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Satanic High Priest's Claim About The Origin Of Evolution

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Really? How can that be, what with evolution served up for breakfast, lunch, and dinner at every stinking grade school, high school, university, institution of higher learning, museums, movies, TV, even right wing radio hosts sing its praises....so how did you arrive at such a ridiculous conclusion that those critical of evolution know nothing about it? The problem is with those who are ignorant of the monumental existence of the criticism of evolution.
Histrionic hyperbole aside, because I see and read thr arguments against it and it's very obvious that Creationists have no understanding of evolution. "If we came from monkeys, why are there still monkeys", "a lizard crawled out of pond scum", "no one gas ever observed one species give birth to another species", etc.
Really? Where's the "evidence" for Cosmic evolution, Chemical evolution, Stellar evolution, Organic evolution and Macro evolution? Not one shred of evidence for this "evidence based" religion that calls itself science.
I need you to stay on topic. We're discussing evolution, not cosmology, nucleosynthesis, astrophysics or abiogenesis. Did you mean to prove my point that Creationists even understand what evolution is?
Like I said, before you climb on the internet and spout ridiculous, unobserved, unproven lies designed to erode the truth of Scripture, put down that tired old hot steaming plate of evolutionary gruel and reach for a fresh serving of Creation/Intelligent Design truth.
Histrionic drivel not worth taking seriously. Stick to the evidence and spare me superfluous prose.
 
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He let his denominational hatred for other Christians damage his relationship with God. That's foolish in my book.
How would you feel if someone characterized your position as "hatred for God"? Stop throwing around the "H" word and give reasons why the papacy IS NOT the Antichrist of Scripture - if you can find any...
Show us one of those. What do you have? Don't forget. I'll remind you, if necessary.
The eye could not have developed through slow, successive, slight modifications, and only dishonest, unscrupulous "scientists" point to "evidence" for it, and Christians who support that nonsense should be able to command mountains to be removed to the sea with the amount of faith required to believe such pseudoscience.
Biological evolution is observed to happen all around us. Perhaps you don't know what biological evolution is. What do you think it is? If you don't know, I'll explain it in the next post.
What you need to learn is the difference between "micro" evolution which happens all the time, and "macro" evolution which is a myth. That's why God commanded the creature to bring forth "after his kind", not a new kind.

Can you find anything in the fossil record to support your nonsense? YOU KNOW YOU CAN'T. We never find a half cow/half whale, or a half turtle/half something else. No matter how many "millions of years" old the fossil is, it's always a full this or full that.
Because you seem to know nothing at all about it. Here's your chance. What do you think biological evolution is? Either Darwin's definition or the definition after the rediscovery of genetics will be acceptable. What do you think it is?

You're up.
No, it's you who doesn't know anything. Disagree? Here's an opportunity to defend unobserved "biological evolution" by explaining this major headache for evolution:

The atheistic scientific community knows oxygen would have immediately oxidized and destroyed the molecules for life as soon as they burst forth into existence by whatever magical means evolutionists speculate, leaving no opportunity for them to hang around for millions of years before they came together to form the first cell...so to mitigate this problem, they claim the primitive atmosphere was not OXIDIZING, but REDUCING, meaning "no oxygen." Cool story, bro.

PROBLEM:
If there's no oxygen, there'd be no ozone layer.
If there was no ozone layer, cosmic rays would bombard the ocean surface.
If cosmic rays bombard the ocean surface, they split water into Hydrogen and Oxygen.
BOOM!!! Instant Oxidizing atmosphere.

So, evolution's unobserved "Primitive Reducing Atmosphere" theory is a textbook Catch 22.

Creation: 1
Evolution: 0

Game over.
 
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I'm not going to waste my time debating anyone who reject the plain words of Scripture.

That's not a card you should be playing when you don't accept "the plain words of Scripture" either.

And yes, I'm fully willing and capable of backing that statement up. I merely need to ask you if you believe what Jesus said at the Last Supper when He said, "This is My body".

Jesus HIMSELF said humans were made "male and female" - not the result of dumping a bunch of anthropomorphized lego blocks on the floor which accidentally underwent self-assembly, and eventually "evolved" into "he" and "she".

You are, once again, only demonstrating that you don't understand the theory of evolution.

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How would you feel if someone characterized your position as "hatred for God"?
I don't think he hated God. He hated Christians of certain churches he didn't like. I've been accused by people like him of hating God. They don't realize that when they try to push other Christians away from God, they only succeed in removing themselves from Him. Poor fellows.

Stop throwing around the "H" word and give reasons why the papacy IS NOT the Antichrist of Scripture - if you can find any...
Yeah, like that. It's very bad for your soul. Not that there haven't been Catholics that hateful; the Reformation had love of God on all sides, but hatred of men on all sides as well. We could argue that Luther's hatred for Jews made him the AntiChrist, but it would be a foolish and hateful thing, which would damage our walk with God.

Avoid that kind of thing.

The eye could not have developed through slow, successive, slight modifications, and only dishonest, unscrupulous "scientists" point to "evidence" for it, and Christians who support that nonsense should be able to command mountains to be removed to the sea with the amount of faith required to believe such pseudoscience.
Turns out, some phyla still have living members that show the stages of eye evolution. Let's consider mollusks...

iu


Try again?

What you need to learn is the difference between "micro" evolution which happens all the time, and "macro" evolution which is a myth.
Well, let's ask Answers in Genesis, a prominent creationist group:

As creationists, we must frequently remind detractors that we do not deny that species vary, change, and even appear over time...Before the time of Charles Darwin, a false idea had crept into the church—the belief in the “fixity” or “immutability” of species. According to this view, each species was created in precisely the same form that we find it today. The Bible nowhere teaches that species are fixed and unchanging.
Speciation

Of course, they say, it's not "real evolution", even though it is exactly what evolution is by definition.


Can you find anything in the fossil record to support your nonsense?
Let's ask a prominent creationist, Dr. Kurt Wise:
Evidences for Darwin’s second expectation — of stratomorphic intermediate species — include such species as Baragwanathia27 (between
rhyniophytes and lycopods), Pikaia28 (between echinoderms and chordates), Purgatorius29 (between the tree shrews and the primates), and Proconsul30 (between the non-hominoid primates and the hominoids). Darwin’s third expectation — of higher-taxon stratomorphic intermediates — has been confirmed by such examples as the mammal-like reptile groups31 between the reptiles and the mammals, and the phenacodontids32 between the horses and their presumed ancestors

Darwin’s fourth expectation — of stratomorphic series — has been confirmed by such examples as the early bird series,33 the tetrapod series,34,35 the whale series,36 the various mammal series of the Cenozoic37 (for example, the horse series, the camel series, the elephant series, the pig
series, the titanothere series, etc.), the Cantius and Plesiadapus primate series,38 and the hominid series.39 Evidence for not just one but for all three of the species level and above types of stratomorphic intermediates expected by macroevolutionary theory is surely strong evidence for
macroevolutionary theory. Creationists therefore need to accept this fact.


We never find a half cow/half whale
Dr. Wise goes on...
At this point in time, the largest challenge from the stratomorphic intermediate record appears to this author to come from the fossil record of the whales. There is a strong stratigraphic series of archaeocete genera claimed by Gingerich60 (Ambulocetus, Rhodocetus, and Prozeuglodon
[or the similar-aged Basilosaurus]61) followed on the one hand by modern mysticetes,62 and on the other hand by the family Squalodontidae and then modern odontocetes.63 That same series is also a morphological series: Ambulocetus with the largest hind legs;64-66 Rhodocetus with hindlegs one- third smaller;67 Prozeuglodon with 6 inch hindlegs;68 and the remaining whales with virtually no to no hind legs: toothed mysticetes before non-toothed baleen whales;69 the squalodontid odontocetes with telescoped skull but triangular teeth;70 and the modern odontocetes with telescoped skulls and conical teeth. This series of fossils is thus a very powerful stratomorphic series.


No one says whales evolved from cows.

Because you seem to know nothing at all about it. Here's your chance. What do you think biological evolution is? Either Darwin's definition or the definition after the rediscovery of genetics will be acceptable. What do you think it is?

You're up.

(declines to answer)

That's the usual response. Not all creationists; some are quite knowledgeable. But most are like you, not knowing anything about it. But we'll look at your diversion, now...

Here's an opportunity to defend unobserved "biological evolution" by explaining this major headache for evolution:
Sounds scary....
The atheistic scientific community knows oxygen would have immediately oxidized and destroyed the molecules for life as soon as they burst forth into existence by whatever magical means evolutionists speculate, leaving no opportunity for them to hang around for millions of years before they came together to form the first cell...so to mitigate this problem, they claim the primitive atmosphere was not OXIDIZING, but REDUCING, meaning "no oxygen." Cool story, bro.
Yeah, the geologists had this figured out long before anyone considered the implications for life. The banded iron formations show exactly what you're talking about. The rocks found from the early Earth are reduced, not oxidized. But what's interesting is that we see where anaerobic bacterial would grow, they produced mats of cells, which gave off oxygen, which eventually poisoned them, leading to a break in the formation, which later returned as the oxygen diffused out. We have a layer of oxidized rock followed by a layer of reduced rock, followed by a layer...

But this isn't an issue for evolution. Evolutionary theory observes that life began at some point , and describes how it changes over time. Darwin, in the last sentence of his book, suggested that God just created the first living things. BTW, all the molecules needed for life have now been found to have originated by non-living processes. Would you like to learn about that?

One way or another life began. Your argument assumes that life could not begin. Game, set, and match.
 
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We never find a half cow/half whale, or a half turtle/half something else.
You were misled about that, too...

The fossilized remains of a bizarre-looking reptile are giving scientists new insights into how turtles got their distinctive shells.

Some 240 million years ago, this early turtle-like creature lived in a large lake, in a fairly warm, subtropical climate. But it didn't have the kind of shell modern turtles have, says Hans-Dieter Sues, a curator at the Smithsonian's National Museum of Natural History in Washington, D.C.

Sues describes this primitive turtle, which the scientists named Pappochelys, as being about 8 inches long (20 cm), with slender legs, a long tail and neck, and then "a strange, boxy trunk region."

"It has the real beginnings of the belly shell developing," says Sues, "little rib-like structures beginning to fuse together into larger plates."

 
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We never find a half cow/half whale,

You're not gonna believe this but - We do have something that comes close.

It's called a hippopotamus. A hippo's lifestyle is a mix of a marine mammal and a land-based grazer. They even suckle underwater.

Hippos and whales share a common, land-based ancestor.

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It's called a hippopotamus. A hippo's lifestyle is a mix of a marine mammal and a land-based grazer. They even suckle underwater.
And genetically, they are the closest relatives of whales...
A study published in the latest issue of the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences shows that the whale and the hippo are each other's closest living relatives. The genetic analysis was conducted by Masato Nikaido and Norihiro Okada of the Tokyo Institute of Technology, and by Alejandro P. Rooney in the Institute of Molecular Evolutionary Genetics at Penn State.

Rooney says, "We knew from previous work that whales were closely related to even-toed hoofed mammals, but the studies had been inconclusive or unreliable regarding exactly where they fit in the family tree of this group of mammals." This new study, like previous ones, found that animals such as the hippo, camel, pig, giraffe, sheep, and cow do share many segments of DNA with whales, porpoises, and dolphins, indicating that at some point they all had a common ancestor. However, DNA segments found only in whales and hippos indicate that they have a common ancestor that is not part of the evolutionary history of the other animals. "Ours is the first study to provide reliable confirmation that hippos are the sister-group to whales," says Rooney. Whales and hippos share several adaptations to life in an aquatic environment, including oil-producing skin glands, the lack of hair, and the use of underwater vocalizations for communication.

 
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That's not a card you should be playing when you don't accept "the plain words of Scripture" either.

And yes, I'm fully willing and capable of backing that statement up. I merely need to ask you if you believe what Jesus said at the Last Supper when He said, "This is My body".
Most catholics missed the lesson on what the "body" and the "blood" represents. Jesus Himself said, "the flesh profiteth nothing" but the catholic church teaches the transubstantiation - which is claimed to be the literal body and blood of Jesus - is critical to salvation.

The wine and bread are symbols, nothing more. We eat and drink for Communion to remind us of what Christ did for us, so that when tempted to sin, if we're Christians at all, we'll fight against it tooth and nail.
You are, once again, only demonstrating that you don't understand the theory of evolution.

-CryptoLutheran
I know "made them male and female" refers to forming Adam of dust and Eve from a rib - you can believe the satanic lie of evolution if you want, but I don't recommend following something that the occult world says was part of a satanic deception to "destroy the Bible without burning it".

Why don't you subscribe to a theory which makes sense instead of one that relies on unproven, unobserved means?
 
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you can believe the satanic lie of evolution if you want,


I don't expect you to believe it but, if you are going throw out this sort of comment about evolution you should at least understand what you're talking about.

This might help (it's only 11 minutes long)

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I don't expect you to believe it but, if you are going throw out this sort of comment about evolution you should at least understand what you're talking about.

This might help (it's only 11 minutes long)

OB
Do you really think everyone doesn't know what evolution's about when it's served up for breakfast, lunch and dinner everyday for the past almost 100 years? It's in museums, grade schools, high schools, universities, EVEN CHRISTIAN gatherings like this one.

Let's let Creationism have a turn for once, and maybe you guys would cease from your delusions:

 
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I don't think he hated God.
Then why did you say he did?
Yeah, like that. It's very bad for your soul. Not that there haven't been Catholics that hateful; the Reformation had love of God on all sides, but hatred of men on all sides as well. We could argue that Luther's hatred for Jews made him the AntiChrist, but it would be a foolish and hateful thing, which would damage our walk with God.

Avoid that kind of thing.
So, you can't give reasons for why the papacy is not the Antichrist of prophecy...well, no one can, because it's very much the "Anti-Christos" of prophecy, ACCORDING TO THEIR OWN ADMISSION ON THEIR PART, not hatred on the part of Protestant Reformers.
Turns out, some phyla still have living members that show the stages of eye evolution. Let's consider mollusks...

iu


Try again?
Evolution relies on massive use of over-simplification: "Hey, look how easy it could have happened" turns out to be "Look how improbable it is that it happened":




Well, let's ask Answers in Genesis, a prominent creationist group:

As creationists, we must frequently remind detractors that we do not deny that species vary, change, and even appear over time...Before the time of Charles Darwin, a false idea had crept into the church—the belief in the “fixity” or “immutability” of species. According to this view, each species was created in precisely the same form that we find it today. The Bible nowhere teaches that species are fixed and unchanging.
Speciation
What, is this supposed to be some concession to evolution? He's talking about MICROevolution: variation within a species, which is not the same thing as MACROevolution: the myth that one species (kind) can turn into another.

Why do you deny the plain words of Scripture that creatures reproduce "after their kind"?
Let's ask a prominent creationist, Dr. Kurt Wise:
Evidences for Darwin’s second expectation — of stratomorphic intermediate species — include such species as Baragwanathia27 (between rhyniophytes and lycopods), Pikaia28 (between echinoderms and chordates), Purgatorius29 (between the tree shrews and the primates), and Proconsul30 (between the non-hominoid primates and the hominoids). Darwin’s third expectation — of higher-taxon stratomorphic intermediates — has been confirmed by such examples as the mammal-like reptile groups31 between the reptiles and the mammals, and the phenacodontids32 between the horses and their presumed ancestors

Darwin’s fourth expectation — of stratomorphic series — has been confirmed by such examples as the early bird series,33 the tetrapod series,34,35 the whale series,36 the various mammal series of the Cenozoic37 (for example, the horse series, the camel series, the elephant series, the pig
series, the titanothere series, etc.), the Cantius and Plesiadapus primate series,38 and the hominid series.39 Evidence for not just one but for all three of the species level and above types of stratomorphic intermediates expected by macroevolutionary theory is surely strong evidence for
macroevolutionary theory. Creationists therefore need to accept this fact.

Dr. Wise goes on...
At this point in time, the largest challenge from the stratomorphic intermediate record appears to this author to come from the fossil record of the whales. There is a strong stratigraphic series of archaeocete genera claimed by Gingerich60 (Ambulocetus, Rhodocetus, and Prozeuglodon
[or the similar-aged Basilosaurus]61) followed on the one hand by modern mysticetes,62 and on the other hand by the family Squalodontidae and then modern odontocetes.63 That same series is also a morphological series: Ambulocetus with the largest hind legs;64-66 Rhodocetus with hindlegs one- third smaller;67 Prozeuglodon with 6 inch hindlegs;68 and the remaining whales with virtually no to no hind legs: toothed mysticetes before non-toothed baleen whales;69 the squalodontid odontocetes with telescoped skull but triangular teeth;70 and the modern odontocetes with telescoped skulls and conical teeth. This series of fossils is thus a very powerful stratomorphic series.
It's no secret that only a fraction of what God created during Creation week lives today. Did you never hear of the Flood which wiped out the entire planet? While Darwin may have gotten a thing or two right, the scales of truth don't even begin to tip against Creationism.
Because you seem to know nothing at all about it. Here's your chance. What do you think biological evolution is? Either Darwin's definition or the definition after the rediscovery of genetics will be acceptable. What do you think it is?
A myth. There's no such thing. The incredible improbabilities required for such evolution to take place might as well render it impossible, and you may choose to believe the mathematical equivalent of a tornado going through a junkyard to assemble a Boeing 747 with a space shuttle on it's back AND a functioning satellite in the cargo bay ready to take off...but I'll never be that gullible.
That's the usual response. Not all creationists; some are quite knowledgeable. But most are like you, not knowing anything about it. But we'll look at your diversion, now...
Why should I bother with the intricacies of why 2X2=5? Like I said, the entire theory rests on a flawed foundation, and all the tortured interpretation of data, logic-leaping, and plain old stretching the imagination in the world can't change that.
Yeah, the geologists had this figured out long before anyone considered the implications for life. The banded iron formations show exactly what you're talking about. The rocks found from the early Earth are reduced, not oxidized. But what's interesting is that we see where anaerobic bacterial would grow, they produced mats of cells, which gave off oxygen, which eventually poisoned them, leading to a break in the formation, which later returned as the oxygen diffused out. We have a layer of oxidized rock followed by a layer of reduced rock, followed by a layer...

But this isn't an issue for evolution. Evolutionary theory observes that life began at some point , and describes how it changes over time. Darwin, in the last sentence of his book, suggested that God just created the first living things. BTW, all the molecules needed for life have now been found to have originated by non-living processes. Would you like to learn about that?

One way or another life began. Your argument assumes that life could not begin. Game, set, and match.
I KNEW IT'D BE A NON-ANSWER. And, what do you mean "theory observes"? There's nothing observable about it!

Look, you can't have it both ways. A Reducing atmosphere is not possible, because without oxygen, there's no ozone, and without ozone, cosmic rays produce an oxidizing atmosphere. It's a Catch-22. A "Reducing Layer" could only have been caused during the Flood much in the same way it allowed Fossils to form - by cutting off the oxygen from the atmosphere via massive turbidite flows, underwater eruptions, etc.
 
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You were misled about that, too...

The fossilized remains of a bizarre-looking reptile are giving scientists new insights into how turtles got their distinctive shells.

Some 240 million years ago, this early turtle-like creature lived in a large lake, in a fairly warm, subtropical climate. But it didn't have the kind of shell modern turtles have, says Hans-Dieter Sues, a curator at the Smithsonian's National Museum of Natural History in Washington, D.C.

Sues describes this primitive turtle, which the scientists named Pappochelys, as being about 8 inches long (20 cm), with slender legs, a long tail and neck, and then "a strange, boxy trunk region."

"It has the real beginnings of the belly shell developing," says Sues, "little rib-like structures beginning to fuse together into larger plates."

Have you any idea how many times the "missing link" between this or that is dug up, only to have it turn out to be anything but?

Do you have any idea how much pressure these evolutionary psuedoscientists are under to dig up something that will substantiate the theory before the grant money runs out?

"Lucy" was Johanssen's great find to end all finds - but there are now so many problems with the entire story that many scientists are now saying she was just a pygmy chimp. Boom - another one bites the dust, but the fanboys still won't give it up.

It's an endless round of digging up a variation within an existing kind and pigeonholing it as a "new" species.
 
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You're not gonna believe this but - We do have something that comes close.

It's called a hippopotamus. A hippo's lifestyle is a mix of a marine mammal and a land-based grazer. They even suckle underwater.

Hippos and whales share a common, land-based ancestor.

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Isn't God amazing that He loves variety so much that He made it? Now, where's the evidence for evolution? Certainly not in that link.

Look, let me tell you how it works: The textbook will admit to the problem: "The origin of cetaceans is a mystery and at this time there is no real explanation blah blah blah..."
Then, the same stupid textbook will publish a new edition, "Ceteceans have an ancient origin, first starting with....." and the entire thing relies on inference and guesswork.

But, who cares if Creationists aren't given a chance to dispute these claims, as long as the fan boys get their dose of "evidence", right?
 
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Have you any idea how many times the "missing link" between this or that is dug up, only to have it turn out to be anything but?
You got that a bit mixed up. It's "missing lynx." And they've found it:

Biological Journal of the Linnean Society, Volume 136, Issue 4, August 2022, Pages 536–551

The diversification of the lynx lineage during the Plio-Pleistocene—evidence from a new small Lynx from Longdan, Gansu Province, China

Do you have any idea how much pressure these evolutionary psuedoscientists are under to dig up something that will substantiate the theory before the grant money runs out?
As your fellow YE creationist, Dr. Kurt Wise admits, the huge number of transitional form and the large number of series of transitional forms are "very good evidence for macroevolutionary theory." We find important new fossils almost monthly.

Let's test you assumption. Name any two major groups, said to be evolutionarily connected, and I'll see if I can find a transitional for you. What would you like to see? You're on.

"Lucy" was Johanssen's great find to end all finds
Nope. That was just one of man. Here's a link to some of the more important ones:

About 195 of them. And those are just some of the important ones.

but there are now so many problems with the entire story that many scientists are now saying she was just a pygmy chimp.
You were really fooled by that story. Pygmy chimps lack the knees and hips to be bipedal as Lucy was. They don't have long legs and short arms as Lucy does. And they have much more robust jaws and teeth than she did.
 
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Now, where's the evidence for evolution? Certainly not in that link.
You missed that one, too. Not only are hippos structurally and behaviorally like early whales, genetically they are the closest relatives to whales. No point in denying the facts.
Look, let me tell you how it works: The textbook will admit to the problem: "The origin of cetaceans is a mystery and at this time there is no real explanation blah blah blah..."
Well, let's take a look at that assumption...

At this point in time, the largest challenge from the stratomorphic intermediate record appears to this author to come from the fossil record of the whales. There is a strong stratigraphic series of archaeocete genera claimed by Gingerich60 (Ambulocetus, Rhodocetus, and Prozeuglodon
[or the similar-aged Basilosaurus]61) followed on the one hand by modern mysticetes,62 and on the other hand by thefamily Squalodontidae and then modern odontocetes.63 That same series is also a morphological series: Ambulocetus with the largest hind legs;64-66 Rhodocetus with hindlegs one-third smaller;67 Prozeuglodon with 6 inch hindlegs;68 and the remaining whales with virtually no to no hind legs:
toothed mysticetes before non-toothed baleen whales;69 the squalodontid odontocetes with telescoped skull but triangular teeth;70 and the modern odontocetes with telescoped skulls and conical teeth. This series of fossils is thus a very powerful stratomorphic series.

Because the land mammal-to-whale transition (theorized by macroevolutionary theory and evidenced by the fossil record) is a land-to-sea transition, the relative order of land mammals, archaeocetes, and modern whales is not explainable in the conventional Flood geology
method (transgressing Flood waters). Furthermore, whale fossils are only known in Cenozoic (and thus post-Flood) sediments.71 This seems to run counter to the intuitive expectation that the whales should have been found in or even throughout Flood sediments.

At present creation theory has no good explanation for the fossil record of whales.
YE creationist Dr. Kurt Wise
But, who cares if Creationists aren't given a chance to dispute these claims, as long as the fan boys get their dose of "evidence", right?
Again, Dr. Wise disagrees with evolution, but he's honest enough to admit that the evidence supports evolution, and does not fit creationist ideology.

He trusts God enough to admit the truth. Wouldn't it be great if all people were like him?
 
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I don't think he hated God. He hated Christians of certain churches he didn't like.
Then why did you say he did?
Can't find any place here where I said he did. Link?
So, you can't give reasons for why the papacy is not the Antichrist of prophecy...well, no one can, because it's very much the "Anti-Christos" of prophecy, ACCORDING TO THEIR OWN ADMISSION ON THEIR PART, not hatred on the part of Protestant Reformers.
You can't get closer to God by hating His people. Try to find some way to deal with that, and you'll find some peace.

Evolution relies on massive use of over-simplification: "Hey, look how easy it could have happened" turns out to be "Look how improbable it is that it happened":
I suppose anything looks simple, if you don't know anything about it. As you see, the discovery of DNA gives us the same phylogenies as the fossil record does, to a very high precision.

What, is this supposed to be some concession to evolution? He's talking about MICROevolution: variation within a species
No. As you see, he admits that old species give rise to new ones. Which is macroevolution. AIG even admits the evolution of new genera and sometimes families.

Before the time of Charles Darwin, a false idea had crept into the church—the belief in the “fixity” or “immutability” of species. According to this view, each species was created in precisely the same form that we find it today. The Bible nowhere teaches that species are fixed and unchanging.

Because you seem to know nothing at all about it. Here's your chance. What do you think biological evolution is? Either Darwin's definition or the definition after the rediscovery of genetics will be acceptable. What do you think it is?


A myth. There's no such thing.
As I said, if you don't even know the scientific definition for biological evolution, is it any surprise that you have such difficulties here?

Look, you can't have it both ways. A Reducing atmosphere is not possible, because without oxygen, there's no ozone, and without ozone, cosmic rays produce an oxidizing atmosphere.
Reduced iron deposits in ancient rocks, and the banded iron formation clearly show a reducing atmosphere.

But it's a moot point. As you just learned, evolutionary theory only explains how living things change over time. It assumes life began somehow. Darwin assumed God just created the first living things.

A "Reducing Layer" could only have been caused during the Flood much in the same way it allowed Fossils to form - by cutting off the oxygen from the atmosphere via massive turbidite flows, underwater eruptions, etc.
Such things are observed underseas today. But we don't get a reducing atmosphere. Imagination is no substitute for facts.
 
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Do you really think everyone doesn't know what evolution's about when it's served up for breakfast, lunch and dinner everyday for the past almost 100 years?
You, for example, were unable to tell me what it is, or even the scientific definition of it.
 
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Easiest way to understand evolution...
1) The body is built by proteins, which are built from DNA.
2) DNA mutates, a child's DNA will differ ever so slightly from the parents.
3) Some organisms within a population reproduce more than others due to attractiveness.
That's all there is to it.
 
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Most catholics missed the lesson on what the "body" and the "blood" represents. Jesus Himself said, "the flesh profiteth nothing" but the catholic church teaches the transubstantiation - which is claimed to be the literal body and blood of Jesus - is critical to salvation.

So Jesus' flesh "profits nothing"?

The wine and bread are symbols, nothing more. We eat and drink for Communion to remind us of what Christ did for us, so that when tempted to sin, if we're Christians at all, we'll fight against it tooth and nail
I know "made them male and female" refers to forming Adam of dust and Eve from a rib - you can believe the satanic lie of evolution if you want, but I don't recommend following something that the occult world says was part of a satanic deception to "destroy the Bible without burning it".

Why don't you subscribe to a theory which makes sense instead of one that relies on unproven, unobserved means?

I believe that God is truthful in both His word and in His creation.

-CryptoLutheran
 
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