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resurrection of damnation????Dave when people reason the scriptures together it should be quid pro quo. If you cannot be bother doing that then why should I keep answering any of your questions?
So if you answer my one post that I asked you to answer I will answer yours, the reason being is because you do not want to look at what you believe you only want to look at what I believe.
Fairs fair Dave, lets put BOTH views under the microscope, but to do that you have to be willing to look at your own belief.
resurrection of damnation????
again and again and again these scripture have NOTHING to do with FEW entering in NOW. Yet you keep equating it to the salvation of all in the future and those scripture say NOTHING about the future state of the rest of mankind.
Now for the 4 or 5 time can you please answer this post.
context Dave. that verse does not contradict that few are entering into the kingdom of heaven NOW.
If it is talking about only FEW ever being saved did God then forget his promise to Abe that his seed would be as the stars of heaven and as the sand by the seashore?
Are the stars of the heavens FEW?
Are the sands by the seashore FEW?
Dave when people reason the scriptures together it should be quid pro quo. If you cannot be bother doing that then why should I keep answering any of your questions?
So if you answer my one post that I asked you to answer I will answer yours, the reason being is because you do not want to look at what you believe you only want to look at what I believe.
Fairs fair Dave, lets put BOTH views under the microscope, but to do that you have to be willing to look at your own belief.
I accept your failure to prove your point.When you decide to actually reason the scriptures with me let me know, until then...later...
I accept your failure to prove your point.
resurrection of damnation = you loose.I did prove my point dave, but because you refuse to answer my 1 (such a big number) post you missed the point.
If those scriptures are referring to a future life as you believe they are and only a FEW are saved then God went back on His promise to Abe.
Which is why you keep refusing to answer my post.
resurrection of damnation = you loose.
No, just saying you haven't any cattle to go with all that hat.oh I see you are playing a game and don't want to come to the truth, for you it is all about winning.
When I became a man I put away childish things.
20 “I do not ask on behalf of these alone, but for those also who believe in Me through their word; 21 that they may all be one; even as You, Father, are in Me and I in You, that they also may be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me." (John 17:20-1)
Within that very same prayer Jesus actually prayed that the world may know him through his apostles and their work. The next day when he got crucified, He asked the Father to forgive those who crucified him.
"I told you, but you would not listen. Why do you want me to share it again? Do you also want to be one of His disciples?"
Jesus Himself warned of Gehenna, fire, outer darkness, Lake of Fire--that is a lot of warnings about something from One who does is not a liar--if in fact it is a big hoax. Jesus Himself told a story about a soul who was in Hades suffering and Hades isn't even Gehenna. Jesus Himself warned the churches that He would only reward the overcomers in Rev 2 & 3. The end of the Revelation of Jesus Christ to John also speaks of people being cast into the same Lake of Fire as the devil, the beast, the false prophet, death and hades. That's a whole lot of entities thrown into a place that doesn't exist, if "hell is a coax".
So, the author of the article you defend is, at best, being intentionally deceptive by the his choice of words in his title. I choose to believe Jesus. If His issue was with the length of time, then a title like "Hell is not eternal and here's why" or "The Truth about Hell" or "What Real Christians Believe about Hell"; but to claim "hell is a hoax" is an outright lie provable without game-playing Scriptures. To believe all of what God says doesn't require hyper-exaggerating part of the character of God to the exclusion of the rest of the character of God.
You have chosen to put yourself in a position of judging God, if you are wrong--because you have called Him names. I understand that is why you have to convince yourself, to the exclusion of everything that Jesus says, that you are right.
And someone said to him, “Lord, will those who are saved be few?” And he said to them, “Strive to enter through the narrow door. For many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able. Luke 13:23–24
??? said:Luke 13:23-28
23 Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them,
24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.
25 When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:
26 Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets.
27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.
28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.
Luke 13:22-24 . . And he went through the cities and villages, teaching, and journeying toward Jerusalem. Then said one unto him, master, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them: Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.
What about all the verses that contradict this?
“All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out.” (John 6:37)
Many (most) never heard of Christ.
How are these to be saved?
“And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.” (Romans 1:28–32)
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Logical fallacy argument from silence. "Luke 13:24 does not say they 'will *never* be able to enter or never be saved"' so that means they will be saved. So if there is nothing that says flying spaghetti monsters don't exist that means they do exist. Who is Lord Jesus or Paul? Paul is not our standard for interpreting scripture, Jesus is. Paul knew the Greek word for "all,"/πᾶς he used it approximately 395 times so if Paul meant "all" in Romans 5:19 why didn't He use the Greek word for "all" instead of the Greek word for "many"/πολύς.
Did God restore Nebuchadnezzar in this life or after he died? Do you have any proof texts which show God literally, actually restoring anyone after death? I don't mean inferring it from a verse that does not actually, literally say that. This is another one of those logical fallacies "Since God restored one person, that means He will restore everyone."God gave a king over to an - insane mind - for 7 years (Daniel 4) before Love Omnipotent restored his sanity & he worshipped God.
“God has made everything fit beautifully in its appropriate time, but he has also placed ignorance in the human heart so that people cannot discover what God has ordained, from the beginning to the end of their lives.” (Ecclesiastes 3:11)
resurrection of damnation????
Logical fallacy argument from silence. "Luke 13:24 does not say they 'will *never* be able to enter or never be saved"' so that means they will be saved.
Who is Lord Jesus or Paul? Paul is not our standard for interpreting scripture, Jesus is.
Paul knew the Greek word for "all,"/πᾶς he used it approximately 395 times so if Paul meant "all" in Romans 5:19 why didn't He use the Greek word for "all" instead of the Greek word for "many"/πολύς.
??? said:Let us look at this verse again:
??? said:"And these shall go away into eternal (aiōnios) punishment: but the righteous into life eternal (aiōnios)" (Mt.25:26).Since the structure of this verse is best described as being a "parallelism" then the Greek word aiōnios must carry with it the same meaning in both instances where it is used.
.....Since Jesus, not Paul, is the standard by which everything is measured, when something said by one of the NT writers seems to contradict the words of Jesus we interpret the NT writer to agree with the words of Jesus. We do not ignore the words of Jesus to make scripture supports someone's heterodox assumption/presuppositions.
This is another one of those logical fallacies "Since God restored one person, that means He will restore everyone."
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