satanic music

[Avenger21]

Well I listen to a lot of rock and some people who hear it think it is devil music just because of the hard structure and beat of the music

 

[draper]

androids - 'Axver, i think the difference between you and I is that you seem to be a U2 fanatic (and there is nothing wrong with that) I am not a fanatic of any band whatsoever... I listen to so many different bands with so many different messages that I find it easy to not let what they are saying get to my head.'

Yeah, you may have a point. Being so into U2 means I have been quite influenced by their music. However, I also find myself being influenced by the other music I listen to ... not as much, but it still happens. I suppose it can depend on the person, really.

'when i say Satanic music, i mean lyrics that praise Satan.. not secular music...'

Honestly, I'd avoid that. I just don't want to hear that. I see it as stupid, anyway: why would you want to praise the most evil thing in existence? I'd probably refuse to listen to it just because of the sheer daft nature of it.

Typical comment I'd make;
"Yeah, great, so you're praising Satan? How lovely. You do realise he's going to lose, don't you? Praising him isn't going to help you one iota. It's completely defeating the purpose of just about everything, mate."

Well first you need to believe that Satan IS evil in the first place.

Personally I think that God seems eviler then Satan, but thats a whole new topic.

So I dont see any reason why I shouldnt listen to Satanic music

 

[yamijoku]

God and Christ are the only Beings that are pure good!
I'm 12 and I would like to say:

 

[kiwisdontdrinktea]

Music has a profound and subtle effect on the minds of listeners. I believe that certain musical patterns ...

I'd just like to say that what you believe and think is really meaningless unless you can back it up with hard facts. Is there some research that shows that what you believe about Satanic music is true? Or is this just one false assumption leading to another. Satanic music must be composed by a Satanist because ... is not proof, it is just you thinking that this must be the case.

That would be like me saying that all people who sing hymns believe in God. Is the writer of End of Days the movie a Stanist, or is Stephen King a Satanist because he wrote The Stand? Or does Shakespeare believe in ghosts because of Hamlet? Somethings are done purely for entertainment value.

I think people throw around opinions and beliefs too much without much thought. This is not to say I listen to Satanist music. I just think we should protect our rights to free speech unless we can prove that it is harmfull with hard science and research.

 

[ps139]

If you quote me please quote all of what I wrote and do not take me out of context

Music has a profound and subtle effect on the minds of listeners. I believe that certain musical patterns and structures can affect people without them even knowing it. Plato, one of the world's greatest thinkers, said that music should be regulated by the state because of its powerful effects. While I totally disagree with state control over music, I believe that at some level he has a point. I don't agree with him on much, but lets face it, he wasn't exactly an idiot. Listening to music that praises Satan...lets examine this.
1. I'm sure the composer is satanist. (Why else would he write the song? If it were for money he'd sell out and write some crappy 3 chord pop song) Do you want to give his inner feelings the chance to enter your mind? I believe that music has that power....it can stir up and enhance any emotion.
2. Whether or not you try to "ignore" the lyrics, they are subconsciosly stored in your mind. Not Good.
3. When you play it, there is a good chance others will hear it. What if they love the message and become involved in satanism? Not good.

 

[ps139]

I'd just like to say that what you believe and think is really meaningless unless you can back it up with hard facts.

I havent seen one "fact" in your post, so.....

Is there some research that shows that what you believe about Satanic music is true? Or is this just one false assumption leading to another. Satanic music must be composed by a Satanist because ... is not proof, it is just you thinking that this must be the case.

Common sense does not need to be backed up by research.
Why else would someone write a song satan, unless he wanted to praise satan (and therefore he was satanist)???

That would be like me saying that all people who sing hymns believe in God.

Any professional who sings a praise hymn, yes, they believe in God, why else would they sing it?
Unless of course they did it for the money. but since there is not a big "Satanic music" market out there, it would not be a valid comparison with a Christian song.

Is the writer of End of Days the movie a Stanist, or is Stephen King a Satanist because he wrote The Stand? Or does Shakespeare believe in ghosts because of Hamlet? Somethings are done purely for entertainment value.

Writing a fiction novel or play is totally different from creating and singing a praise song. Not a valid comparison.

I think people throw around opinions and beliefs too much without much thought. This is not to say I listen to Satanist music. I just think we should protect our rights to free speech unless we can prove that it is harmfull with hard science and research.

1. I think you are throwing around your opinion
2. There will never be a scientific test that can measure the effects of music or lyrics on the soul.

 

[blackwasp]

There will never be a scientific test that can measure the effects of music or lyrics on the soul.

Great point.

 

[allieisme]

i dont get it... what is the problem with satanic music? i mean, if the music is good, can't you just ignore the message? i'd say that 95% of the music i listen to has a message that is completley irrelevant to me.. i still like it though, but couldnt care less about the lyrics...

Well if your Christian your statement cannot make sense. If you think the music is SATANIC than it can't be good coming from the devil, or a song about the devil, thats why its satanic. How can you ignore the message of the song if it is satanic, I mean that is completely different that secular music....

 

[brettnolan]

Now about Christian versus secular. Many Christian bands lack something that other bands like U2 have (I'm going to use U2 as an example because I know them well, but there's plenty of other good examples out there). When signed under a Christian label, there's certain things you can't write. You can't question, like U2 has done in 'I Still Haven't Found What I'm Looking For', 'Wake Up Dead Man', 'If God Will Send His Angels' or even 'The Wanderer'. You couldn't write something like 'Wire', 'Bad', or 'Running To Stand Still' because that implies you know someone who used/uses heroin. You couldn't roleplay like in 'Until The End Of The World' (Judas talking to Jesus) or 'The Fly' (described as about a man in Hell who's realised everything too late). The rules are very strange, and many Christian songs just sound like a remix of 'Jesus Loves Me' because the subject matter is so incredibly limited. The message is very simple and just doesn't seem real. There's no depth like in U2's music. Christian music only appeals to Christians and alienates everyone else, whereas Christian secular stuff like U2 appeals to both sides of the fence, paints a very real picture, and can even bring people to Christ (or save their faith, like with me).

Why did I never see this argument posted when the forum was still in the other section and this subject came up? This is the BEST, by far, argument I have heard on this subject yet. Well done, Axver!

Don't agree with the part in red, though.

 

[maxterino]

I think Marilyn Manson is particularly repulsive. Wonder what his reaction will be 5 seconds after his arrival at Judgment?

 

[nadroj1985]

^^I think I probably agree with the red part as well. Nice post Axver

 

[DJ B.K.]

I personally think there's nothing wrong with having some music appealing only to Christians though. Sometimes that's what I'm in the mood for. i do listen to both christian and secular music though.

 

[Axver]

Thanks guys about the post! Wow, it's surprising to see this thread come back. I was just a newbie then, heh.

On the part in red, I do feel Christian music alienates non-Christians because of its specific position - it's something made just for Christians. People may try to use it as an evangelistic tool, but the premise of it is that it's for believers. So that's why I argue in favour of Christian secular over Christian. But really, I can see why someone would disagree with me and it's not something I'd wish to argue.

 

[absolutely_lost_86]

i agree with u axver

 

[Darwin was right]

ok. any of you ****in christians who think AC/DC stands for Anti-Christ Demon Child are just stupid. I mean I bet you havent even listened to the lyrics to any other song than highway to hell. THEY SING ABOUT ROCK N' ROLL! Christians are ignorant, fat and ugly. Metal is the best music to ever exist.



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[oldrooster]

I agree with axver as well.

 

[thrash]

I listen to/own satanic music actually. A lot of Heavy Metal just is. I like the music a lot and yeah I ignore the lyrics. Some times I just laugh at them even. I dont let them effect me in any way. I have gotten ride of music that bashed chrisitianty or Jesus Christ. I don't care if your singing about satan but if you put down the Lord then I aint going to listen to it.

 

[Mr.Cheese]

Why does all the good music worship satan?
*mr.cheese ponders*

 

[sad astronaut]

i dont get it... what is the problem with satanic music? i mean, if the music is good, can't you just ignore the message? i'd say that 95% of the music i listen to has a message that is completley irrelevant to me.. i still like it though, but couldnt care less about the lyrics...

Okay, take a step back and look at things from a broader perspective. What is something that you believe in strongly and would be offended if someone said otherwise?

What if someone sang about your mother or father by name and talked about how terrible they were?

Or, what if someone sang about how the white race was supreme and all other races should bow down and serve the white man? Can you ignore the lyrics then?

These scenarios may seem to have nothing to do with satanic music, but i'm trying to introduce to the non-Christian person how a believer views satanic music.

 

[Cinderella1]

The music you listen to over time does have a psycological effect over you. Im 15, my two favorite groups used to be Korn and System of a Down, mostly because they are psycho. I stopped listening to System of a Down after I looked over the lyrics to Chop Suey, in a way its a mockery of Jesus and from then on I determined they were probably getting their lyrics from all the wrong places. Korn is a group that hates, I used to hate alot, so therefore I liked them. I wanted to kill people and myself, thats how far my hate went. It was not the music that completely made me how horrible I was, I was listening to music that reflected how horrible I was and it only helped to make me worse (Its amazing how GOD changes people . Wouldnt advise listening to satanic music or really anything for that matter that brings your mind to think of sin.