Saved!

[Catholic Christian]

I have one great wish. I wanna be saved. But I have questions.
1. Must i keep Gods 10 commandments in order to be saved? Includind His sabbath.
2. Must i keep Gods Holy Days in order to be saved?
3. Must i keep the testimony of Jesus in order to be saved?
4. Can i attain eternal life and not be saved?
I would love to hear from as many as see this post. What do you think about all 4 questions. Or any that you might have knowlegde of. We are all here for one reason. We seek the Lord. HE says you will not seek ME in vain. That is one thing we all must believe. HE said it, i believe it! No matter our differences.

John 14:15
"If ye love me keep my commandments"

Matt 25:41
"...Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels;for I was hungry, and you gave Me nothing to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me nothing to drink"

 

[WarriorAngel]

I have one great wish. I wanna be saved. But I have questions.

1. Must i keep Gods 10 commandments in order to be saved? Includind His sabbath.
The Sabbath BECAME the Lord's Day or at the Resurrection - The First day....which had become Sunday. ANd yes we must keep the 10.
2. Must i keep Gods Holy Days in order to be saved?
Sunday, yes!
3. Must i keep the testimony of Jesus in order to be saved?
Define this. DO you mean His Gospels?
How else can you be saved except thru the Son?
4. Can i attain eternal life and not be saved?

Eternal life [obtaining it as such] is being saved.
WE are saved once we are judged as being so.
I would love to hear from as many as see this post. What do you think about all 4 questions. Or any that you might have knowlegde of. We are all here for one reason. We seek the Lord. HE says you will not seek ME in vain. That is one thing we all must believe. HE said it, i believe it! No matter our differences.

I dont think i speak this doctrinal language.
It confuses me because it is newer than the old [and same still] doctrines i have been reading about in the early Church.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

http://www.scripture4all.org/

John 10:9 I am the door. Thru Me if-ever any may be into-coming/eiselqh <1525> (5632), he shall be being saved and shall be into-coming/eiseleusetai <1525> (5695) and shall be out-coming, and pasture shall be finding.

Reve 21: 26 and they shall bring the glory and the honour of the nations into it; 27 and not no may be into-coming/eiselqh <1525> (5632) into it every defiling and doing abomination, and a falsehood, except those having been written in the scroll of the life of the Lamb-kin.

 

[WailingWall]

Ive seen many people on this thread say “just believe” and you will be saved. Seems theres a little more to it than that. All the scriptures below prove that this is true. It appears that most of the people who say they believe will not be saved to the kingdom

LUKE 12 [31] But rather seek ye the kingdom of God; and all these things shall be added unto you.[32] FEAR NOT, LITTLE FLOCK; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom.

little flock

MATT.7 [13] Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction,and many there be which go in thereat:[14] Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life,and FEW THERE BE THAT FIND IT.

few there be that find it

MATT.7 [21] Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.[22] MANY WILL SAY to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?[23] And then will I profess unto them, I NEVER KNEW YOU: DEPART FROM ME, YE THAT WORK INIQUITY.

In that day the “many” will say...

LUKE 13 [23] Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them,[24] Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.[25] When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:[26] Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets.[27] But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.

Jesus himself tells us that “the many” will not enter the Kingdom. And he explains why. They are workers of iniquity. They do not keep Gods law. HIS 10 commandments.

ISAIAH 24 [3] The land shall be utterly emptied, and utterly spoiled: for the LORD hath spoken this word.[4] The earth mourneth and fadeth away, the world languisheth and fadeth away, the haughty people of the earth do languish.[5] The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because THEY HAVE TRANSGRESSED THE LAWS, CHANGED THE ORDINANCE, BROKEN THE EVERLASTING COVENANT.[6] Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, AND FEW MEN LEFT.

Hi…. Well, here we are. The bottom line. The DAY OF THE LORD (when Christ returns) and again the Word says that a few will be saved to the kingdom. Why but a few? Because the many have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, and broken the everlasting covenant.

LEV.24 [8] EVERY SABBATH he shall set it in order before the LORD continually, being taken from the children of Israel by AN EVERLASTING COVENANT.

Is this the everlasting covenant they broke?

MATTHEW 22 [12] And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless. [13] Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. [14] For many are called, but few are chosen.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Hi&#8230;. Well, here we are. The bottom line. The DAY OF THE LORD (when Christ returns) and again the Word says that a few will be saved to the kingdom. Why but a few? Because the many have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, and broken the everlasting covenant.

LEV.24 [8] EVERY SABBATH he shall set it in order before the LORD continually, being taken from the children of Israel by AN EVERLASTING COVENANT.

Is this the everlasting covenant they broke?

MATTHEW 22 [12] And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless. [13] Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. [14] For many are called, but few are chosen.

That is also my view. The same word used for "friend/comrade" was also used for "judas" when Jesus was arrested. Good post.

http://www.scripture4all.org/

Matt 22:12 And He is saying to him "Comrade/etaire <2083>, how did you come in not having garment of marriage"? The yet was speechless

Zeph 1:8 "And becomes in day of YHWH's sacrifice, and I visit on the princes/chiefs and the king's sons, and all of ones being arrayed in foreign apparel.
9 And in that Day, I visit all those leaping over the threshold, the ones filling their masters'/lords houses with violence and deceit.

 

[WailingWall]

Hi LittleLambofJesus
The one scripture the "many" point to for their "just believe" theory to be saved is John 3[16].

JOHN 3 [16] For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that WHOSOEVER BELIEVETH in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. [17] For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him MIGHT BE SAVED. [18] He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. [19] And this is the condemnation, THAT LIGHT IS COME INTO THE WORLD, AND MEN LOVED DARKNESS RATHER THAN LIGHT, because their deeds were evil. [20] For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. [21] But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

Many will quote John 3[16-18]. But if you go on to read the next 3 verses in John (19-21) you will see that unbelievers have NO LIGHT IN THEM because they prefer darkness. Could it be there are some that say they believe and think they believe, but actually believe not due to their deeds? Their works?

ISAIAH 8 [20] TO THE LAW AND TO THE TESTIMONY: IF THEY SPEAK NOT ACCORDING TO THIS WORD, IT IS BECAUSE THERE IS NO LIGHT IN THEM.[21] And they shall pass through it, hardly bestead and hungry: and it shall come to pass, that when they shall be hungry, they shall fret themselves, and curse their king and their God, and look upward.[22] And they shall look unto the earth; and behold trouble and darkness, dimness of anguish; and they shall be driven to darkness.

As you can see this scripture from Isaiah is not about ancient Israel. In fact it has not yet come to pass. It will come to pass on “The Day of the Lord”. The day Jesus returns to this earth. To the law (10 commandments) and the testimony (Jesus) If they speak not according to these words THERE IS NO LIGHT IN THEM. Just as the WORD says in John 3.

ACTS 17 [10] And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews. [11] These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and SEARCHED THE SCRIPTURES DAILY, whether those things were so. [12] Therefore many of them believed; also of honourable women which were Greeks, and of men, not a few.

Many will claim that Isaiah 8 is old testament and may be ignored. Im not sure where the many came up with that train of thought. The old testament scriptures were the only scriptures around during the time of Paul. In Acts 17 you find a people who searched the old testament scriptures daily to see if what Paul was saying was the truth. By testing Pauls words in this way, many came to believe. Nothings changed since Pauls time. Scripture should be of no private interpretation. Scripture will interpret scripture.

 

[Catholic Christian]

Ive seen many people on this thread say “just believe” and you will be saved. Seems theres a little more to it than that....

EXCELLENT POINT! As I have said before, some people promote the very attractive idea that all true Christians, regardless of how they live, have an absolute assurance of salvation, once they accept Jesus into their hearts as "their personal Lord and Savior." The problem is that this belief is contrary to the Bible & constant Christian teaching.

Recall this Scripture: "If we have died with him [in baptism; see Rom. 6:3-4] we shall also live with him; if we persevere we shall also reign with him" (2 Tim. 2:11-12). So, ff we do NOT persevere, we shall NOT reign with him. In other words, Christians can forfeit heaven. Jesus tells us, "He who endures to the end will be saved" (Matt. 24:13; cf. 25:31-46). Ergo, if you do not endure to the end, well........

The Bible makes it clear that Christians have a moral assurance of salvation (God will be true to his word and will grant salvation to those who have faith in Christ and are obedient to him [1 John 3:19-24]), but the Bible does NOT teach that Christians have a guarantee of heaven. There can be no absolute assurance of salvation. The Bible says, "See, then, the kindness and severity of God: severity toward those who fell, but God's kindness to you, provided you remain in his kindness, otherwise you too will be cut off" (Rom. 11:22-23; Matt. 18:21-35, 1 Cor. 15:1-2, 2 Pet. 2:20-21).

Note that this includes an important condition: "provided you remain in his kindness." It is saying that Christians can lose their salvation by throwing it away. He warns, "Whoever thinks he is standing secure should take care not to fall" (1 Cor. 10:11-12). , Paul admitted that even he could fall away: "I pummel my body and subdue it, lest after preaching to others I myself should be disqualified" (1 Cor. 9:27). In saying this he points out that even he cannot be infallibly sure of his own present state or of his future salvation.

Let me repeat: When someone asks me if I have been "saved," I answer: "I am redeemed by the blood of Christ, I trust in him alone for my salvation, and, as the Bible teaches, I am working out my salvation in fear and trembling (Phil. 2:12), knowing that it is God's gift of grace that is working in me."

 

[mattlock73]

And there are some that promote the idea that we can work our way to heaven. They claim that Christ's sacrifice was in vain and not sufficient for salvation so we must elevate ourselves the rest of the way. They ignore the scripture that tells us that the Holy Spirit is a seal, a down payment of the assurance we are promised. They ignore the scriptures that tell us that once we are His, no one can be taken from Him.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Now I don't know about you, but I don't see any qualifiers in this statement. When you break it all down, this is the bottom line.

 

[Catholic Christian]

And there are some that promote the idea that we can work our way to heaven. They claim that Christ's sacrifice was in vain and not sufficient for salvation so we must elevate ourselves the rest of the way.

Gee, I sure am glad the Catholic Church doesn't say that, or else I'd be outta' there!

 

[TexasSky]

I have one great wish. I wanna be saved. But I have questions.

1. Must i keep Gods 10 commandments in order to be saved? Includind His sabbath.

2. Must i keep Gods Holy Days in order to be saved?

3. Must i keep the testimony of Jesus in order to be saved?

4. Can i attain eternal life and not be saved?

I would love to hear from as many as see this post. What do you think about all 4 questions. Or any that you might have knowlegde of. We are all here for one reason. We seek the Lord. HE says you will not seek ME in vain. That is one thing we all must believe. HE said it, i believe it! No matter our differences.

Romans 6:23 "The wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."

Romans 10:13 "Whoever will call on the name of the Lord will be saved."

Romans 10:9,10 "If you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Jesus from the dead, you shall be saved; for with the heart man believes, resulting in righteiousness, and with the mouth he confessses, resulting in salvation."

Revelations 3:20 "Behond, I stand at the door and knock, if anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in to him."

Salvation comes through faith, "not of works, lest any man should boast."

It is a gift of mercy from God, given in love.
It cannot be earned.

Nothing we can do will make us worthy of the mercy of God, but God is worthy enough to be merciful to whomever He desires to show mercy to. He has set the standard as Christ.

Reptenence comes AFTER salvation.
Christ in you guides you to repent.

Christ in you will not allow you to continue sinning without regret and remourse and repenting.

So, keeping the 10 commandments will not save you.

Keeping holy days will not save you.

The bible says some will cry out that they taught in His name, and He will say, "I knew you not."

The key to salvation is surrendering your life to Christ.

When that is done, Christ will guide you where you need to be.

 

[TexasSky]

EXCELLENT POINT! As I have said before, some people promote the very attractive idea that all true Christians, regardless of how they live, have an absolute assurance of salvation, once they accept Jesus into their hearts as "their personal Lord and Savior." The problem is that this belief is contrary to the Bible & constant Christian teaching.

Recall this Scripture: "If we have died with him [in baptism; see Rom. 6:3-4] we shall also live with him; if we persevere we shall also reign with him" (2 Tim. 2:11-12). So, ff we do NOT persevere, we shall NOT reign with him. In other words, Christians can forfeit heaven. Jesus tells us, "He who endures to the end will be saved" (Matt. 24:13; cf. 25:31-46). Ergo, if you do not endure to the end, well........

The Bible makes it clear that Christians have a moral assurance of salvation (God will be true to his word and will grant salvation to those who have faith in Christ and are obedient to him [1 John 3:19-24]), but the Bible does NOT teach that Christians have a guarantee of heaven. There can be no absolute assurance of salvation. The Bible says, "See, then, the kindness and severity of God: severity toward those who fell, but God's kindness to you, provided you remain in his kindness, otherwise you too will be cut off" (Rom. 11:22-23; Matt. 18:21-35, 1 Cor. 15:1-2, 2 Pet. 2:20-21).

Note that this includes an important condition: "provided you remain in his kindness." It is saying that Christians can lose their salvation by throwing it away. He warns, "Whoever thinks he is standing secure should take care not to fall" (1 Cor. 10:11-12). , Paul admitted that even he could fall away: "I pummel my body and subdue it, lest after preaching to others I myself should be disqualified" (1 Cor. 9:27). In saying this he points out that even he cannot be infallibly sure of his own present state or of his future salvation.

Let me repeat: When someone asks me if I have been "saved," I answer: "I am redeemed by the blood of Christ, I trust in him alone for my salvation, and, as the Bible teaches, I am working out my salvation in fear and trembling (Phil. 2:12), knowing that it is God's gift of grace that is working in me."

There is no more to it.
John explains all of it in the book of 1 John 2:3-4

3We know that we have come to know hif we obey his commands. 4The man who says, "I know him," but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

21Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God 22and receive from him anything we ask, because we obey his commands and do what pleases him. 23And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us.

That's it, the command to return his love and to love others.

 

[PROPHECYKID]

And there are some that promote the idea that we can work our way to heaven. They claim that Christ's sacrifice was in vain and not sufficient for salvation so we must elevate ourselves the rest of the way. They ignore the scripture that tells us that the Holy Spirit is a seal, a down payment of the assurance we are promised. They ignore the scriptures that tell us that once we are His, no one can be taken from Him.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Now I don't know about you, but I don't see any qualifiers in this statement. When you break it all down, this is the bottom line.

Jam 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
Jam 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: show me thy faith without thy works, and I will show thee my faith by my works.
Jam 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
Jam 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
Jam 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
Jam 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
Jam 2:23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
Jam 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
Jam 2:25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
Jam 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

Comments?

 

[PROPHECYKID]

Jam 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
Jam 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: show me thy faith without thy works, and I will show thee my faith by my works.
Jam 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
Jam 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
Jam 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
Jam 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
Jam 2:23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
Jam 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
Jam 2:25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
Jam 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

Comments?

Now don't get me wrong. I am not saying that we are saved by works. But works go along with fath.

We are saved by Grace through faith ( faith is dead without works).
We are saved by Grace through faith made perfect by works.

 

[JohnPiperFan]

Technically, if someone 100% obeyed God's law and glorified and honored Him perfectly, then they would go to heaven and not need to be saved. However, this is impossible, "For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God." Thus, Christ's atonement for your sin is absolutely necessary for your salvation.

Now about those American Indians and others who have never heard the gospel, I'm surprised Romans 2:12 hasn't been mentioned yet: "For all who have sinned without the law will also perish without the law." Thus, their not knowing does not render them innocent of their sin before God. They will still perish for their sin, albeit perishing apart from the law.

 

[mattlock73]

Jam 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
Jam 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: show me thy faith without thy works, and I will show thee my faith by my works.
Jam 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
Jam 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
Jam 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
Jam 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
Jam 2:23 And the Scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
Jam 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
Jam 2:25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
Jam 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

Comments?

Lots but I don't have a whole lot of time so I will keep this short.

James is saying that a saving faith produces works. If our faith does not produce works (fruit), then we are fooling ourselves and just mouthing the words.

Paul says the same thing. He says we are justified by faith (a saving faith), not by works and the way to test that faith is by our fruit.

If this verse read like you are alluding it reads, James and Paul would be in conflict, but scripture does not contradict scripture.

 

[mattlock73]

Now don't get me wrong. I am not saying that we are saved by works. But works go along with fath.

We are saved by Grace through faith ( faith is dead without works).
We are saved by Grace through faith made perfect by works.

The faith is made perfect through Christ. He is the cause of our regeneration. We perfect nothing through our works, but conform to His image, so it is Christ working in us through our regenerated spirit that He gave to us which makes for perfection. That is why no man can boast.

 

[PROPHECYKID]

Lots but I don't have a whole lot of time so I will keep this short.

James is saying that a saving faith produces works. If our faith does not produce works (fruit), then we are fooling ourselves and just mouthing the words.

Paul says the same thing. He says we are justified by faith (a saving faith), not by works and the way to test that faith is by our fruit.

If this verse read like you are alluding it reads, James and Paul would be in conflict, but scripture does not contradict scripture.

Remember i started of by making my position clear. We are saved by Grace through faith. Everything you said was correct except for the part where you made it seem like i was implying a contradiction between James and Paul. James never said were are saved by works. Paul never said it and I never said it. My point to you was one that i realized you already know which was that saving faith produce works.

 

[PROPHECYKID]

The faith is made perfect through Christ. He is the cause of our regeneration. We perfect nothing through our works, but conform to His image, so it is Christ working in us through our regenerated spirit that He gave to us which makes for perfection. That is why no man can boast.

Jam 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?

I kinda got my sentence from this verse so don't blame me if you don't agree. The fact is all the works we do are as a result of being lead by Christ. It is God's spirit in us that enables us to do good works o you are not wrong when you say that our faith is made perfect through Christ for it is Christ that causes us to produce works.

 

[Catholic Christian]

There is a difference between a "moral" assurance of salvation and an "absolute" assurance of salvation. We Catholics would say the we have a "moral" assurance of salvation because we know what God has promised and we know that God will not break His promises. But, we would not presume to have an an "absolute" assurance, because you cannot know what the future holds.

This is why I quote scriptures like "if we persevere we shall also reign with him", and "provided you remain in his kindness", because they demonstrate that we have a part to play in our salvation, and if we quit playing our part then we forfeit the free gift God has given us.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Jam 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?

I kinda got my sentence from this verse so don't blame me if you don't agree. The fact is all the works we do are as a result of being lead by Christ. It is God's spirit in us that enables us to do good works o you are not wrong when you say that our faith is made perfect through Christ for it is Christ that causes us to produce works.

I found it interesting that greek word James used is found the last time in the Jewish/Hebrew book of Revelation.

http://www.scripture4all.org/

James 2:22 Thou are beholding that the Faith together-worked to the works of him and out of the works the Faith was perfected/matured/ eteleiwqh <5048> (5681) .
26 For even-as the body apart-from spirit dead is, thus also the Faith apart-from the works dead is.

Reve 15:1 And I perceived another sign in the heaven, great and marvelous. Messengers, seven, having stripes/blows, seven, the last, that in them is-finished/etelesqh <5055> (5681) the fury of the God/YHWH.

http://www.olivetree.com/cgi-bin/EnglishBible.htm

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