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I don't judge God. I believe Him. Therefore i reject false monstrous demonic caricatures of Him which are blasphemous.
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You have chosen to put yourself in a position of judging God, if you are wrong--because you have called Him names.
Ahhh, more gamesmanship and emotional manipulation.
I care when, in this world, I see people make terrible choices that terribly damage many other people's lives and they don't get what they deserve. How many lives were affected when a 37 year old convicted sex offender claimed another victim, a 21 year old? How many lives were affected when a family is taken into DSS custody after a father rapes his way underage step-child? How many are sacrificed by others' love of money and power every day? I just heard a true story of a 2nd grader who stole a kid's bike, then brought a gun back and threatened the police officer dad with a police car in the driveway. How on earth does a 2nd grader become so wayward? I am saddened and even angry about generations of gang involvement or drug selling that corrupt the thinking of little ones to think police are bad and robbery and murder are good. My 30 year old cousin is dead, because he got hooked on drugs so others could get rich. I see horrible and sad things every day here in this world.
God provided a way--that we don't deserve--to escape what every one of us deserves. God is willing to accept anyone who comes; but coming comes at a cost. Nobody will be able to say they weren't warned and given the opportunity. God will ensure that. If they choose against Him, that was their choice. Whether their consequence includes punishment that goes on as long as true believes share life or whether God in his mercy allows them to be destroyed/annihilated or even if God circles back for them later: That is God's to decide, not yours or mine. He shared a lot that suggests there is a hell and He wouldn't have done that if there wasn't one.
So, if someone chooses not to answer His supernatural call, or chooses not to believe the full Testimony of God because they believe a lie someone led them to believe over what God told them, why should I feel tormented over their choice? They made the choice. They will have had the same choice to make that I had.
You are free to say I'm heartless, but God Himself said that people--in a place where there is no more suffering, sorrow, crying, pain, or death--will look on the carcases of those who didn't come in. God Himself said that there are people who were beheaded for their faith and are now under the altar in heaven crying out to God "How long, O Lord, holy and true, do you not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?"
I'm glad we can still laugh and not ourselves too seriously.I accept your failure to prove your point.
In the bible damnation = burning in hell forever.Dear Dave: You have no grasp on what the koine krino means!
1. What is damnation?
2. According to the Scriptures, are there degrees of damnation?
3. Are the elect first-fruits of the Father's prevenient grace subject to damnation? Does damnation begin at the House of God?
"For the time is come when damnation must begin at the House of God."
You must throw away large portions of the bible to hold your views. We already showed how Jesus did not pay for the Pharisees sins in John 10. Certainly these are not saved.Dear Dave: How true! God is not discovered, He is revealed by the Spirit of the Lord.
There are many dwelling places in Father's House or many places of abode. Those dimensions are varied running from beyond, beyond to the broadest base of union with Him, the Source of all & the Goal of all.
Our God is the Saviour of all mankind but He is the Saviour malista of those who believe or trust in Him. Among those who trust in Him are those who have been in the Fire of His Glory being hurt over & over again until there is nothing left to "hurt". In short, the purpose of the cross is to do away with you, blessed riddance. And among the malista are a small elite group who follow the Lamb in the withersoever.
Make zero mistake, Dave, the elect are the malista. They are a vital part of the Father's intention to restore the whole creation back into fellowship with the Author & Finisher. They are not the whole enchilada!
But we also have a resurrection of Damnation that unravels your entire scheme.God gave a king over to an - insane mind - for 7 years (Daniel 4) before Love Omnipotent restored his sanity & he worshipped God.
Dan.4:33 The same hour was the thing fulfilled upon Nebuchadnezzar: and he was driven from men, and did eat grass as oxen, and his body was wet with the dew of heaven, till his hairs were grown like eagles' feathers, and his nails like birds' claws.
34a But at the end of that period, I, Nebuchadnezzar, raised my eyes toward heaven and my reason returned to me, and I blessed the Most High and praised and honored Him...
36 At that time my reason returned to me. And my majesty and splendor were restored to me for the glory of my kingdom, and my counselors and my nobles began seeking me out; so I was reestablished in my sovereignty, and surpassing greatness was added to me. 37 Now I, Nebuchadnezzar, praise, exalt and honor the King of heaven, for all His works are true and His ways just, and He is able to humble those who walk in pride.
Love Omnipotent still seeks to save apostates from the faith:
1 Tim.1:19 holding on to faith and a good conscience, which some have rejected and thereby shipwrecked their faith. 20 Among them are Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I have handed over to Satan to be taught not to blaspheme.
Consider also:
Isa.57:17 “Because of the iniquity of his unjust gain I was angry and struck him;
I hid My face and was angry, And he went on turning away, in the way of his heart.
18“I have seen his ways, but I will heal him;
I will lead him and restore comfort to him and to his mourners,
https://www.tentmaker.org/books/hope_beyond_hell.pdf
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“And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father. From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.” (John 6:65–66)Who will come to Him (Jn.6:37)? Isaiah says all who were angry with Him:
Isa.45:24 The people will declare, "The LORD is the source of all my righteousness and strength." And all who were angry with him will come to him and be ashamed.
All will be drawn to Christ (Jn.12:32).
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In the bible damnation = burning in hell forever.
But we also have a resurrection of Damnation that unravels your entire scheme.
“Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:” (Matthew 25:41)Dear Dave: You have no grasp on what the koine krino means!
1. What is damnation?
2. According to the Scriptures, are there degrees of damnation?
3. Are the elect first-fruits of the Father's prevenient grace subject to damnation? Does damnation begin at the House of God?
"For the time is come when damnation must begin at the House of God."
“Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:” (Matthew 25:41)"For the time is come when damnation must begin at the House of God."
“Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:” (Matthew 25:41)
If Jesus didn't want the world to know Him, then why did He clearly prayed that the whole world may believe that Yahweh sent Jesus on Earth and the Jesus is the son of God?But, He didn't pray for what you said. He prayed for the Apostles and "for those who believe in Me through their word that they may be one, even as You Father, are in Me and I in You, that they also may be in Us." He prayed that "so that the world may believe that You sent Me." He wasn't praying the same thing for the world as He was for the others and He CERTAINLY DID NOT pray that the world may know Him. He simply prayed for " that the world may believe that The Father sent The Son."
You are correct on this one point Jesus did inspire the words of Paul. Everything Jesus is recorded as saying in the NT occurred long before Paul wrote anything and Jesus would not, could not contradict Himself. Therefore anything Paul said can reasonably, logically only be interpreted to agree with not contradict anything Jesus said. Your entire post which I quoted above is nothing but the same old, same old repetitious "I'm right and you're wrong! Am too! Nuh huh!.". . . No, Jesus is the author of Paul's inspired inerrant words which are just as inspired & inerrant as any other Scriptures. In fact Jesus said the disciples could not bear to hear many things before His death, but when the Spirit would come He (the Spirit of truth) would teach them, guide them into all truth, and show them things to come. . .
If Jesus didn't want the world to know Him, then why did He clearly prayed that the whole world may believe that Yahweh sent Jesus on Earth and the Jesus is the son of God?
Doesn't God live the whole world , and not the elect only, as the famous verse, John 3:16 says?
Dear Dave: You have no grasp on what the koine krino means!
1. What is damnation?
2. According to the Scriptures, are there degrees of damnation?
3. Are the elect first-fruits of the Father's prevenient grace subject to damnation? Does damnation begin at the House of God?
"For the time is come when damnation must begin at the House of God."
Hello FL
I think Perish is the word that you may be looking for
John 3:16
For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that everyone who believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life.…
so let's go and find this word to see if we can clarify it...
ZECHARIAH 13:7
Awake, O sword, against My shepherd, against the man who is My Companion,” declares the LORD of Hosts. “Strike the shepherd, and the sheep will be scattered, and I will turn My hand against the little ones. 8And in all the land,” declares the LORD, “two-thirds will be cut off and PERISH, but a third will be left in it. 9This third I will bring through the fire; I will refine them like silver and test them like gold. They will call on My name, and I will answer them. I will say, ‘They are My people,’ and they will say, ‘The LORD is our God.’”…
What is Fire? and how many Perished here?
Those who perished were cut off - those who went through the fire went on to be God's people.
Do we have the Broad and Narrow gate here?
“And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him
of my Father. From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.” (John 6:65–66)
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