satanic music

[absolutely_lost_86]

yeh a lot of metal is, but sum bands like iron maiden even though a couple of songs r satanic sum of them r quite spiritua;l

 

[oldrooster]

It also depends on your age, you are a lot more open to influence at 15-20 than at 40. I can listen to Sabbbath all day, does not change how I feel.

 

[EliasEmmanuel]

I think Marilyn Manson is particularly repulsive. Wonder what his reaction will be 5 seconds after his arrival at Judgment?

I don't find him repulsive, I find him convicting.

Marilyn Manson grew up going to Christian School and is the son of a Pastor, and still his entire understanding of Christianity comes down to "slaves" trying to earn their way into Heaven and crushing peoples' spirits.

I find this convicting because Manson is, in a very real way, a child of the american church. I think we need to look at him, and then take a look at what we're telling the world, and those young believers growing up among us, about Jesus. What he sings about is certainly what someone told him, directly or not.

Frankly, I'd welcome the chance to have a cup of coffee with the guy.

 

[EliasEmmanuel]

yeh a lot of metal is, but sum bands like iron maiden even though a couple of songs r satanic sum of them r quite spiritua;l

Actually, Dave Mustane's a Christian now.....

 

[nadroj1985]

Frankly, I'd welcome the chance to have a cup of coffee with the guy.

Heavens! But aren't you afraid that his evilness will utterly corrupt your soul?!?!?!?!?

 

[EliasEmmanuel]

Heavens! But aren't you afraid that his evilness will utterly corrupt your soul?!?!?!?!?

HA!!

I'll appeal to something a Pastor friend of mine once said to me..... he was in line for a Manson show in San Diego with a couple of the kids he knew, and well meaning Christians were screaming at the crowd that they were going to hell. He just thought "You don't understand, I'm going to hell if I DON'T go in!".

Manson's no boogieman: he's just a man, possibly a more honest one about what he is than most of us. Besides, I'm not exactly Johhney 3-Piece-Suit myself....

 

[nadroj1985]

I like your pastor

 

[EliasEmmanuel]

I like your pastor

So do I

 

[PastorCappy]

Music has a profound and subtle effect on the minds of listeners. I believe that certain musical patterns ...(Ps139)

I'd just like to say that what you believe and think is really meaningless unless you can back it up with hard facts. Is there some research that shows that what you believe about Satanic music is true?

WASHINGTON (3/6/03) - Songs with violent lyrics increase aggression related thoughts and emotions and this effect is directly related to the violence in the lyrics, according to a new study published by the American Psychological Association (APA). The findings, appearing in the May issue of the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, contradicts popular notions of positive catharsis or venting effects of listening to angry, violent music on violent thoughts and feelings.

In a series of five experiments involving over 500 college students, researchers from Iowa State University and the Texas Department of Human Services examined the effects of seven violent songs by seven artists and eight nonviolent songs by seven artists. The students listened to the songs and were given various psychological tasks to measure aggressive thoughts and feelings. One such task involved participants classifying words that can have both aggressive and nonaggressive meanings, such as rock and stick.

To control for factors not related to the content of the lyrics, the violent and nonviolent songs were sung by the same artists and were in the same musical style in three of the experiments. In the two other experiments, the researchers tested the arousal properties of the songs to make sure the violent-lyric effects were not due to differences in arousal. Also, individual personality differences related to hostility were assessed and controlled. The study also included songs with humorous lyrics to see how humor interacted with violent song lyrics and aggressive thoughts.

Results of the five experiments show that violent songs led to more aggressive interpretations of ambiguously aggressive words, increased the relative speed with which people read aggressive vs. nonaggressive words, and increased the proportion of word fragments (such as h_t) that were filled in to make aggressive words (such as hit). The violent songs increased feelings of hostility without provocation or threat, according to the authors, and this effect was not the result of differences in musical style, specific performing artist or arousal properties of the songs. Even the humorous violent songs increased aggressive thoughts.

The violent-song increases in aggressive thoughts and feelings have implications for real world violence, according to lead researcher Craig A. Anderson, Ph.D. of Iowa State University. "Aggressive thoughts can influence perceptions of ongoing social interactions, coloring them with an aggressive tint. Such aggression-biased interpretations can, in turn, instigate a more aggressive response -verbal or physical - than would have been emitted in a nonbiased state, thus provoking an aggressive escalatory spiral of antisocial exchanges," said Dr. Anderson.

The study investigated precursors to aggression rather than aggressive behavior itself. More research is needed, say the authors, to identify the short-term and long-term effects of violent song lyrics. Repeated exposure to violent lyrics may contribute to the development of an aggressive personality and could indirectly create a more hostile social environment, although the authors say it is possible that the effects of violent songs may last only a fairly short time.

"One major conclusion from this and other research on violent entertainment media is that content matters," said Dr. Anderson. "This message is important for all consumers, but especially for parents of children and adolescents."

(Article: "Exposure to Violent Media: The Effects of Songs With Violent Lyrics on Aggressive Thoughts and Feelings," Craig A. Anderson and Nicholas L. Carnagey, Iowa State University and Janie Eubanks, Texas Department of Human Services; Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, Vol. 84, No. 5.)


There are numerous other news stories and scientific studies to cite as well, but this post is plenty long enough with this one excerpt from the APA. I would have just provided the link for the entire study, but I am new to the forum and not allowed to do that just yet.

I constantly hear people justify their music preferences with the remark that the lyrics do not mean anything to them and that they only listen to it for the music. Try this: Get a room full of folks who "only listen to it for the music" and begin to sing the lyrics to an artist known to the group. I have done this. Within seconds they are all singing along. The expression on each face can only be described as "Dude, I know this song!" C'mon now, let's cut the ignorance bull! ALL behavioral science (I can quote more if really needed) agrees that the lyrics DO matter. You have to decide to willfully stick your head in the proverbial hole in the ground if you want to try and dispute the FACTS. The issue at hand for any informed, honest person is not IF the lyrics make a difference, but rather whether or not you care that they DO make a difference.

PC
RighteousRockRadio.com

 

[sad astronaut]

I don't find him repulsive, I find him convicting.

Marilyn Manson grew up going to Christian School and is the son of a Pastor, and still his entire understanding of Christianity comes down to "slaves" trying to earn their way into Heaven and crushing peoples' spirits.

I find this convicting because Manson is, in a very real way, a child of the american church. I think we need to look at him, and then take a look at what we're telling the world, and those young believers growing up among us, about Jesus. What he sings about is certainly what someone told him, directly or not.

Frankly, I'd welcome the chance to have a cup of coffee with the guy.

Interesting post, but I'm trying to grasp what you are saying. Are you saying it is convicting because Christians need to work harder to keep people in the flock, or are you saying that Christians need to do a better job of properly representing Christianity?

It appears that you are saying that Manson hates Christianity because he has a wrong perception of what Christianity is. Is this, in fact, what you are saying? It is possible that Manson has a skewed idea of what Christianity is. But it is entirely plausible that Manson gets Christianity just fine, and hates it nonetheless. There are many who know exactly who Jesus is all about, but still hate Christianity for one reason or another. Lucifer grew up in the presence of God, but remains Christianity's strongest opponent.

 

[PianoIsland]

Considering most "satanic" music is just mockery and rebellion against christian myths and not music from people who actually think they're praising Satan, I don't see a huge problem.

But then again, I don't listen to nazi metal, so I'm not about to bash anyone for not listening to satanic music.

It does, of course, become a little silly to suggest that if the music you listen to doesn't bring you closer to God, it's wrong. What kind of lame art appreciation is that?

 

[PianoIsland]

WASHINGTON (3/6/03) - Songs with violent lyrics increase aggression related thoughts and emotions and this effect is directly related to the violence in the lyrics, according to a new study published by the American Psychological Association (APA). The findings, appearing in the May issue of the Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, contradicts popular notions of positive catharsis or venting effects of listening to angry, violent music on violent thoughts and feelings.

In a series of five experiments involving over 500 college students, researchers from Iowa State University and the Texas Department of Human Services examined the effects of seven violent songs by seven artists and eight nonviolent songs by seven artists. The students listened to the songs and were given various psychological tasks to measure aggressive thoughts and feelings. One such task involved participants classifying words that can have both aggressive and nonaggressive meanings, such as rock and stick.

To control for factors not related to the content of the lyrics, the violent and nonviolent songs were sung by the same artists and were in the same musical style in three of the experiments. In the two other experiments, the researchers tested the arousal properties of the songs to make sure the violent-lyric effects were not due to differences in arousal. Also, individual personality differences related to hostility were assessed and controlled. The study also included songs with humorous lyrics to see how humor interacted with violent song lyrics and aggressive thoughts.

Results of the five experiments show that violent songs led to more aggressive interpretations of ambiguously aggressive words, increased the relative speed with which people read aggressive vs. nonaggressive words, and increased the proportion of word fragments (such as h_t) that were filled in to make aggressive words (such as hit). The violent songs increased feelings of hostility without provocation or threat, according to the authors, and this effect was not the result of differences in musical style, specific performing artist or arousal properties of the songs. Even the humorous violent songs increased aggressive thoughts.

The violent-song increases in aggressive thoughts and feelings have implications for real world violence, according to lead researcher Craig A. Anderson, Ph.D. of Iowa State University. "Aggressive thoughts can influence perceptions of ongoing social interactions, coloring them with an aggressive tint. Such aggression-biased interpretations can, in turn, instigate a more aggressive response -verbal or physical - than would have been emitted in a nonbiased state, thus provoking an aggressive escalatory spiral of antisocial exchanges," said Dr. Anderson.

The study investigated precursors to aggression rather than aggressive behavior itself. More research is needed, say the authors, to identify the short-term and long-term effects of violent song lyrics. Repeated exposure to violent lyrics may contribute to the development of an aggressive personality and could indirectly create a more hostile social environment, although the authors say it is possible that the effects of violent songs may last only a fairly short time.

"One major conclusion from this and other research on violent entertainment media is that content matters," said Dr. Anderson. "This message is important for all consumers, but especially for parents of children and adolescents."

(Article: "Exposure to Violent Media: The Effects of Songs With Violent Lyrics on Aggressive Thoughts and Feelings," Craig A. Anderson and Nicholas L. Carnagey, Iowa State University and Janie Eubanks, Texas Department of Human Services; Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, Vol. 84, No. 5.)


There are numerous other news stories and scientific studies to cite as well, but this post is plenty long enough with this one excerpt from the APA. I would have just provided the link for the entire study, but I am new to the forum and not allowed to do that just yet.

I constantly hear people justify their music preferences with the remark that the lyrics do not mean anything to them and that they only listen to it for the music. Try this: Get a room full of folks who "only listen to it for the music" and begin to sing the lyrics to an artist known to the group. I have done this. Within seconds they are all singing along. The expression on each face can only be described as "Dude, I know this song!" C'mon now, let's cut the ignorance bull! ALL behavioral science (I can quote more if really needed) agrees that the lyrics DO matter. You have to decide to willfully stick your head in the proverbial hole in the ground if you want to try and dispute the FACTS. The issue at hand for any informed, honest person is not IF the lyrics make a difference, but rather whether or not you care that they DO make a difference.

PC
RighteousRockRadio.com

So what? I listen to some music with lyrical contents involving necrophilia and assorted grossness. Does that make me aggressive? I listen to mellow acoustic songs with lovey-dopey lyrics too. Does that make me tender? Does it even out the other music?

 

[nadroj1985]

It does, of course, become a little silly to suggest that if the music you listen to doesn't bring you closer to God, it's wrong.

Not if your definition of "wrong" is "that which separates one from God."

What kind of lame art appreciation is that?

The kind that worries more about what is beneficial to the person than how appreciative one is toward so-called "good" art.

 

[EliasEmmanuel]

Interesting post, but I'm trying to grasp what you are saying. Are you saying it is convicting because Christians need to work harder to keep people in the flock, or are you saying that Christians need to do a better job of properly representing Christianity?

Basically..... yes. IMO they're often 2 sides of one coin.

It appears that you are saying that Manson hates Christianity because he has a wrong perception of what Christianity is. Is this, in fact, what you are saying? It is possible that Manson has a skewed idea of what Christianity is. But it is entirely plausible that Manson gets Christianity just fine, and hates it nonetheless.

That's true, and entirely possible. But if so, the version of Christianity he's criticizing is quite incorrect (but does, however, represent some people's experience of church). I do recall catching part of something on TV some time ago in which, when asked, he basically said he didn't have a problem with Christianity so much as what people do with it. All the good ideas in the world mean very little if they're not realized.

There are many who know exactly who Jesus is all about, but still hate Christianity for one reason or another. Lucifer grew up in the presence of God, but remains Christianity's strongest opponent.

Again, true. But I think too often people are ready to dismiss Christianity's opponents and detractors as "God-haters" when more often they've never met God and just hate us. There are going to be those who do know what Jesus taught and think it's so much bovine excreta, but in my experience, my talks with people who're torqued at Christianity usually find me saying "well, yeah I disagree with that too..... but that's not what the Bible actually teaches" to one degree or another.

As I said, there will be those who know and reject.... we just really can't assume they know, because many people's contact with the Church is cursory at best and there is a lot of outright false stuff being pushed out there. And regardless, we in the Body are responsible for our public face.

So I'd still welcome a cup of coffee and long chat with the guy.

 

[AndOne]

Marylon Manson is no different than your ordinary TV preacher such as Jimmy Swaggart or Jim Baker - they have all the same traits: Driven by greed - and don't have a clue what the heck they are talking about.

Enjoy your cup of coffee with Manson - just be prepared to pick up the tab!

 

[EliasEmmanuel]

Marylon Manson is no different than your ordinary TV preacher such as Jimmy Swaggart or Jim Baker - they have all the same traits: Driven by greed - and don't have a clue what the heck they are talking about.

And, let's not forget, people God loves and Christ died for, and we are thus commanded to love.

(Incidentally, I've met Jim Bakker's son and that's made me a tad more careful about how I bander people's names about. 1, these are real people not characters, and 2, there's more to them than their wrongs, in this case perpetrated years ago and publically repented of)

Enjoy your cup of coffee with Manson - just be prepared to pick up the tab!

I've got no problem with that

 

[PastorCappy]

So what?

Well, the "so what" seems evident. I was responding to an inquiry for evidence to affirm the claim that lyrical content has any effect on the listener. Numerous studies, including the one I quoted, demonstrate that lyrical content does have an impact on the listener. I am not suggesting that this is bad or good or that all those who listen to so-called "Satanic music" will go out and offer the blood of puppies on full moon nights to receive power from the dark side (I'm being sarcastic, so everyone just settle down). I'm simply saying that if you want facts, here are the facts. You can embrace them, hate them, dismiss them, whatever you like. They are nonetheless the facts.

I listen to some music with lyrical contents involving necrophilia and assorted grossness. Does that make me aggressive?

I don't know. Statistically speaking, when listening to that music your aggressive tendencies probably increase, but I cannot say that this is or is not the case with you.

I listen to mellow acoustic songs with lovey-dopey lyrics too. Does that make me tender?

Again, I don't know. If the facts concerning lyrical content have the same or similar effect on a variety of emotions, responses and behaviors, then I guess that statistically speaking your "tender" tendencies would increase when listening to this music. Then again, I cannot say that this is or is not the case with you.

Does it even out the other music?

Hmmmm....

Clever idea? Don't know. Don't care. I doubt it works that way. If I eat a double cheeseburger from a fast-food restaurant and then decide I better get a salad as well, it is not as if I have lowered the intake of fat and cholesterol by including an increased intake in veggies as well. Granted, that is a metaphor that attempts to draw parallels between the physical and the psycho-social, so it obviously breaks down at some point. For whatever it is worth.

PC
RighteousRockRadio.com

 

[AndOne]

And, let's not forget, people God loves and Christ died for, and we are thus commanded to love.

I agree with you there - but it doesn't change the fact they have no idea what the heck they are talking/singing about. Being called to love someone doesn't mean you have to listen to their stupidity or go to their concerts.

I have no problem with you if you want to do that - but you seem to be putting Manson up on some kind of pedastal for reasons that I don't understand.

Perhaps its to try and reach out to his fan base - I don't know - but do you really think those kids are going to buy into that? Why not tell it like it is? Its all about the almighty $$$ - plain and simple. Best to expose him for the fraud he is rather than try to give him some kind of credibility - because ultimately his message is false and potentially destructive - he doesn't care who it hurts or how bad - wheather or not his bank account is full is all that matters to him.

 

[Athanasian Creed]

Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Faith comes by hearing the Word of God.

Matthew 12:34 O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.

Luke 6:45 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.

Every group "preaches" something from what is within their hearts. If they are controlled by the Spirit of God, they will speak the Word of God and the Spirit of God can, using the lyrics, produce saving faith within the heart of the hearer.

On the other hand, hardcore Satanic groups or just the party-hearty-hedonistic ones also "preach" a message that comes from within their hearts. If they are not Christians, they are controlled by the god of this world and he most definitely uses music to further his cause. There are most definitely groups who offer their music to Satan, who are sold out to him. Their music can cause people to be faithless and haters of God - Satan's power to work is no less evident than that of the Holy Spirit - one draws away from God the Other towards God - the difference being what is spoken and w(W)ho is in control.

I'm NOT saying ALL secular music is antichrist - there are many good secular songs. I also agree that just because a group is Christian doesn't mean the music itself is a work of art, some of it is pitiful to say the least.

Philippians 4:8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.

Let the above be the guide we use to determine what we should listen to (or not listen to)


Ray

 

[~person~]

If you dont like the music then don't listen to it. Just forget about it and listen to your music. Personally I think that alot of the christian music is extremely boring but you dont see me posting a thread about how **** it is. If the music is evil does that make my friends and I evil? If it does than I'm glad I dont believe in heaven and hell.