Science falsely so called documentary

[DogmaHunter]

A better wording would be "anything not living anywhere, become something living."
Or perhaps a theory of why something non-living would turn into something living.
Or perhaps a scientific theory or idea or model that non-living material would follow
that would cause it to become living.

I imagine there are hundreds of influencing factors that would cause chemicals to become living material. (Lets exclude "lightning" from the Frankenstein movies, just for now)
So has anyone made up the list yet?

You could also just google for the hypothesis currently on the table / under investigation in the field of abiogenesis

 

[SkyWriting]

You could also just google for the hypothesis currently on the table / under investigation in the field of abiogenesis

Or you could provide it and show how wrong I am.
______________________________________?

I imagine you are being nice and trying not to embarass me.
Becasue that's your style.

 

[tas8831]

No need for religion. Just read any book on anatomy.

Like the 6 such books on the shelf behind me? The ones I have used to teach Human Anatomy and Physiology for 20 years? The ones I used to teach Comparative Vertebrate Anatomy for 10 years? Those books?

What about the 5 books I have on my shelf that I used to teach embryology?

Those are very helpful in understanding the oddities of adult anatomy.

Understanding all that stuff is how I knew that your naive proclamations about the gut and the larynx and the RLN were the sorts of things school-aged children might spew, or an egotistical creationist with a background in engineering. A dime a dozen...

The complexity and elegance bespeaks design and purpose; elements missing in evolution.

The argument from awe - so common among the ignorant. Even more so from those suffering from the Dunning-Kruger effect.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Or you could provide it and show how wrong I am.
______________________________________?

I imagine you are being nice and trying not to embarass me.
Becasue that's your style.

I'm not upto date with the field of abiogenesis, so I'll refrain from listing anything since I'll likely be inaccurate or just plain wrong.

I was just saying, if you really are interested, you should have no problem finding this information.

 

[SkyWriting]

He then lies about so-called "polystrate trees" which exist only in the minds of Creationists. The dude in the black suit (Pastor Dan or whatever) then talks to some dude and shows him a photo of a supposed polystrate tree.

There's just one problem, this is a piece of artwork, not an actual fossilized tree.

It's a small problem. Visit Yellowstone.

 

[SkyWriting]

I'm not upto date with the field of abiogenesis, so I'll refrain from listing anything since I'll likely be inaccurate or just plain wrong. I was just saying, if you really are interested, you should have no problem finding this information.

If you have a valid point to make, you should have no problem finding this information.
I'll help you out! Glad to help!

Origin of Life News

Chemical origin of life - Latest research and news | Nature
A protein that self-replicates -- ScienceDaily

Scientists find evidence for alternate theory of how life arose - Phys.org
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/02/180227111646.htm

 

[DogmaHunter]

It's a small problem. Visit Yellowstone.

A "problem" how, and for what, exactly?


"Polystrate" Tree Fossils

As that article states, explaining such fossils wasn't a problem as early as the late 19th century. They still aren't a problem today.

The only place where such fossils are a problem, seems to be in the ignorant minds of creationists.

 

[DogmaHunter]

If you have a valid point to make, you should have no problem finding this information.
I'll help you out! Glad to help!

Origin of Life News

Chemical origin of life - Latest research and news | Nature
A protein that self-replicates -- ScienceDaily

Scientists find evidence for alternate theory of how life arose - Phys.org

I already made my point.
That point was that you could easily look that information up yourself.
And I see you did just that. So good for you.

 

[SkyWriting]

I'm not upto date with the field of abiogenesis, so I'll refrain from listing anything since I'll likely be inaccurate or just plain wrong.

I was just saying, if you really are interested, you should have no problem finding this information.

You'll be surprised to hear that I've converted and no longer
am a Special Creationist. And I am surprised that I believe
in evolution, yet no valid theory exists for my belief in why
life developes or why it changed from it's beginnings to now.

I have no less dogma now than then. Wait. it's much worse
now. I don't even have dogma for evolution. No list of principles yet!
From any source. A least the Pope makes a list. Now that I believe
in not-Creation, I have nothing to explain why life creates itself
Why it happens! I got nothin.

 

[SkyWriting]

I already made my point.
That point was that you could easily look that information up yourself.
And I see you did just that. So good for you.

And there is nothing there for your list to explain why life happens or why it develops, or what chemical properties it's following, or nothing. I got nothin. Just more religion. And way less dogma becasue no list or principles exist explaining the reason life exists over non-life.

 

[USincognito]

I know you haven’t watched it but the whole thing is a festival of false claims and emotional appeals.

Who is the atheist fellow who gets interviewed? He doesn’t seem to be an expert on any of the subjects he’s questioned on.

He's some sort of Internet celeb - The Raging Atheist.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

It is not that hard to understand if one has an education. The only defense of creationists and other science deniers is to keep themselves totally ignorant. This is why you only have belief. You have no knowledge. Scientists can support their claims. Your sort of belief without evidence is simply not allowed in the sciences.

And I accept that.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

If you ask questions politely and properly people here will gladly explain the concept to you. Please, no leading questions. You won't be able to refute the theory with "gotcha questions".

I do appreciate that some here offer the science behind the theory without being sarcastic or rude.

 

[SkyWriting]

He's some sort of Internet celeb - The Raging Atheist.

I haven't compared him with other Atheists with YouTube channels yet, but we don't need to worry about this one. His video posts get very little notice and no sign of increasing popularity. He's had some video's in the thousands of views but that's dropping to the hundreds now. And a few thousand views for one video is nothing these days.
The Raging Atheist

Most posts here get more views than this guy gets on his videos.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Like the 6 such books on the shelf behind me? The ones I have used to teach Human Anatomy and Physiology for 20 years? The ones I used to teach Comparative Vertebrate Anatomy for 10 years? Those books?

What about the 5 books I have on my shelf that I used to teach embryology?

Those are very helpful in understanding the oddities of adult anatomy.

Understanding all that stuff is how I knew that your naive proclamations about the gut and the larynx and the RLN were the sorts of things school-aged children might spew, or an egotistical creationist with a background in engineering. A dime a dozen...


The argument from awe - so common among the ignorant. Even more so from those suffering from the Dunning-Kruger effect.

After 20 years I would think the light would go on.

"Argument from Awe"; guilty as charged. (I like that almost as much as 'argument from incredulity'.)

 

[SkyWriting]

He's some sort of Internet celeb - The Raging Atheist.

This group has more views
and is interesting:

 

[SkyWriting]

A "problem" how, and for what, exactly?

It is exactly a real problem for U SIN, the person who claimed they don't exist.
Not, you. You have all the answers.
Or none, in the case of the origin of life.

 

[DogmaHunter]

You'll be surprised to hear that I've converted and no longer
am a Special Creationist. And I am surprised that I believe
in evolution, yet no valid theory exists for my belief in why
life developes or why it changed from it's beginnings to now.

I have no less dogma now than then. Wait. it's much worse
now. I don't even have dogma for evolution. No list of principles yet!
From any source. A least the Pope makes a list. Now that I believe
in not-Creation, I have nothing to explain why life creates itself
Why it happens! I got nothin.

That's great!

Isn't it nice, to have questions and no answers while understanding that simply inventing something is not the way?

That is exactly the feeling that gives a scientist the motivation to get out of bed every morning. To find answers.


Having said that, I'm not fully with you in what you mean exactly with your "list" of evolution. Evolution is a pretty complete science. The principles that power the process of evolution are very well understood and very well evidenced.



May I ask though, what made you change your mind?

 

[DogmaHunter]

And there is nothing there for your list to explain why life happens or why it develops

Maybe, just maybe, "why" is the wrong question...
Maybe the correct question is "how".

As far as evolution goes, the "how" is very well answered.
Origins of life itself, is a work in progress.

That's fine. Every scientific problem that is solved already, was once in a state of "work in progress".

Just more religion

More quesions to be investigated and more work to be done.
There is nothing religious about science.

And way less dogma becasue no list or principles exist explaining the reason life exists over non-life.

The less dogma you have, the better it is.

 

[DogmaHunter]

It is exactly a real problem for U SIN, the person who claimed they don't exist.

Huh? Who claimed that polystrate fossils don't exist?
The one who did, was wrong.

Not, you. You have all the answers.
Or none, in the case of the origin of life.

I don't mind saying I don't know, when I don't know.
I like and value honesty.