Saved through Fire

[Kimberlyann]

*Kimberly hugs Student*

Not to worry, We can't always all agree on everything. Just like in every family. We still love each other.

Here's a secret, I seldom ever agree with myself on anything. *wink*

 

[LJSGM]

2ducklow,

Yes, I know all are sinners and fall short of the glory of God. That is why we need a Savior. That is what Jesus is, He is our Savior. And what does a Savior do? A Savior saves. And the Bible doesn't say He is only the Savior of those who believe. No it say He is the Savior of the world, especially of those who believe.

By the way, your post didn't answer my question.

Mark 16:16 (New International Version)


16Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

Those are Jesus' words, which gospel are you getting your info from?

 

[LJSGM]

There are two types of fires described in the bible

1.)One for refinement

2.)One for destruction

The one for refinement is sometimes depicted as the Holy Spirit fire. Sometimes as trials and sufferings in this life. It is meant for the believer.

The one used for the meaning of destruction is the lake of fire. The second death is also used as a description of the lake of fire. I think what this means is that since we were created, we can also be destroyed. This would be an everlasting punishment.

God's character is like a weighing scale, on one side sits judgement, on the other love. You get rid of one side of weights and God's character becomes unbalanced and is not the true nature of God.

I know how this universalist belief comes about. But stand on God's words and believe them leaving nothing out and you will be blessed. Lean not on your own understanding and he'll help you understand his truth. Do not subtract what you like or add what you like, for this is blamphemying God and not trusting what he says to be true.

As for people, on one side, there is judgement and on the other, love. Be balanced in your walk with God.
People do NOT deserve anything but destruction, and it's not luck that saves us. God chose to give mercy to whom he choses. If you were in front of a judge right now asking forgiveness for murdering someone, would the judge have to forgive you just because you asked? No, of course not! But God chose to give mercy to everyone that asks of it. Do I know what God will do with those that were less then innocent, yet never heard of him (most unlikely)? Not really, but I know it will be just, and from reading the bible, I fear it will not be good, but that's where fear of the Lord comes from.

-Love in Christ

 

[EchoPneuma]

"Jesus is the atoning sacrifice for our sins and not for our sins only, also for the sins of the WHOLE WORLD"

So did Jesus pay for everyone's sins or just those who believe?


"He is the saviour of ALL MEN, but especially (not exclusively) of those who believe"

<Parenthesis mine> So, is Jesus the saviour of ALL MEN, or only exclusively of those who believe?


"God is not willing that ANY should perish, but that ALL should come to repentance"

What is God's will concering people perishing or coming to repentance?


"God works out everything in conformity with the counsel of His OWN WILL"

So, will God work out EVERYTHING in conformity with His will?


"If I (Jesus) be lifted up I will draw (greek-drag) all men unto Myself".

So, was Jesus lifted up and crucified? So what did He say He WOULD do if He WAS lifted up?


Universalism is very clear in the bible. What those who believe in eternal punishment don't grasp is that there IS judgement, condemnation, fiery wrath etc...for those who are unrepentant....but it IS NOT eternal...it is meant for repentance and restoration. The same thing every other judgement, destruction and wrath of God was for....to bring about a broken and contrite spirit.

For some, that will come after death. For others, it happens in this life.

 

[LJSGM]

but it IS NOT eternal...it is meant for repentance and restoration[/B]. The same thing every other judgement, destruction and wrath of God was for....to bring about a broken and contrite spirit.

For some, that will come after death. For others, it happens in this life.

Ok, I'd like to see this in scriptures?

I would believe in universalism if maybe half of what the bible says didn't exist. But, it does and it's there so you can't.

 

[Kimberlyann]

Mark 16:16 (New International Version)


16Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

Those are Jesus' words, which gospel are you getting your info from?

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]New International Version[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]1 Timothy 4[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]4:10 (and for this we labor and strive), that we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, and especially of those who believe. [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]4:11 Command and teach these things. [/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica][FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]1 John 2 [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]2:2 He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world. [/FONT]


[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]John 12 [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]12:32 But I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to myself." [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica][FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]1 Corinthians 15[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica][FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]15:22 For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. [/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica][FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica][FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]Romans 5 [/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica][FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]5:19 For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous. [/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica][FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica][FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]1 Timothy 2 [/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica][FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica][FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]2:3 This is good, and pleases God our Savior, [FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]2:4 who wants all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]2:5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]2:6 who gave himself as a ransom for all men--the testimony given in its proper time. [/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]

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[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]Colossians 1 [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]1:20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]John 3[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]3:17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. [/FONT]



[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]2 Corinthians 5 [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]5:14 For Christ's love compels us, because we are convinced that one died for all, and therefore all died. [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]5:15 And he died for all, that those who live should no longer live for themselves but for him who died for them and was raised again. [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]5:16 So from now on we regard no one from a worldly point of view. Though we once regarded Christ in this way, we do so no longer. [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]5:17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come! [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]5:18 All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation: [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]5:19 that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting men's sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation. [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]Philippians 2 [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]2:10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]2:11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. [/FONT]


I believe these Scriptures.

 

[StudentoftheWord]

There are two types of fires described in the bible

1.)One for refinement

2.)One for destruction

I know how this universalist belief comes about. But stand on God's words and believe them leaving nothing out and you will be blessed. Lean not on your own understanding and he'll help you understand his truth. Do not subtract what you like or add what you like, for this is blamphemying God and not trusting what he says to be true.

LJSGM,

When I write, it appears to some that I do not do it respectfully. This is my problem when I communicate through writing. In person, I can teach this without much problem to even the most skeptical of believer (I know, I know, who said I was a teacher, when it comes to giving proof for my hope, I will teach you my hope). So I ask you to over look this flaw and what some or many percieve as arrogance on my behalf.

1 Peter 3:15
But in your hearts set Christ apart as holy [and acknowledge Him] as Lord. Always be ready to give a logical defense to anyone who asks you to account for the hope that is in you, but do it courteously and respectfully.

I have for many years now, by not leaning on my own understanding have without a shadow of a doubt, know that Jesus Christ is the Savior of all mankind. I have cautioned and warned many who have this hope, to avoid ambiguity and argumentive fallacy to demonstrate the hope that is with them.

I agree with you concerning the two types of fire in Scripture. This is a topic which has had people say that I look for salvation in other places than Jesus Christ even among fellow universalist friends over this observation. It is much easier for me to explain this by talking than to explain it by writing.

Though I want you to know, that I believe in the two types of fire and that Jesus saved all mankind.

 

[LJSGM]

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]New International Version[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]1 Timothy 4[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]4:10 (and for this we labor and strive), that we have put our hope in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, and especially of those who believe. [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]4:11 Command and teach these things. [/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica][FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]1 John 2 [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]2:2 He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world. [/FONT]


[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]John 12 [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]12:32 But I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to myself." [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica][FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]1 Corinthians 15[/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica][FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]15:22 For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. [/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica][FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica][FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]Romans 5 [/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica][FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]5:19 For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous. [/FONT][/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica][FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica][FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]1 Timothy 2 [/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica][FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica][FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]2:3 This is good, and pleases God our Savior, [FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]2:4 who wants all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]2:5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]2:6 who gave himself as a ransom for all men--the testimony given in its proper time. [/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT]

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[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]Colossians 1 [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]1:20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]John 3[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]3:17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. [/FONT]



[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]2 Corinthians 5 [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]5:14 For Christ's love compels us, because we are convinced that one died for all, and therefore all died. [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]5:15 And he died for all, that those who live should no longer live for themselves but for him who died for them and was raised again. [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]5:16 So from now on we regard no one from a worldly point of view. Though we once regarded Christ in this way, we do so no longer. [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]5:17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come! [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]5:18 All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation: [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]5:19 that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting men's sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation. [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]Philippians 2 [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]2:10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]2:11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. [/FONT]


I believe these Scriptures.

I've seen all of these before, the only one that is any good for the universalism theology is 1 timothy 4:10, and that one verse that doesn't specifically comfirm anything. Asking an honest question here, do most universalist ignore most of the scripture about Hell?

The scriptures I wanted you to provide was for your theory that after hell fire, people are saved and that punishment wasn't everlasting.

 

[StudentoftheWord]

I've seen all of these before, the only one that is any good for the universalism theology is 1 timothy 4:10, and that one verse that doesn't specifically comfirm anything. Asking an honest question here, do most universalist ignore most of the scripture about Hell?

I do not think so, perhaps some people ignore hell in Scripture. However, as many here have demonstrated, hell is an english word. It is actually not found in Scripture.

 

[Kimberlyann]

LJSGM,

The tradition is that unbelievers will be eternally tormented in hell. But, we read in Rev 20:14 that death and hell are cast into the lake of fire before eternity ever begins. Maybe the tradition is wrong?

If your interested in learning the truth about hell get a Greek and Hebrew concordance and look up every time the word hell is used and how it is used.

 

[Evergreen48]

seen all of these before, the only one that is any good for the universalism theology is 1 timothy 4:10, and that one verse that doesn't specifically comfirm anything.

And actually when we take into consideration that "He makes his sun rise on evil and good, and sends rain on just and unjust.", that one doesn't really say much for Universalism either.

 

[LJSGM]

LJSGM,

The tradition is that unbelievers will be eternally tormented in hell. But, we read in Rev 20:14 that death and hell are cast into the lake of fire before eternity ever begins. Maybe the tradition is wrong?

If your interested in learning the truth about hell get a Greek and Hebrew concordance and look up every time the word hell is used and how it is used.

I have a problem with an eternal punishment as well, until I understood it for the first time.

Matthew 25:46 (New International Version)



46"Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life." (JESUS' words)

It could mean that the punishment is forever, in that they are destroyed. But with this verse, you only have two options here, either a very long punishment (forever), or a punishment that lasts forever such as destruction. Would you like me to list all of the verses that mention destruction? There are quite a few.

de&#8231;struc&#8231;tion
the condition of being destroyed; demolition; annihilation

termination by an act of destruction [syn: devastation] 2: an event (or the result of an event) that completely destroys something [syn: demolition, wipeout] 3: a final state; "he came to a bad end"; "the so-called glorious experiment came to an inglorious end"

The lake of fire is also refered to as the second death.

death
the end of life; the total and permanent cessation of all the vital functions of an organism.

Matthew 13:30 (New International Version)

30Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn.' "

 

[Kimberlyann]

LJSGM,

I'm not here to convince you of anything. I am here to learn and fellowship. It doesn't bother me if you don't agree with what I believe.

If your in the mood for a debate I suggest you ask someone else.

 

[Benoni]

I have a problem with an eternal punishment as well, until I understood it for the first time.

Matthew 25:46 (New International Version)



46"Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life." (JESUS' words)

It could mean that the punishment is forever, in that they are destroyed. But with this verse, you only have two options here, either a very long punishment (forever), or a punishment that lasts forever such as destruction. Would you like me to list all of the verses that mention destruction? There are quite a few.

de&#8231;struc&#8231;tion
the condition of being destroyed; demolition; annihilation

termination by an act of destruction [syn: devastation] 2: an event (or the result of an event) that completely destroys something [syn: demolition, wipeout] 3: a final state; "he came to a bad end"; "the so-called glorious experiment came to an inglorious end"

The lake of fire is also refered to as the second death.

death
the end of life; the total and permanent cessation of all the vital functions of an organism.

Matthew 13:30 (New International Version)

30Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn.' "

I always thought the word eternal means without begining and end. God is eternal; punishiment has a begining.

 

[Benoni]

I have posted this before but is worth reading:

The term forever (and its equivalents, eternal and everlasting) often occurs when it cannot possibly mean unending. In the story of Jonah one is surprised to hear him say while in the belly of the fish, "I went down to the bottoms of the mountains; the earth with her bars was about me for ever" (Jon. 2:6). But he was in the fish only three days and three nights! When a Hebrew slave loved his master and did not wish to go free at the end of the seventh year, we read, "... His master shall bore his ear through with an awl; and he shall serve him for ever" (Ex. 21:6). Of course, that couldn't be longer than his life span. Again, when Solomon built the temple unto the Lord, he began his prayer of dedication with the statement, "I have surely built You a house to dwell in, a settled place for You to abide in for ever" (I Kgs. 8:13). And the Lord answered Solomon, "I have heard your prayer and supplication that you have made before Me: I have hallowed this house, which you have built, to put My name there for ever" (I Kgs. 9:3). But Solomon's temple lasted for only about 400 years! And it was never in God's mind to dwell there for ever!

Here is something that ought to be clear to any intelligent, honest man. A word that is used to mean in one case three days and nights, in another case to mean a man's lifetime, and in still another case to mean a period of about four centuries, surely does not mean unending or eternal, no matter what English word is used to translate it. USAGE DETERMINES MEANING. Another illustration is the Aaronic priesthood. According to the King James version, Aaron and his sons were anointed as priests for ever. It says, "Their anointing shall surely be an everlasting priesthood throughout their generations" (Ex. 40:15). Yet we read in Heb. 7:11-18 that the Aaronic priesthood is CHANGED to that of Melchizedek. "Now if perfection had been attainable by the Levitical priesthood, for under it the people were given the Law, why was it further necessary that there should arise another and different kind of Priest, one after the order of Melchizedek, rather than one appointed after the order of Aaron? For when there is a CHANGE IN THE PRIESTHOOD, there is of necessity an alteration of the law concerning the priesthood as well. For it is obvious that our Lord sprang from the tribe of Judah, and Moses mentioned nothing about priests in connection with that tribe. So, a previous physical regulation and command is CANCELLED because of its weakness and ineffectiveness and uselessness" (Amplified Bible). Amazing, isn't it, that the priesthood which was ordained for ever has been CANCELLED!

There would be no contradiction if the statement in Exodus were translated as it should be, "to the age throughout their generations." That is, throughout their generations AS LONG AS THAT AGE LASTED. In the Septuagint, the Greek translation of the Hebrew Scriptures which Jesus and His disciples used, the Greek word AION was the word used for the Hebrew OLAM. According to Hebrew and Greek usage, therefore, these words mean a period of time, a period of unknown length, the duration of which is determined by the fact or condition or person to which the term is applied.

 

[Kimberlyann]

Benoni,

Thanks for posting that, it was worth reading.

 

[Benoni]

Romans 5 (Amp)
18 Well then, as one man's trespass [one man's false step and falling away led] to condemnation for all men, so one Man's act of righteousness [leads] to acquittal and right standing with God and life for all men.
Romans 5 (Wycliffe)
17 For if in the guilt of one death reigned through one, much more men that take plenty of grace, and of giving, and of rightwiseness, shall reign in life by one Jesus Christ.
18 Therefore as by the guilt of one into all men into condemnation, so [and] by the rightwiseness of one into all men into justifying of life.
19 For as by unobedience of one man many be made sinners, so by the obedience of one many shall be [ordained] just.
20 And the law entered, that guilt should be plenteous; but where guilt was plenteous, grace was more plenteous [grace abounded, or was plenteous].

Everlasting Punishment:

Matthew 25 (KJV)
46Then they will go away into eternal punishment, but those who are just and upright and in right standing with God into eternal life.
Matthew 25 (YLT)
46 And these shall go away to punishment age-during, but the righteous to life age-during.'

Universal Vivification vs. An Endless Death State
1 Cor. 15:22 Rev. 20:14
1 Corinthians 15 (KJV)
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
1 Corinthians 15 (Wycliffe)
22 And as in Adam all men die, so [and] in Christ all men shall be quickened.

An Endless Death State
Revelation 20
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Universal Reconciliation vs. Eternal Torment
Col. 1:20 Rev. 20:10
Colossians 1 (KJV)
20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
Revelation 20 (KJV)
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
Revelation 20 (Darby)
10 And the devil who deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where [are] both the beast and the false prophet; and they shall be tormented day and night for the ages of ages.

 

[LJSGM]

I always thought the word eternal means without begining and end. God is eternal; punishiment has a begining.

Eternal:
permanent, unending. Eternal, endless, everlasting, perpetual imply lasting or going on without ceasing. That which is eternal is, by its nature, without beginning or end: God, the eternal Father. That which is endless never stops but goes on continuously as if in a circle: an endless succession of years. That which is everlasting will endure through all future time: a promise of everlasting life. Perpeptual implies continuous renewal as far into the future as one can foresee: perpetual strife between nations. 3. timeless, immortal, deathless, undying, imperishable, indestructible.

Random House Unabridged Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2006

 

[LJSGM]

I have posted this before but is worth reading:

The term forever (and its equivalents, eternal and everlasting) often occurs when it cannot possibly mean unending. In the story of Jonah one is surprised to hear him say while in the belly of the fish, "I went down to the bottoms of the mountains; the earth with her bars was about me for ever" (Jon. 2:6). But he was in the fish only three days and three nights! When a Hebrew slave loved his master and did not wish to go free at the end of the seventh year, we read, "... His master shall bore his ear through with an awl; and he shall serve him for ever" (Ex. 21:6). Of course, that couldn't be longer than his life span. Again, when Solomon built the temple unto the Lord, he began his prayer of dedication with the statement, "I have surely built You a house to dwell in, a settled place for You to abide in for ever" (I Kgs. 8:13). And the Lord answered Solomon, "I have heard your prayer and supplication that you have made before Me: I have hallowed this house, which you have built, to put My name there for ever" (I Kgs. 9:3). But Solomon's temple lasted for only about 400 years! And it was never in God's mind to dwell there for ever!

Here is something that ought to be clear to any intelligent, honest man. A word that is used to mean in one case three days and nights, in another case to mean a man's lifetime, and in still another case to mean a period of about four centuries, surely does not mean unending or eternal, no matter what English word is used to translate it. USAGE DETERMINES MEANING. Another illustration is the Aaronic priesthood. According to the King James version, Aaron and his sons were anointed as priests for ever. It says, "Their anointing shall surely be an everlasting priesthood throughout their generations" (Ex. 40:15). Yet we read in Heb. 7:11-18 that the Aaronic priesthood is CHANGED to that of Melchizedek. "Now if perfection had been attainable by the Levitical priesthood, for under it the people were given the Law, why was it further necessary that there should arise another and different kind of Priest, one after the order of Melchizedek, rather than one appointed after the order of Aaron? For when there is a CHANGE IN THE PRIESTHOOD, there is of necessity an alteration of the law concerning the priesthood as well. For it is obvious that our Lord sprang from the tribe of Judah, and Moses mentioned nothing about priests in connection with that tribe. So, a previous physical regulation and command is CANCELLED because of its weakness and ineffectiveness and uselessness" (Amplified Bible). Amazing, isn't it, that the priesthood which was ordained for ever has been CANCELLED!

There would be no contradiction if the statement in Exodus were translated as it should be, "to the age throughout their generations." That is, throughout their generations AS LONG AS THAT AGE LASTED. In the Septuagint, the Greek translation of the Hebrew Scriptures which Jesus and His disciples used, the Greek word AION was the word used for the Hebrew OLAM. According to Hebrew and Greek usage, therefore, these words mean a period of time, a period of unknown length, the duration of which is determined by the fact or condition or person to which the term is applied.

Did you do a study on the word destruction that is used over and over?

 

[LJSGM]

Everlasting Punishment:

Matthew 25 (YLT)
46 And these shall go away to punishment age-during, but the righteous to life age-during.'

Universal Vivification vs. An Endless Death State
1 Cor. 15:22 Rev. 20:14
1 Corinthians 15 (KJV)
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
1 Corinthians 15 (Wycliffe)
22 And as in Adam all men die, so [and] in Christ all men shall be quickened.

An Endless Death State
Revelation 20
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Universal Reconciliation vs. Eternal Torment
Col. 1:20 Rev. 20:10
Colossians 1 (KJV)
20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
Revelation 20 (KJV)
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Lets see what strong's concordance says about this word anionios that is used 70 times in the new testament.

-Eternal, for ever, everlasting, world (began)

2 Thessalonians 1

9They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the majesty of his power

"Aionios is also used of the sin that 'hath never forgiveness, Mark3:29, and of the judgement of God, form which there is no appeal, Heb 6:2, and of the fire, which is one of its instruments, Matt. 18:8;25:41;Jude 7. and which is elsewhere said to be 'unquenchable,' Mark 9:43.
The use of aionios here shows that the punishment referred to in 2 Thess 1:9, is not temporary, but final, and, accordingly, the phraseology shows that its purpose is not remedial but retributive."

Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words, W.E.VINE