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Matthew 1:21
She will bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins.”

I sat with a man for over two hours Thursday evening, in the local Village Inn as we discussed some things that we have in common. The context we spoke of was often compared to the society of the world, and the problem we came together to discuss is one that he contends is common to the church in most cases, as it is too much like the world. Without divulging any things discussed in confidence, let me tell you the summarization of what his main point was.

He said that the core of the issue was that there is a lack of a clear, Biblical understanding of the word "salvation" in the Western world today. When someone discusses salvation, the first thing most people think of is being granted exemption from judgment in Hell for the glory of Heaven. He stated that consistently, the Bible does not say this. He does contend that eternity with God does go with salvation, but most of the time in the New Testament and much of the time in the Old Testament, we are being saved not from Hell, but from sin.

He never insinuated that salvation was the same thing as piety, or that we could ever reach a state of sinlessness. He did say, though, that with this understanding of salvation, many passages make more sense. I must say that much of this concept rings true, though it is a different definition of the term than what I have been taught all of my life. I suppose one way to put it is that through Christ, we have a salvation and are also saved. Through the blood of Christ, we are saved from the bondage of sin and are also secured as heirs of what will one day be our reality.

I share this viewpoint for the sake of discussion. For your convenience, I am sharing a few examples from the Bible that seem to agree with him. Unless noted otherwise, the examples are taken from the English Standard Version. As I said earlier, there are other uses of the word "salvation" in the scriptures, such as Israel finding salvation from their enemies on the battlefield. So here's the question: What is it that we are to be saved from? What doctrine of salvation should be preached? Should we be offering out free tickets to Heaven or show the way to the remission of sin?

Matthew 7:21
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.

If faith without works is dead, would that mean the same thing as the Holy Spirit must be within us, and that it is impossible for us to be of the spirit without a change in attitude or behavior, thus by our fruits we are known? Is it possible to be marinated in God and not take on His flavor?



Mark 1:4 (New King James Version) John came baptizing in the wilderness and preaching a baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.​
2 Corinthians 7:10 For godly grief produces a repentance that leads to salvation without regret, whereas worldly grief produces death.​
Philippians 2:12-13 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, so now, not only as in my presence but much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling, for it is God who works in you, both to will and to work for his good pleasure.​
1 Peter 2:1-3 So put away all malice and all deceit and hypocrisy and envy and all slander. Like newborn infants, long for the pure spiritual milk, that by it you may grow up to salvation—if indeed you have tasted that the Lord is good.​
1 John 2:4-6 Whoever says “I know him” but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him, but whoever keeps his word, in him truly the love of God is perfected. By this we may be sure that we are in him: whoever says he abides in him ought to walk in the same way in which he walked.​
James 2:14-26 What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? If a brother or sister is poorly clothed and lacking in daily food, and one of you says to them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled,” without giving them the things needed for the body, what good is that? So also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.


But someone will say, “You have faith and I have works.” Show me your faith apart from your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe—and shudder! Do you want to be shown, you foolish person, that faith apart from works is useless? Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered up his son Isaac on the altar? You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by his works; and the Scripture was fulfilled that says, “Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”—and he was called a friend of God. You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone. And in the same way was not also Rahab the prostitute justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out by another way? For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so also faith apart from works is dead.


 

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I ponder over your question and "BAM' it hit me! Not saying I am accurate, but let us consider this.

Had we no way to be free from our 'sin' we would be in 'bondage' to it, not only deserving Hell, but well on our way there. We all were at one point, everyone of us, enslaved to sin, serving the devil and out flesh, not warrenting any goodness apart from God.

Then came Jesus. Praise God for Jesus. Your question; Did He save us from our sin, or from Hell? In all honestly, I see then one and the same. Sin is warranted of Hell. Are we sinless and perfect when we believe in Jesus? Certainly not. But, from my own expereicne in this life, I can live to testify that I am NOT the same person I used to be. I can attest thatGod did save me from sin, and in the end Hell. He saved me....from me. There is another statement that is bold and true.

I dont even know if I am answering your question. I am rabbling; that is what I do best! But if someone were to ask me what I am saved from; I believe my response would encompass more than a one word answer of 'sin' or hell' etc... I was not saved from sin alone. I was not saved from Hell alone either.

I look at it from this point (be it not biblical, but it stands for my reasoning).

Let us consider someone who has the tendancy of a certain crime. Should this person undergo counselling, treatment, and rehabilitation for their 'crime' they may be free from ever commiting that same crime again. However... freeing them from their 'crime' does not free them from their punishment (ie: jail time etc..). And vice versa, The same person could be sentanced for whatever crime they have commited, yet without intervention...when released; may have the tendancy to commite the same crim over again.

Where am I going?

Well...Through our redemption, salvation and all that encompasses it; Christ saves us from BOTH the sin (crime) AND Hell (punishment).

Re-reading all of this; I concur that what I am 'trying' to say it confusing; so I better close my mouth now. I know you were looking for a deeper and more 'scriptural' view...but I could not resist. I am very interested in how others respond.

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As am I. My friend pointed out that the vast majority of witnessing strategies (tracts, pleas, etc) push an escape from Hell as the focal point of the message, but say nothing about changing the life of a person today. So people may "sign up" for freedom from Hell and figure that there is no need to do anything further. No change in attitude. No change in lifestyle. I'm beginning to see more clearly that this approach really cheapens our message.
 
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I think you are actually "hitting the nail on the head" as it were. There is a kind of multiple salvation in that we are saved from the bondage and the penalty of sin. Also, i think we are saved from its pollution and corruptability. We are made in the image of God,which is corrupted by indwelling sin. On conversion, and through the process of sanctification, we are increasingly being changed.

The term "Saved from our sins" i think encompasses the penalty,pullution,bondage and corruptable nature of sin.
 
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CoffeeSwirls said:
As am I. My friend pointed out that the vast majority of witnessing strategies (tracts, pleas, etc) push an escape from Hell as the focal point of the message, but say nothing about changing the life of a person today. So people may "sign up" for freedom from Hell and figure that there is no need to do anything further. No change in attitude. No change in lifestyle. I'm beginning to see more clearly that this approach really cheapens our message.

Absolutely :thumbsup:
 
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CoffeeSwirls said:
As am I. My friend pointed out that the vast majority of witnessing strategies (tracts, pleas, etc) push an escape from Hell as the focal point of the message, but say nothing about changing the life of a person today. So people may "sign up" for freedom from Hell and figure that there is no need to do anything further. No change in attitude. No change in lifestyle. I'm beginning to see more clearly that this approach really cheapens our message.

I agree.

However, I know that I, for one..did not come to Christ because it would secure a home for me in Heaven, but because I came to realize just how worthless, wretched, alone, desperate, nothingless and deserving of Hell I was without Him. I needed His Grace, His forgeveness, His redemption and Salvation. At that point in my life, Heaven was not my goal. But during my 'conversion', my focus was on becoming what Christ wanted me to be, and dying to the 'Hell-bound' person I once was. I did not come to Christ out of fear of Hell, but out of a desperate cry to be 'born again', a New Creation and free from sin. The desire to serve the One and ONLY God, My Creator, and My Saviour. The One God who, by His Grace, Love and Mercy, saw it fit to send His only Son to die for ME! What Love! PRAISE GOD!

Like I said, he not only saved me from sin and Hell...but from me.
 
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Rom 5:9 Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him.

Now there's something you don't hear often. Saved FROM GOD.

Most forget that God is the judge, it is God who has the account against you, it is His Laws you've broken... Satan is the least of one's worries! FEAR GOD!
 
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Lockheed said:
Rom 5:9 Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him.

Now there's something you don't hear often. Saved FROM GOD.

Most forget that God is the judge, it is God who has the account against you, it is His Laws you've broken... Satan is the least of one's worries! FEAR GOD!

:clap::clap::clap:
 
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Lockheed said:
Rom 5:9 Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him.

Now there's something you don't hear often. Saved FROM GOD.

Most forget that God is the judge, it is God who has the account against you, it is His Laws you've broken... Satan is the least of one's worries! FEAR GOD!
Say this loudly and often. The bible does it enough, if only the readers would follow suit...
 
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Lockheed said:
Rom 5:9 Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him.

Now there's something you don't hear often. Saved FROM GOD.

Most forget that God is the judge, it is God who has the account against you, it is His Laws you've broken... Satan is the least of one's worries! FEAR GOD!


Pr 1:7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.
 
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