Satisfaction Theory

[Not David]

I read somewhere that we are allowed to believe in Satisfaction Theory but not the one defined by Anselm. Can anyone give me more information about that?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I'm curious what happens to someone if they don't believe it ?

 

[crossnote]

Not sure about Anselm, but Peter is good authority...

1Pet 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

 

[Not David]

Not sure about Anselm, but Peter is good authority...

18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

What do you think this verse says?

 

[Mary Meg]

What do you mean, "we are allowed"? Who is allowing us or forbidding us?

 

[crossnote]

What do you think this verse says?

Obviously it is speaking of substitution...the just (Jesus), for the unjust (us).

 

[Not David]

What do you mean, "we are allowed"? Who is allowing us or forbidding us?

Some ideas can be against biblical principles about God. Like implying he hates us and Jesus was punished to save us from God.

 

[Not David]

Obviously it is speaking of substitution...the just (Jesus), for the unjust (us).

I am not against the idea of substitution.

 

[Mary Meg]

Some ideas can be against biblical principles about God. Like implying he hates us and Jesus was punished to save us from God.

Well, some people do believe something like that, don't they? Obviously no one is stopping them.

 

[prodromos]

Note to all, this thread is posted in the Eastern Orthodox sub forum.

 

[Not David]

Well, some people do believe something like that, don't they? Obviously no one is stopping them.

The Ecumenical Councils show we should care.

 

[Not David]

Note to all, this thread is posted in the Eastern Orthodox sub forum.

Isn't this the Debate Forum though?

 

[Mary Meg]

The Ecumenical Councils show we should care.

Oh, I'm not saying don't care... I guess what I'm getting at is... what authority says otherwise? I didn't realize we were in an Orthodox forum, I guess that adds a little context I overlooked...

 

[Not David]

Oh, I'm not saying don't care... I guess what I'm getting at is... what authority says otherwise? I didn't realize we were in an Orthodox forum, I guess that adds a little context I overlooked...

Ok, it looked kind of weird since you are the kind of person who seeks truth.

 

[Mary Meg]

Ok, it looked kind of weird since you are the kind of person who seeks truth.

I guess I'm just becoming conscious of the fact that most Christians don't actually recognize (or seek) any authority beyond their own interpretation of the Scriptures...

 

[Not David]

I guess I'm just becoming conscious of the fact that most Christians don't actually recognize (or seek) any authority beyond their own interpretation of the Scriptures...

As I say, everyone becomes their own pope.

 

[ArmyMatt]

I read somewhere that we are allowed to believe in Satisfaction Theory but not the one defined by Anselm. Can anyone give me more information about that?

the Father didn't pour out His wrath on His Son and He didn't abandon His Son on the Cross. Christ actually says the opposite in I believe John's Gospel.

 

[HTacianas]

I read somewhere that we are allowed to believe in Satisfaction Theory but not the one defined by Anselm. Can anyone give me more information about that?

As I understand it, the difference hinges on the definition of "justice". In Western thought, justice carries a legalistic definition, i.e., for every crime a punishment is due. Eastern thought defines justice as "the ordering of the universe". In the West, Christ's death paid the penalty for Adam's sin, in the East, Christ's death reestablished the order of the universe disordered by Adam's sin.

I personally maintain both ideas at once with "not only" and "but also" i.e., not only did Christ's death pay the legal penalty for Adam's sin, but also reestablished the order of the universe.

But that is merely my opinion and my opinion means nothing.

 

[crossnote]

I am not against the idea of substitution.

Never said you were.

 

[crossnote]

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I guess I'm just becoming conscious of the fact that most Christians don't actually recognize (or seek) any authority beyond their own interpretation of the Scriptures...

Maybe that's because in the Judgment we won't be able to say "but so and so said'.