

Do you deny that Jesus was fully and completely human?

 

[dfw69]

Question, are you suggesting that the risen Jesus is no longer human? Actually a strict reading here would suggest to me that you believe Jesus was a human being who underwent a kind of apotheosis after the resurrection. From a traditional and orthodox Christian perspective this looks a lot like the heresy of Adoptionism.

The orthodox position being that Jesus is the eternal Son of the Father, the Logos, who became flesh in the womb of Mary and thus truly human. He is therefore both God and human in perfect union without a confusion of the natures nor a separation--the one Person of Jesus is fully human and fully God; the Incarnation means that God has joined Himself to His creation (man) forever. Jesus, the God-Man, reigns at the right hand of the Father and will come again at the end. The same Jesus--body, soul, and divinity--born of the Virgin's womb is the same Jesus who reigns with the Father in glory, and is the same Jesus who will come at the conclusion of all things. Any other idea than this is regarded as a significant and very serious Christological heresy.

-CryptoLutheran

Can Jesus be killed?..can God be killed...I don't think so...they cannot die ...so incorruptible...no longer human...when Jesus returns he will not be human but God ...

 

[TLK Valentine]

Can Jesus be killed?..can God be killed...I don't think so...they cannot die ...so incorruptible...no longer human...when Jesus returns he will not be human but God ...

Was he human the first time around?

 

[ViaCrucis]

Can Jesus be killed?..can God be killed...I don't think so...they cannot die ...so incorruptible...no longer human...when Jesus returns he will not be human but God ...

God--Jesus--was killed. He was crucified.

Jesus, raised from the dead, has been raised incorruptible, just as we will be raised incorruptible on the Last Day.

this is kind of the whole point of the Christian religion: "We believe in Jesus Christ, God's only-begotten Son, our Lord, who was conceived by the Holy Spirit, born of the Virgin Mary, suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died, and was buried, He descended into the depths. On the third day He rose again; He ascended into heaven, He is seated at the right hand of the Father, from whence He shall come to judge the living and the dead. ... We believe ... in the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body, and the life everlasting. Amen." (the Apostles' Creed)

On the Last Day when we are raised incorruptible and immortal we aren't going to stop being human, we'll still very much be human, solid, flesh, bodied, etc. Just as Christ, raised from the dead, has been raised incorruptible and glorified being still--and forever--the one and only God-Man. To say otherwise is explicitly heretical. Jesus hasn't ceased to be Jesus.

Emphasizing only the "spiritual" over and against the material is one of the fundamental errors of Gnosticism.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[ViaCrucis]

My gosh... what a insult!

Why is the image insulting?

Over 300 posts in this thread and I've yet to see an argument as to why it is insulting.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[JGG]

Why is the image insulting?

Over 300 posts in this thread and I've yet to see an argument as to why it is insulting.

-CryptoLutheran

Hi. Welcome to the club.

 

[dfw69]

Was he human the first time around?

Of course...but now he is glorified...

 

[dfw69]

God--Jesus--was killed. He was crucified.

he was human ...his body was killed...his spirit was not killed

Jesus, raised from the dead, has been raised incorruptible, just as we will be raised incorruptible on the Last Day.

this is kind of the whole point of the Christian religion: "We believe in Jesus Christ, God's only-begotten Son, our Lord, who was conceived by the Holy Spirit, born of the Virgin Mary, suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died, and was buried, He descended into the depths. On the third day He rose again; He ascended into heaven, He is seated at the right hand of the Father, from whence He shall come to judge the living and the dead. ... We believe ... in the forgiveness of sins, the resurrection of the body, and the life everlasting. Amen." (the Apostles' Creed)

He will not return as a man or human...if your looking for a human to return you might end up in the arms of a false messiah...he is a God...and was God from the beginning...who became man...but is now God with flesh and bones

On the Last Day when we are raised incorruptible and immortal we aren't going to stop being human, we'll still very much be human, solid, flesh, bodied, etc. Just as Christ, raised from the dead, has been raised incorruptible and glorified being still--and forever--the one and only God-Man. To say otherwise is explicitly heretical. Jesus hasn't ceased to be Jesus.

You like flashing that heresy card a lot...

He is no longer human ...does a human have flames of fire for eyes and a face that shines as the sun?...can a human ascend and descend from heaven to earth?

Emphasizing only the "spiritual" over and against the material is one of the fundamental errors of Gnosticism.

-CryptoLutheran

Shoot your not the first to judge me in error

 

[Arcangl86]

Translation: That picture is ugly -> I don't think Jesus was ugly -> I think that this picture is meant to represent Jesus -> therefor, this picture is calling Jesus ugly, which is insulting to Jesus.

I also think the issue is that this image wasn't designed as an icon or other devotional aid, and thus was an insult.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Of course...but now he is glorified...

A glorified what?

 

[dfw69]

A glorified what?

Glorified man...to be like God

 

[TLK Valentine]

Glorified man...to be like God

A glorified human, then.

 

[dfw69]

A glorified human, then.

Yes

 

[JGG]

Yes

Is God just a glorified human then?

 

[dfw69]

Is God just a glorified human then?

Sort of.. yes...




Jesus God and the holy spirit were never create..they never had a beginning...being god

But humanity had a beginning...we were created mortal...God is immortal ...we will be immortal too if you keep the Faith in Jesus

 

[mmksparbud]

(Joh 20:17) Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

Mary could nit touch Hi before He appesared to His Father.


(Luk 24:39) Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

(Luk 24:40) And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.

He retained His humanity after His resurrection.

 

[TLK Valentine]

(Joh 20:17) Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

Mary could nit touch Hi before He appesared to His Father.

Funny how only John mentions this...

 

[mmksparbud]

Funny how only John mentions this...

And what does that matter?? Each if the 4 gospels is from a slightly different perspective. What is you point?

 

[TLK Valentine]

And what does that matter?? Each if the 4 gospels is from a slightly different perspective. What is you point?

Slightly different? There's a reason John's not considered a synoptic Gospel...

 

[mmksparbud]

My condolences to those who do not.