2Cor 5:19

[fhansen]

Those whom Jesus died for and reconciled to God, dont have their sins charged to their account 2 Cor 5:19

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation

Thats there account in the Day of Judgment. They will not give an account for any sins they committed, not ever, Jesus who is their account paid it all. And they shall sin all the days of their life while having the flesh, the body of death Rom 7

Ok. That’s not Christianity but…ok.

“Nevertheless, God’s solid foundation stands firm, sealed with this inscription: “The Lord knows those who are his,” and, “Everyone who confesses the name of the Lord must turn away from wickedness.” 1 Tom 2:19

 

[Brightfame52]

Ok. That’s not Christianity but…ok.

“Nevertheless, God’s solid foundation stands firm, sealed with this inscription: “The Lord knows those who are his,” and, “Everyone who confesses the name of the Lord must turn away from wickedness.” 1 Tom 2:19

What you are presenting isn't biblical!

 

[fhansen]

What you are presenting isn't biblical!

“Everyone who confesses the name of the Lord must turn away from wickedness.” 1 Tom 2:19

 

[David Lamb]

“Everyone who confesses the name of the Lord must turn away from wickedness.” 1 Tom 2:19

Sorry, what bible book is represented by "1 Tom?" I thought at first it was a typo for "1 Tim(othy)" but 1 Tim 2 only has 15 verses. Edited to say: I think you might have meant 2 Timothy 2:19:

“Nevertheless the solid foundation of God stands, having this seal: "The Lord knows those who are His," and, "Let everyone who names the name of Christ depart from iniquity."” (2Ti 2:19 NKJV)

 

[Brightfame52]

“Everyone who confesses the name of the Lord must turn away from wickedness.” 1 Tom 2:19

They will do that, in context the iniquity is false teaching. False teaching is iniquity God despises, but yet the believer, as Paul sins everyday Rom 7, and with the flesh serves the law of sin, but sin isn't charged to them. 2 Cor 5:19

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

No one Christ died for will ever be charged with sin, though they will sin in the flesh all the days of their life

 

[fhansen]

They will do that, in context the iniquity is false teaching. False teaching is iniquity God despises, but yet the believer, as Paul sins everyday Rom 7, and with the flesh serves the law of sin, but sin isn't charged to them. 2 Cor 5:19

That is so contrived-and anti-gospel.

 

[fhansen]

Sorry, what bible book is represented by "1 Tom?" I thought at first it was a typo for "1 Tim(othy)" but 1 Tim 2 only has 15 verses. Edited to say: I think you might have meant 2 Timothy 2:19:

“Nevertheless the solid foundation of God stands, having this seal: "The Lord knows those who are His," and, "Let everyone who names the name of Christ depart from iniquity."” (2Ti 2:19 NKJV)

Oops! Thanks, musta been a bit rushed.

 

[Brightfame52]

That is so contrived-and anti-gospel.

The things you are saying is

 

[fhansen]

The things you are saying is

alright... so let's shake the dust off then. We both believe we won't be held accountable for sin; I believe that the gospel gives us a new start in life, now joined with God resulting in the overcovering of sin finally made possible, while your gospel is one where remaining in sin/evil, and calling it good nonetheless, is fine and apparently the order of the day, Since no one from Christ through the early churches and the ECFs would recognize your gospel, my ears are necessarily closed to it -and yours are obviously closed to mine.

 

[Brightfame52]

alright... so let's shake the dust off then. We both believe we won't be held accountable for sin; I believe that the gospel gives us a new start in life, now joined with God resulting in the overcovering of sin finally made possible, while your gospel is one where remaining in sin/evil, and calling it good nonetheless, is fine and apparently the order of the day, Since no one from Christ through the early churches and the ECFs would recognize your gospel, my ears are necessarily closed to it -and yours are obviously closed to mine.

Those whom Christ died for dont have sin charged to their account, thats Gospel Truth you obviously dont accept 2 Cor 5:19

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

The word imputing logizomai:

to reckon, count, compute, calculate, count over

1. to take into account, to make an account of

John Gill writes;

not imputing their trespasses. This was what he resolved upon from all eternity, that inasmuch as Christ was become the surety and substitute of his people, he would not impute their sins to them, or look for satisfaction for them from them; but would reckon and place them to the account of their surety, and expect satisfaction from him; and accordingly he did, and accordingly he had it. And this will, not to impute sin to his people, or not to punish for it, which existed in God from everlasting, is no other than a justification of them; for to whom the Lord does not impute sin, he imputes righteousness, and such are properly justified.

Another commentator:

God, through the ministry of the Lord Jesus Christ, was reconciling all those whom He named, before the foundation of the world, unto Himself. Those whom God named and Christ died for, will not have their sins imputed to them, that is God will never count the Christians sins against them because they have all been paid for. (Col 2:13-14 KJV) And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; {14} Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; Every trespass and sin that we have committed was forgiven in Christ because He paid for every sin we ever committed or will commit. They are gone! If they were not expunged, then the Christian would be in the same predicament as the unbeliever, having to stand before the Judgment Seat of Christ and give an account of every deed. If that were to happen, then even the believer would be cast into hell because he still had sins. Now another false belief would crop up if that was so, and that would be that Christ’s atonement was ineffectual and incomplete. This, of course, is a rank heresy because there is not one believer on earth who has retained any sin after Christ’s sacrifice. Two good examples were Moses and Elijah whop appeared on the Mount of Transfiguration. They were men and they would have sinned but the bottom line was that Christ’s sacrifice was complete and they both came from Heaven to the Mount. This means they were sinless because of Christ’s sacrifice and that is how every true believer stands before the Lord. Our standing of sinlessness before the Lord is owing to the complete redemption we received by Christ’s atonement. (Psa 103:12 KJV) As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us. Since Christ removed our sins, we are therefore sinless in the sight of God. I am not speaking of Christian perfection where the body and soul is made sinless. The body will retain the ability to sin until it either dies or is transformed at the return of Christ. When the believer dies, in their spirit existence they go to be with the Lord but the body goes into the ground for its final decay.https://www.scionofzion.com/2_corinthians_5_16_21.htm

May God grant you repentance to believe the Gospel !

 

[fhansen]

May God grant you repentance to believe the Gospel !

Thank you. And may God grant you a continuously open mind to His Word. And if you're interested at all in the history of this matter you can find a fair start here at post #669: SALVATION

 

[David Lamb]

Oops! Thanks, musta been a bit rushed.

Don't worry! I'm sure most of us here rush things and get them wrong sometimes - I know I do.