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Not just "The Sabbath of Exodus 20" - but also the "Sabbath" as kept by Christ in the Gospels? Did He know if He was obeying the 4th Commandment? Was Saturday really right - or was it "Tuesday" as the 7th day?
Was Jesus raised on "Wednesday" or on the "First day of the week - Sunday" as both Jews and Christians affirm Sunday as "week day 1" in the Bible and therefore Saturday as "the 7th day".
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Individuals may post opinions and accept or ignore this or that set of texts. choosing one over the other and injecting extreme inference into that one - or having some emotional argument etc.
But actual Bible scholars who are subject to peer review cannot afford to use any sort of sloppy method because in review they will then not be taken seriously by their peers. The result is that even though all scholars do not agree on every point of doctrine - they also cannot afford to rely on short-live very flawed arguments that do not hold up to review -- at least for a short while.
So what are they saying on this subject?
================== a discussion leading to this topic ....
true - "IF" the scripture had said 'keep one day in 7 holy -- pick any day of the week you want as long as it is a 7 day cycle of your choosing" or something of that sort.
Exodus 16:23 God says "Tomorrow IS the Sabbath"
not - pick your day... one day in 7.
In fact if you pick the wrong day for that 40 years in the wilderness then you do not eat on Sabbath because no manna fell on Sabbath. Only on the 6 days. A 40-year hard-wired "reminder" for God's people.
Ex 20:11 "11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it."
Start with this "pastor I believe Jesus was raised on the first day of the week - is that why we go to church on Sunday? Was Jesus resurrected on Sunday?".
Let me know if he says "No he was not".
I am very interested to know that.
Or you could try this "suppose some happens to 'just feel' that Saturday is the FIRST day of the week - the day Jesus was raised, goes to church every week on Saturday instead -- because if that is true - then all of Christendom is wrong about this and so also all of Judaism -- is that correct?" Or does the Bible really say "pick one day in 7 as you wish - and not 'THE seventh day IS The Sabbath" - but rather "A seventh day IS the Sabbath"
The 7th day of the week has been Saturday for both Jews and Christians - on our calendars -- for many many centuries.
Week - Wikipedia
It is no "accident" that Jews observe the Sabbath on Saturday and many Christians observe Sunday as "week day 1" - the first day of the week - in memory of Christ's resurrection.
Why change now?
I have worked for a number of companies and when you report your time - they never include work done on Sunday - as applying to the previous week. Not because they are "Jews", in fact they have no religious interest invested in that payroll system at all. It is simply the fact of the week.
===================== pro-sunday scholars agree Saturday is the 7th day
As great many pro-Sunday groups confirm this. Including
1. Baptist Confession of Faith.
2. Westminster Confession of Faith
3. D.L. Moody
4. Catholic church - Catechism.
5. R.C. Sproul
Many others.
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in search of someone who would differ with this OP that the Sabbath is Saturday -- I find this video. Very nice people if you ask me. Even if they do differ with my position here.
Was Jesus raised on "Wednesday" or on the "First day of the week - Sunday" as both Jews and Christians affirm Sunday as "week day 1" in the Bible and therefore Saturday as "the 7th day".
==============================
Individuals may post opinions and accept or ignore this or that set of texts. choosing one over the other and injecting extreme inference into that one - or having some emotional argument etc.
But actual Bible scholars who are subject to peer review cannot afford to use any sort of sloppy method because in review they will then not be taken seriously by their peers. The result is that even though all scholars do not agree on every point of doctrine - they also cannot afford to rely on short-live very flawed arguments that do not hold up to review -- at least for a short while.
So what are they saying on this subject?
================== a discussion leading to this topic ....
Keep holly the Sabbath is what matters, and to further translate that, simply keep a day of rest, and keep it holly.
true - "IF" the scripture had said 'keep one day in 7 holy -- pick any day of the week you want as long as it is a 7 day cycle of your choosing" or something of that sort.
Exodus 16:23 God says "Tomorrow IS the Sabbath"
not - pick your day... one day in 7.
In fact if you pick the wrong day for that 40 years in the wilderness then you do not eat on Sabbath because no manna fell on Sabbath. Only on the 6 days. A 40-year hard-wired "reminder" for God's people.
Ex 20:11 "11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it."
In any event, feel free to tell me the day we should all be keeping as the Sabbath, for I need to present my pastor with this valuable information, so we can all do what is right in the eyes of God.
Start with this "pastor I believe Jesus was raised on the first day of the week - is that why we go to church on Sunday? Was Jesus resurrected on Sunday?".
Let me know if he says "No he was not".
I am very interested to know that.
Or you could try this "suppose some happens to 'just feel' that Saturday is the FIRST day of the week - the day Jesus was raised, goes to church every week on Saturday instead -- because if that is true - then all of Christendom is wrong about this and so also all of Judaism -- is that correct?" Or does the Bible really say "pick one day in 7 as you wish - and not 'THE seventh day IS The Sabbath" - but rather "A seventh day IS the Sabbath"
And also explain to me how we deal with the Seven day format, as this will change the days around, and ultimately require us getting a new calendar.
The 7th day of the week has been Saturday for both Jews and Christians - on our calendars -- for many many centuries.
Week - Wikipedia
It is no "accident" that Jews observe the Sabbath on Saturday and many Christians observe Sunday as "week day 1" - the first day of the week - in memory of Christ's resurrection.
Why change now?
I have worked for a number of companies and when you report your time - they never include work done on Sunday - as applying to the previous week. Not because they are "Jews", in fact they have no religious interest invested in that payroll system at all. It is simply the fact of the week.
===================== pro-sunday scholars agree Saturday is the 7th day
As great many pro-Sunday groups confirm this. Including
1. Baptist Confession of Faith.
2. Westminster Confession of Faith
3. D.L. Moody
4. Catholic church - Catechism.
5. R.C. Sproul
Many others.
======================
in search of someone who would differ with this OP that the Sabbath is Saturday -- I find this video. Very nice people if you ask me. Even if they do differ with my position here.
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