School Prayer

[dreadnought]

Hermit76 did propose a better one, you just ignored it.

What did he say?

 

[Hermit76]

I don't see how a prayer is a prayer if it isn't directed at the Lord, and I think most people understand that. I don't think the Lord will punish us all for a few teachers who have strayed.

I ask the Blessed Theotokos (Mary) and the Saints for their intercessions multiple times each day. Most of the Christian world does this right along with me. They have done it since the times of the Apostles. Praying to Saints and especially Mary is an act that is historically a part of all Christians' lives up until 500 years ago. But that is not my point.

See... You say that Orthodox and Catholics have strayed and that their prayers are inappropriate. What you want really isn't Christian Prayer, but your version of evangelicalism. You want to teach the kids to be good little evangelicals. This really isn't about sin, but your desire to clone yourself in society. You are convinced that everyone who disagrees with you is hell bound. The truth is that what you want is to make an evangelical cult out of the schools.

 

[dreadnought]

Back before I knew better, yes. Now I realize that prayer
should be private, and the whole "going to church" thing
not necessarily what Jesus intended, either.

Yes, I know I probably tipped (yet another) sacred cow
with that statement, but there it is.

That said, prayer in churches, where it is expected and
welcomed, is far different from outward prayer in a
spiritually-mixed setting, such as a public school, where
not everyone is there for that reason. It's not ideal, for
reasons I've already shared, but it's also not the same
as praying openly in public schools or venues where
not everyone is on board with it.


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Paul told us to pray constantly. Jesus, I believe, was trying to make the point that you aren't supposed to be showing off when you pray. Prayer is serious business.

Are you using that as an excuse not to go to church? My church is a big part of my life. I spend half of each Monday doing maintenance chores at my church. It's a lot of fun.

 

[Hermit76]

Look at how the liberals are promoting homosexuality and "transgenderism." I wonder if anything like it has happened since Sodom and Gomorrah in biblical times.

Lol, Dude... You don't read history much. Yeah, it has happened a lot. Matter of fact it was worse at times. It was even around during the good ole days of the Great Awakenings. Nothing is new except that we have mass media that allows us to see past our own screen door.

 

[dreadnought]

I ask the Blessed Theotokos (Mary) and the Saints for their intercessions multiple times each day. Most of the Christian world does this right along with me. They have done it since the times of the Apostles. Praying to Saints and especially Mary is an act that is historically a part of all Christians' lives up until 500 years ago. But that is not my point.

See... You say that Orthodox and Catholics have strayed and that their prayers are inappropriate. What you want really isn't Christian Prayer, but your version of evangelicalism. You want to teach the kids to be good little evangelicals. This really isn't about sin, but your desire to clone yourself in society. You are convinced that everyone who disagrees with you is hell bound. The truth is that what you want is to make an evangelical cult out of the schools.

I don't pray to people - I pray to the Lord. I would have trouble backing a law requiring kids to listen while their teacher prays to people.

 

[dreadnought]

Lol, Dude... You don't read history much. Yeah, it has happened a lot. Matter of fact it was worse at times. It was even around during the good ole days of the Great Awakenings. Nothing is new except that we have mass media that allows us to see past our own screen door.

Actually, I have read some history, but I also know that the sexual immorality I see nowadays towers way above anything I saw before Barack Obama took office.

 

[Hermit76]

Actually, I have read some history, but I also know that the sexual immorality I see nowadays towers way above anything I saw before Barack Obama took office.

Well... there's your problem. You are looking at your few years on earth as though they are the entirety of human history.

 

[Yarddog]

They can do anything they want.

Not legally. If a Christian is denied the right to pray at school whenever it doesn't violate school policy for student behavior, they can sue the school board and win.

 

[Yarddog]

School prayer isn't going to change anything? I suspect over a period of time, it would change quite a lot.

School prayer was in existence in the US and the Colonies for 300 years and people still sinned just as badly as today.

 

[Hermit76]

I don't pray to people - I pray to the Lord. I would have trouble backing a law requiring kids to listen while their teacher prays to people.

Well, we pray to the Holy Trinity and we also pray to Saints and the Blessed Theotokos asking that they intercede (pray) for us. There are about 2.5 Billion Christians on this planet. About 2/3 of those Christians pray differently than you. They have prayed the way they do for 2000 years. Your church has a history that is only 234 years old. Yet, you say you want to re-institute Christianity back into society through prayers but you want to forbid the ancient Christian prayers. I know you are going to ignore this, but I'll say it anyway and then I'm gone.
You don't want to go back to anything. You want to create some kind of nostalgic America that has never existed. There never was a Christian society that operated on the teachings of Christ. There has always been sin, neglect, and corruption in our country. See, I wouldn't want any forced prayers in school because people like you would want to scold, embarrass, and ostracize me and my family for being members of historic Christianity. So, no, I do not want your protestant indoctrination forced on anyone.

 

[dreadnought]

Well... there's your problem. You are looking at your few years on earth as though they are the entirety of human history.

Well, I can compare what I see now with what I've seen since I was born in 1953. I'd say things have changed a lot in that span of time, especially over the last ten years.

 

[dreadnought]

Not legally. If a Christian is denied the right to pray at school whenever it doesn't violate school policy for student behavior, they can sue the school board and win.

A liberal judge will "interpret" the law as he/she sees fit.

 

[dreadnought]

School prayer was in existence in the US and the Colonies for 300 years and people still sinned just as badly as today.

I'm sure immorality runs in cycles, but in my 65 years, I've never seen anything as bad as this.

 

[dreadnought]

Well, we pray to the Holy Trinity and we also pray to Saints and the Blessed Theotokos asking that they intercede (pray) for us. There are about 2.5 Billion Christians on this planet. About 2/3 of those Christians pray differently than you. They have prayed the way they do for 2000 years. Your church has a history that is only 234 years old. Yet, you say you want to re-institute Christianity back into society through prayers but you want to forbid the ancient Christian prayers. I know you are going to ignore this, but I'll say it anyway and then I'm gone.
You don't want to go back to anything. You want to create some kind of nostalgic America that has never existed. There never was a Christian society that operated on the teachings of Christ. There has always been sin, neglect, and corruption in our country. See, I wouldn't want any forced prayers in school because people like you would want to scold, embarrass, and ostracize me and my family for being members of historic Christianity. So, no, I do not want your protestant indoctrination forced on anyone.

I don't pray to people, other than Jesus.

 

[Hermit76]

I don't pray to people, other than Jesus.

Yes, you have said that.

 

[Hermit76]

I'm sure immorality runs in cycles, but in my 65 years, I've never seen anything as bad as this.

Lol, only because you have more television stations. We had it all in college back in the 90s. I would argue that the love ins of the 60s were worse than this.

 

[dreadnought]

Yes, you have said that.

Then why do people keep suggesting I pray to people?

 

[dreadnought]

Lol, only because you have more television stations. We had it all in college back in the 90s. I would argue that the love ins of the 60s were worse than this.

It wasn't until recently that homosexuality became so popular. I think Barack Obama led the way.

 

[Yarddog]

A liberal judge will "interpret" the law as he/she sees fit.

As opposed to a conservative interpreting things the ways they want? No, you're just spouting foolish rhetoric.
Know Your Rights as a Christian in a Public School

Know Your Rights as a Christian in a Public School
Prayer
Many schools have told students they cannot pray around the flagpole before school or say a blessing over their food in the cafeteria. But the First Amendment protects all forms of religious expression, including prayer at school. Your children have the right to pray on their own or in groups during non-instructional time at school as long as it doesn’t significantly disrupt school activity.

Students can also engage in student-initiated, student-led prayer before or after practices, sporting events, or other school functions as long as such prayers are voluntary and not required by coaches or other school officials.

Schools cannot stop students from praying individually or in groups without evidence that the prayers would significantly disrupt the school environment (for example, making a student late for class). They also cannot require students to participate in prayer or any other religious activity.

Watch out for policies that prohibit prayer, proselytizing, or other religious activity during school or at school-sponsored events, and teachers or coaches who stop students from praying over meals or before or after games, practices, or other school events.

 

[dreadnought]

As opposed to a conservative interpreting things the ways they want? No, you're just spouting foolish rhetoric.
Know Your Rights as a Christian in a Public School

Know Your Rights as a Christian in a Public School
Prayer
Many schools have told students they cannot pray around the flagpole before school or say a blessing over their food in the cafeteria. But the First Amendment protects all forms of religious expression, including prayer at school. Your children have the right to pray on their own or in groups during non-instructional time at school as long as it doesn’t significantly disrupt school activity.

Students can also engage in student-initiated, student-led prayer before or after practices, sporting events, or other school functions as long as such prayers are voluntary and not required by coaches or other school officials.

Schools cannot stop students from praying individually or in groups without evidence that the prayers would significantly disrupt the school environment (for example, making a student late for class). They also cannot require students to participate in prayer or any other religious activity.

Watch out for policies that prohibit prayer, proselytizing, or other religious activity during school or at school-sponsored events, and teachers or coaches who stop students from praying over meals or before or after games, practices, or other school events.

I have more faith in the conservative judges. I think they are less likely to ignore the law.