Satanic Cults just a Myth or Real?

[Isis-Astoroth]

That makes me mad when I see pentagrams symbolizing devil-worship.
They are a Pagan/Wiccan symbol for harmony and peace. Also a symbol for feminism and the god Venus. Where did the Devil come out of that?!?!

It was a Christian symbol before Haleigh.... and Pagan means any person who doesn't follow Christianity, so your description is not very good.

 

[Suzannah]

If I had a nickel for everytime someone used the word "fact" to apply to an opinion...

I think you are referring to Crowley. Gardner and Crowley were contemporaries and both were forming their religious concepts at about the same time. There is evidence that they may have corresponded, but that doesn't mean they had the same, or even similar beliefs. The commonality they had was the condemnation of mainstream religions, which can make for the strangest of bedfellows.

No actually, I didn't want to go into detail on Crowley and left him out of it. I thought it was superflouous to answering the OP and probably more detail than was wanted.

Wicca was already well established by the time LaVey came along, and he has had little or no influence beyond semonstrating that the power of the reigning religion can be broken. LaVeyan Religious concepts are so different from Wiccan concepts that there is little chance he could have had an influence.

Perhaps the situation was different in the UK at the time than in other places. I was simply giving my recollections of the situation at the time. And in the UK, prior to the 80's, there was some interaction between Wiccans and those who followed LaVey....I think it was primarily just one of "hanging tough together" against what they considered to be the establishment.

A lot of people confuse Crowley and LaVey. It's a common mistake. What I find interesting is that Christians will believe anyone who claims to have been a former Witch over someone who actually is, even if the "former Witch" displays a complete lack of knowledge of the subject they were supposedly expert in. We call it the "Warnke" syndrome.

I really hope you are not referring to me. It took me awhile to figure who this Warnke person is. I see your point, but it rather hurts my feelings to know that you think I am a liar. I find it interesting that UK Wiccans of my acquaintance and friendship (I'm still friends with several in spite of my return to Christianity) could care less about Christians...they simply view themselves as "non" Christians and don't worry too much about explaining themselves as Americans seem wont to do. Nevertheless, I do hope we can be friendly Havoc.

 

[Libby1]

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[size=+4][font=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]"Stupidity , or the lack thereof, has nothing to do with satanism as a movement, or as a belief system...." [/font][/size]​

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[font=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]1. Stupidity—The top of the list for Satanic Sins. The Cardinal Sin of Satanism. It’s too bad that stupidity isn’t painful. Ignorance is one thing, but our society thrives increasingly on stupidity. It depends on people going along with whatever they are told. The media promotes a cultivated stupidity as a posture that is not only acceptable but laudable. Satanists must learn to see through the tricks and cannot afford to be stupid. ..."[/font]


Libby1
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[Suzannah]

Well, Libby I think you're taking my point a bit too literally. I only meant that Satanists are not necessarily "stupid" and that being "stupid" is not a requirement to being deceived. Witness the many well educated among that movement, not to mention the LDS or other cultish groups.

 

[Rae]

Erm...there are at best a few thousand practicing Satanists in the United States. It isn't much of a "movement."

 

[Suzannah]

Erm...there are at best a few thousand practicing Satanists in the United States. It isn't much of a "movement."

Really? It's quite "the thing" in many parts of Europe.

 

[Libby1]

Sorry Suzannah. I probably did. After my recent experience on a satanic forum (LaVey) this forum is extremely refreshing.


Libby1

 

[Rae]

Got any numbers to back it up? From the researches of Arthur Lyons as well as simple common sense, in such a Christianized society as the U.S., very few people would be practicing Satanists. Why would anyone want to be a Satanist in Europe? I find it easier to believe (just from what I know and the people I've met) that atheism or indifference to religion is endemic, not Satanism in either its religious or its atheistic form.

 

[Libby1]

LeVay Satanism certainly comes across as parralel to that of Hitler in some of it's thinking. LeVay abhorred Christianity to the point he would totally eradicate it and anything else that stands in it's way. In fact they really don't appear to think too much of anyone else.

QUOTE
"...10. some other groups to watch out for:
A) Feminist, Wiccan-oriented, consciousness-raising groups who practice more male-bashing than magic;

B) New Age groups that promote LaVeyan concepts, but shun the dreaded "S" word;

C) Jargon-laden Christians masquerading as Satanists;

D) Pen-pal or lonely hearts social groups pretending to be elitists performing powerful Satanic rituals.

All of the above are subject to *****-fights, petty jealousies, and rivalries. They are safe havens for small-minded people trying to play head games,..."

Libby1

 

[Libby1]

Here is quote from a 'Magister' of the 'alien elite' as they call themselves.

"...I pity the genuinely emotionally or psychologically or maturationally disabled of any species; but to be painfully frank, I seriously doubt whether Satanism is the appropriate home for any of them. Membership in the Alien Elite is not a simple matter of claiming a dream of apotheosis and having a compulsion to implement it. Such membership also mandates -- at least in my experience as a practitioner of Greater Black Magic as I understand it -- that one be able to do so under one's own steam, without chemical fuel packets and booster rockets. In other words, abhorrent as it may be to PC egalitarianism, "You can't always be what you want..."

We are each and everyone born with 'giftings' both visible and invisible to the human eye.

Libby1

 

[Libby1]

Here is yet another quote from another group

"Order of Non-theistic Satanists
"...Another misconception, is that we hate all other religious sects. Satanism teaches us to be respectful of others beliefs. If we hated all others for their religious beliefs, we would not be Satanists, we would be Christians. We do not go around harassing others, or threaten them with eternal damnation, as certain groups of god fearing individuals do. We believe that everyone has a right to believe what they wish to believe, or what they feel is right. We may not agree with what you stand for, and we may hate the religion, but to hate another for what they believe in is simply put, foolish..."


Tolerance? hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Libby1

 

[Libby1]

Here is a quote from a LaVeyan satanist:

"... personally think that an inferior human is obviously of higher intellegence than a horse due to their human brain's basic functioning. Within the human species however they are an equivalent to the one frog in the group who hops around in circles until he dries up.

We as Satanists are much higher ranking in our species...."

The final statement in the above quote is in itself perturbing. Again, parallel to the thinking of Hitler.

Libby1

 

[MQTA]

Here is a quote from a LaVeyan satanist:

"... personally think that an inferior human is obviously of higher intellegence than a horse due to their human brain's basic functioning. Within the human species however they are an equivalent to the one frog in the group who hops around in circles until he dries up.

We as Satanists are much higher ranking in our species...."

The final statement in the above quote is in itself perturbing. Again, parallel to the thinking of Hitler.

Libby1

Replace the Satanists with any denomination and you'll find people of that denomination who think That way. Hitler's thinking was not satanic... what was his denomination?

 

[Libby1]

Key phrase being....
Quote "...We as Satanists are much higher ranking in our species...."

Libby1

 

[Isis-Astoroth]

I must point out to everyone in this thread that you have only concentrated on the non-theistic Satanists and that LaVey and those of the Church of Satan are entitled to believe what they wish, without being judged by those who do not agree.

 

[Iollain]

LaVey Satanism
Magus Anton Szandor LaVey was born in Chicago in 1930 (1930-1997). He was the founder of a 'new religion' in 1966, on the night of May Eve—the traditional Witches’ Sabbath —LaVey declared the founding of the Church of Satan thus creating..."... a new revolution designed to smash the hypocrisy and unreason which has reigned for the past 2000 years.

Libby1

Hmmm....I wonder what he was talking about...the hypocrisy and unreason which has reigned for the past 2000 years?.....must be Christianity? I have read his book and i agreed with quite a bit of what he said, when i was a teen. I was going through a stage where i was mad at God for letting the world go on as it is, people dying from no food, wars, etc. Then i started to realize when God started working in my life again that it was not God's fault, it is mans fault, there is plenty of food in this earth to feed everyone, if everyone followed God there would not be any wars, humanity is sinful and we suffer for it. I started to realize that Lavey was truly possesed, everything in the book is against Christianity, imo it is a book of hate and paranoia. And what is he doing calling on all the names for satan if he does not believe in satan? why is he telling people to do rituals in its name if he does not believe in satan? why pray to satan if he is not there? This book was burnt by me. And no i have not burned any other books.

 

[Isis-Astoroth]

Iollain, I burnt the christian bible not long ago, and there may be people here who think what i did is some kind of monostrocity, but i felt the same about the christian bible as you seem to have done with the satanic bible.
I personally don't like LaVey because he turned everyone to believe Satanists don't believe in Satan, which annoys me because it has brought around more ignorance.

 

[Iollain]

Iollain, I burnt the christian bible not long ago, and there may be people here who think what i did is some kind of monostrocity, but i felt the same about the christian bible as you seem to have done with the satanic bible.
I personally don't like LaVey because he turned everyone to believe Satanists don't believe in Satan, which annoys me because it has brought around more ignorance.

Well Isis , that is your choice what you want to burn. I used to think similar thoughts about the bible. That was before God showed me who He is. I, at the time, did not want to burn the Lavey bible, i was actually scared to do this for some reason. I wanted to throw it out, but i believe God wanted me to burn it, so i did.

 

[Libby1]

Quote from Isis "...Iollain, I burnt the christian bible not long ago, and there may be people here who think what i did is some kind of monostrocity,..."

That is not for us to comment on Isis.

I agree with point re LaVey satanism.

Libby1

 

[Libby1]

The Magister on the LaVeyan forum I attended supposedly uses Black Magick. My question is how can they deny the very existence of SNAT but still practice Black Magick AND believe in demons. This is what makes it difficult for me to believe that they DON'T (those in higher levels) believe in SNAT.


Libby1