School Prayer

[dreadnought]

Only if it's done as Jesus directed:

“When you pray, do not be like the hypocrites! They love
to stand up and pray in the houses of worship and on the
street corners, so that everyone will see them. I assure
you, they have already been paid in full. But when you
pray, go to your room, close the door, and pray to your
Father, who is unseen. And your Father, who sees what
you do in private, will reward you." (Matthew 6:5-6)

I think you are advocating that all group prayer be banned.

 

[tulc]

We're not establishing religion by publicly asking the Lord to help us.

uhmmm...yes, yes you are.
tulc(is sorry to break that news to you)

 

[Rajni]

I think you are advocating that all group prayer be banned.

I'm advocating following what Jesus said on the matter.
Do you, a Christian, disagree with Jesus?

 

[tulc]

I think you are advocating that all group prayer be banned.

No, praying organized by students is fine, forcing everyone in a school to pray/ listen to a prayer read off a card is unconstitutional. That you don't think it is is simply you're opinion. You can have that opinion as much as you like, it however doesn't change anything as far as the law is concerned.
tulc(is heading down to the laundry)

 

[dreadnought]

uhmmm...yes, yes you are.
tulc(is sorry to break that news to you)

Last I knew, tulc, you saw nothing wrong with allowing boys to shower with girls in school, if the boys wanted to be girls. I'd say you have a credibility problem.

 

[dreadnought]

I'm advocating following what Jesus said on the matter.
Do you, a Christian, disagree with Jesus?

No, I don't, but you've taken his statement out of context. By your interpretation, group prayer is not allowed.

 

[Rajni]

No, I don't, but you've taken his statement out of context. By your interpretation, group prayer is not allowed.

Not much to interpret. Jesus's statement is pretty clear to me.

 

[tulc]

Last I knew, tulc, you saw nothing wrong with allowing boys to shower with girls in school, if the boys wanted to be girls. I'd say you have a credibility problem.

still trying to make the thread about something else when you can't rebut what's said huh? I'm wondering why you don't simply start a thread about "boys in the wrong locker room" if that's what you'd like to discuss?
tulc(wonders why President Trump supporters can't simply stick the OP...even when it's an OP they posted?)

 

[dreadnought]

Not much to interpret. Jesus's statement is pretty clear to me.

But you are taking it out of context. By doing so, you are saying we can't pray together, I believe.

 

[dreadnought]

still trying to make the thread about something else when you can't rebut what's said huh? I'm wondering why you don't simply start a thread about "boys in the wrong locker room" if that's what you'd like to discuss?
tulc(wonders why President Trump supporters can't simply stick the OP...even when it's an OP they posted?)

No, I'm just saying that the opinion of a man who thinks it's okay to let boys shower with girls at school, when the boys want to be girls, is suspect.

 

[Rajni]

But you are taking it out of context. By doing so, you are saying we can't pray together, I believe.

People can pray privately simultaneously.

 

[dreadnought]

People can pray privately simultaneously.

But, according to you, we can't pray the Lord's Prayer out loud together.

 

[dreadnought]

People can pray privately simultaneously.

Or, according to you, if I go to a pastor for help, he's not allowed to pray out loud for me.

 

[Rajni]

But, according to you, we can't pray the Lord's Prayer out loud together.

Or, according to you, if I go to a pastor for help, he's not allowed to pray out loud for me.

I don't know, I think a couple of believers praying
privately together would be closer to what Jesus is
directing. What is promoted as "school prayer" falls
outside of that directive, imo.

 

[tulc]

No, I'm just saying that the opinion of a man who thinks it's okay to let boys shower with girls at school, when the boys want to be girls, is suspect.

Really? Becaue I thought the thread was about school prayer and since you can't seem to come up with anything to refute what was being said it appeared you were trying to attack the poster rather then what the poster was saying, which, oddly enough, is a pretty common tactic. So common in fact it has a name:

ad hominem
You attacked your opponent's character or personal traits in an attempt to undermine their argument.

it's usually a sign someone knows they can't refute the argument the other person has, so they try this instead. Again, if you'd like to discuss "boys in the wrong locker room" you can start a thread about that, you know, rather then derailing your own thread.
tulc(as an aside? when someone does the above they've lost the argument)

 

[dreadnought]

I don't know, I think a couple of believers praying
privately together would be closer to what Jesus is
directing. What is promoted as "school prayer" falls
outside of that directive, imo.

I believe in context Jesus was just telling us not to show off when we pray. The purpose of prayer is to talk with the Lord. The purpose is not to show off to anyone within earshot. Sometimes we pray alone. Sometimes we pray together out loud. But we never show off when we pray.

 

[dreadnought]

Really? Becaue I thought the thread was about school prayer and since you can't seem to come up with anything to refute what was being said it appeared you were trying to attack the poster rather then what the poster was saying, which, oddly enough, is a pretty common tactic. So common in fact it has a name:

it's usually a sign someone knows they can't refute the argument the other person has, so they try this instead. Again, if you'd like to discuss "boys in the wrong locker room" you can start a thread about that, you know, rather then derailing your own thread.
tulc(as an aside? when someone does the above they've lost the argument)

Like I say, tulc, anyone who is okay with letting boys, who say they want to be girls, shower with girls at school, they have a serious problem.

 

[tulc]

Like I say, tulc, anyone who is okay with letting boys, who say they want to be girls, shower with girls at school, they have a serious problem.

...I thought we'd already established that when you start attacking things you believe about the poster instead of what the poster said about the OP? That's when you've shown you can't support your position in the discussion and have lost. It only makes you look more desperate if you keep repeating the same fallacy over and over again.
tulc(is sort of wondering why, if dreadnought wants to discuss boys in the wrong showers so much, he hasn't simply started a thread about it?)

 

[Rajni]

I believe in context Jesus was just telling us not to show off when we pray. The purpose of prayer is to talk with the Lord. The purpose is not to show off to anyone within earshot. Sometimes we pray alone. Sometimes we pray together out loud. But we never show off when we pray.

The best way to ensure that showing off won't happen is
to keep it private rather than public.

 

[dreadnought]

The best way to ensure that showing off won't happen is
to keep it private rather than public.

Don't throw the baby out with the bath water.