Saved by Grace?

[lismore]

Grace is the gospel, Acts 20:24. I don't need to blow a shofar, or wear a tallit, to "get the annointing". I say this because Judaism is invading our Charismatic churches. Colossians 2:10 says were are complete in Him, and it actually says in Him 7 times in a row, 2:6-13 to let the congregants know, they need no additions, fasting, Sabbath days, angel preoccupation, etc, it was all done on the cross for them, by Him.

But surely someone blowing a shofar would be fine? Legalism is when you say you must blow the shofar or conversely you can't blow it.

It might add depth to the meeting!

 

[BenAdam]

But surely someone blowing a shofar would be fine? Legalism is when you say you must blow the shofar or conversely you can't blow it.

It might add depth to the meeting!

Sure it would be fine, maybe a bit silly, or it could cause someone to stumble if they thought that the "leadership" was endorsing such things as being something that should be done instead of can be done.

 

[lismore]

Sure it would be fine, maybe a bit silly, or it could cause someone to stumble if they thought that the "leadership" was endorsing such things as being something that should be done instead of can be done.

Then again, those who don't like the Shofar are in for one almighty shock when 1 Thess 4:16 happens!

 

[BenAdam]

Then again, those who don't like the Shofar are in for one almighty shock when 1 Thess 4:16 happens!

True, but I don't think some middle age dude blowing one in some suburban church will sound anything like that!!!

 

[Source Scripture]

But surely someone blowing a shofar would be fine? Legalism is when you say you must blow the shofar or conversely you can't blow it.

It might add depth to the meeting!

Sure, people can blow a shofar, but the usual presumption is, one gains more of the Spirit, which creates an earned act, to get the Spirit. The Galatians had ther Spirit and miracles chapter 3, all without works. Nice to chat with you though.

 

[Source Scripture]

Sure it would be fine, maybe a bit silly, or it could cause someone to stumble if they thought that the "leadership" was endorsing such things as being something that should be done instead of can be done.

That's what I mean, and in most circles, the tallit, or shofar, has become the new talisman of heightened spirituality. As you say, "the should". Then if somone in the church feels silly wearing a Jewish tallit, it sets up a rift. Again, as you say, so long as it is not presented as a should, or a should by way of example, which can send out signals. I think this can all be put in the list of Colossians two, where they were seeking to add on things, to get closer to God, all symptomatic of a loss of the God connection within. Again, to clarify, if one wants to blow, let him blow, but it does not earn a "closerness to God" or "the annointing"..

 

[New_Wineskin]

Hello

To be saved by God's grace, not by anything good we have done, but by the goodness and mercy of God who sent the saviour into the world to save us.

This idea is not universally held in Christianity?

I am surprised by the number of people I meet who do not believe it.

Do you believe it, or not?

Salvation by grace.

That sounds fairly well put , to me .

 

[lismore]

That's what I mean, and in most circles, the tallit, or shofar, has become the new talisman of heightened spirituality. .

I've never encountered a church where members were obliged to wear Jewish clothing. Is this a new thing in the USA?