Satan is defeated or not?

[sdowney717]

The serpent's defeat for now is only regarding hell as the destiny of all people which was true before Christ came and told the people that those who believe in Him would have eternal life, they have passed from death into life.

John 5
24 “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.

Hebrews 2:14
Inasmuch then as the children have partaken of flesh and blood, He Himself likewise shared in the same, that through death He might destroy him who had the power of death, that is, the devil,

Hebrews 2:15
and release those who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.

Yet we read and this after Christ's resurrection and ascension this
1 Peter 5:8
Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour.

So him who had the the power of death, Satan has lost this power but not yet his ability to deceive and devour as a roaring lion.
But Satan's power over death for God's people has been forever and permanently broken. Christ now has the keys of HELL and of DEATH.

Revelation 1:18New King James Version (NKJV)
18 I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of Death.

 

[ViaCrucis]

The Bible says in the letter of Colossians 2:15 that satan is defeated. But how is he still capable attacking the church, since he is defeated?

In this video it looks like satan is still very active even tho' he is defeated... How can that be?

A chained dog can still bite.

Also, though the devil is defeated, his rage is still furious because he has only a short time.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[CrystalDragon]

We can know that the serpent was Satan from verses such as this.
This phrase 'Serpent of old' ties him to the earliest time as the same serpent at the creation in the garden.

Revelation 20:2
He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years;

Revelation 12:9
So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

2 Corinthians 11:3
But I fear, lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

Keep in mind that all those points are from the New Testament, which was written a good deal after the Old (and Revelation written later than the rest of the New Testament). It only accentuates my earlier point that the view of Satan and God changed between the two testaments. In the Old Testament itself, the serpent was only seen as a crafty serpent.

 

[delaD3]

Doesn't anyone else find it odd that Satan wasn't directly seen as a deceived and tempter of ultimate evil (I mean where it was EXPLICITLY described as him) until the New Testament?

It said that God sent lying spirits and deception, not Satan.

"Lucifer/Morning Star" doesn't even refer to Satan, it refers to a Babylonian king if you actually read Isaiah 14 in complete context and not just cherry-pick verses 12-15. Morning Star just was used for someone in a position of great power—the king of Babylon, the Pharaoh, Jesus, all of whom were described with that term.

Satan in Job was like a prosecuting attorney, and only did what God allowed him to do.

The serpent in the garden was just described as being a crafty serpent, that's it. If it was Satan disguised as the snake, how is "upon your belly you shall crawl" a punishment that would make any sense if Satan could just shapeshift? It only makes sense of the serpent was just as Genesis describes—the craftiest of all the beasts of the field the Lord God had made (which probably had legs).

It's only really in the New Testament where we begin to see this divide of all the good traits being from God, and evil coming from Satan, a change from how before God was responsible for everything.

"Lucifer/Morning Star" ..... This is not accurate....

Isaiah 14:12
"How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!"

he is the 'son of the morning' and not the morning Star.

Revelation 22:16
"I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star." ---- Jesus is the bright and morning star...


lucifer is the son of the morning....


compare the verse 14:12 of Isaiah in different translations of The Holy Bible.


Isaiah 14:12 http://biblehub.com/isaiah/14-12.htm
New International Version
How you have fallen from heaven, morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!

New Living Translation
"How you are fallen from heaven, O shining star, son of the morning! You have been thrown down to the earth, you who destroyed the nations of the world.

English Standard Version
“How you are fallen from heaven, O Day Star, son of Dawn! How you are cut down to the ground, you who laid the nations low!

New American Standard Bible
"How you have fallen from heaven, O star of the morning, son of the dawn! You have been cut down to the earth, You who have weakened the nations!

King James Bible
How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

Holman Christian Standard Bible
Shining morning star, how you have fallen from the heavens! You destroyer of nations, you have been cut down to the ground.

International Standard Version
"How you have fallen from heaven, Day Star, son of the Dawn! How you have been thrown down to earth, you who laid low the nation!

NET Bible
Look how you have fallen from the sky, O shining one, son of the dawn! You have been cut down to the ground, O conqueror of the nations!

New Heart English Bible
How you have fallen from heaven, morning star, son of the dawn. How you are cut down to the ground, who laid the nations low.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
How you have fallen from heaven, you morning star, son of the dawn! How you have been cut down to the ground, you conqueror of nations!

JPS Tanakh 1917
How art thou fallen from heaven, O day-star, son of the morning! How art thou cut down to the ground, That didst cast lots over the nations!

New American Standard 1977
“How you have fallen from heaven,
O star of the morning, son of the dawn!
You have been cut down to

 

[delaD3]

How Adv
5307 [e] nā-p̄al-tā נָפַ֥לְתָּ are you fallen Verb
8064 [e] miš-šā-ma-yim מִשָּׁמַ֖יִם from heaven Noun
1966 [e] hê-lêl הֵילֵ֣ל O Lucifer Noun
1121 [e] ben- בֶּן־ son Noun
7837 [e] šā-ḥar; שָׁ֑חַר of the morning Noun
1438 [e] niḡ-da‘-tā נִגְדַּ֣עְתָּ [how] are you cut down Verb
776 [e] lā-’ā-reṣ, לָאָ֔רֶץ to the earth Noun
2522 [e] ḥō-w-lêš חוֹלֵ֖שׁ that did weaken Verb
5921 [e] ‘al- עַל־ on Prep
1471 [e] gō-w-yim. גּוֹיִֽם׃ the nations Noun


This is how it is read in the Hebrew Text ... http://biblehub.com/text/isaiah/14-12.htm

Lucifer, or helel, is the 'son of' (ben) of the morning (sahar)

ben sahar meaning ... the 'son of' - 'morning'

ben David means ... The son of David.

How to say 'son' in Hebrew audio.
http://www.dictionary.co.il/hebrew_word.php?topic=h2601&image=h26/h2601025&name=Son

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_(Hebrew) Ben (Hebrew)

 

[delaD3]

So.. lucifer is NOT the morning Star but rather the son of the morning.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

This happens every day , all over the world today.

2 Corinthians 11:3
But I fear, lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

 

[delaD3]

In Isaiah 14:12, the word to denote 'son' is included in Scripture. In Revelation 22:16, there is no word, neither Greek nor Hebrew that denotes 'son'.

 

[delaD3]

1473 [e] Egō Ἐγὼ I, PPro-N1S
2424 [e] Iēsous Ἰησοῦς Jesus, N-NMS
3992 [e] epempsa ἔπεμψα have sent V-AIA-1S
3588 [e] ton τὸν the Art-AMS
32 [e] angelon ἄγγελόν angel N-AMS
1473 [e] mou μου of me, PPro-G1S
3140 [e] martyrēsai μαρτυρῆσαι to testify V-ANA
4771 [e] hymin ὑμῖν to you PPro-D2P
3778 [e] tauta ταῦτα these things DPro-ANP
1909 [e] epi ἐπὶ in Prep
3588 [e] tais ταῖς the Art-DFP
1577 [e] ekklēsiais ἐκκλησίαις. churches. N-DFP
1473 [e] egō ἐγώ I PPro-N1S
1510 [e] eimi εἰμι am V-PIA-1S
3588 [e] hē ἡ the Art-NFS
4491 [e] rhiza ῥίζα root N-NFS
2532 [e] kai καὶ and Conj
3588 [e] to τὸ the Art-NNS
1085 [e] genos γένος offspring N-NNS
1138 [e] Dauid Δαυίδ*, of David, N-GMS
3588 [e] ho ὁ the, this, that, one, he, she, it Art-NMS

792 [e] astēr ἀστὴρ star N-NMS

3588 [e] ho ὁ the, this, that, one, he, she, it Art-NMS

2986 [e] lampros λαμπρός, bright Adj-NMS

3588 [e] ho ὁ - the, this, that, one, he, she, it Art-NMS

4407 [e] prōinos πρωϊνός. morning. Adj-NMS


The; Bright; Star; Morning ..... is a possesive Singular which came from and ties in with 'Ego Eimi' which Christ declared earlier on in His Statement.

basically Christ has said, " I AM The Bright Morning Star." He didn't leave room for others to claim what He IS.

Certain individuals, people, or groups can lie and say that 'they' are the bright morning Star, but that would be a lie since Christ Jesus is The Bright Morning Star.

So: Lucifer is NOT the Morning Star. But rather the son ('ben' in Hebrew) of the Morning.

And look at it this way..... To ascribe to someone another person's title and duties which he/she will not be able to hold up to is to show disrepect to both parties. Neither can I be Christ Jesus nor can Christ Jesus be me. To ascribe me as Christ Jesus is wrong to me since I will only be hurting myself when I am unable to fulfil the duties of such, and to ascribe me as Christ Jesus is undermining Christ Jesus' Authority and Person. So every from of 'false' ascription(s) is only going to 'hurt' the ones involved.

So every one of these false ascriptions:
New International Version
How you have fallen from heaven, morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!

New Living Translation
"How you are fallen from heaven, O shining star, son of the morning! You have been thrown down to the earth, you who destroyed the nations of the world.

English Standard Version
“How you are fallen from heaven, O Day Star, son of Dawn! How you are cut down to the ground, you who laid the nations low!

and so forth has only 'hurt' those involved...

1085. genos - race, kind, nation, offspring. http://biblehub.com/strongs/greek/1085.htm

 

[2Timothy2:15]

The Bible says in the letter of Colossians 2:15 that satan is defeated. But how is he still capable attacking the church, since he is defeated?

In this video it looks like satan is still very active even tho' he is defeated... How can that be?

I am sorry what is the point of that video other than pandering for video views and youtube subs? There was no teaching and all the videos on the channel are less than 3 minutes.

 

[ScottA]

The Bible says in the letter of Colossians 2:15 that satan is defeated. But how is he still capable attacking the church, since he is defeated?

In this video it looks like satan is still very active even tho' he is defeated... How can that be?

This is a biblical confirmation of the [scientific] truth that "time is an illusion" (Einstein).

If we look only to the worldly timetable, then what is said of us being crucified and raised up with Christ in past tense, is a lie from God. Thus, the past tense understanding is true...and yet most live by the world, and do not understand what was clearly stated. But by God's timetable, which is no time at all, all things did occur (past tense) that very hour of Christ - yet, "in Him" we fill the halls of all time. How is this possible? As the apostle Paul spoke concerning our departure, the same is true of our arrival: "each in his own order", i.e., each in his own time.

 

[miknik5]

What's that supposed to mean? I'm a bit confused by your wording there.

It means GOD was taken out of the way temporarily while Job went through this season of suffering

All of GOD's WORD is to serve us. Job's temporary suffering g was in service to us

GOD removing HIS HEDGE (of protection) is no different than what will happen when "HE who holds all things back is taken out of the way" when HE hides HIS FACE (temporarily) from Jacob's struggles

The problem is that during this time those who do not understand will curse/blame attribute in error to GOD what should not be attributed to GOD

 

[miknik5]

Good grief, folks. A question is asked in the OP and we go on and on and on debating the answer! How can anyone, especially someone new to CF, hope to learn anything, or even come close to the answer?

PUL-EEEZE!!! Give these forums a break! If none have an answer provided Biblically (via the interpretation and application of the Holy Spirit) find something else to do!

Now is judgement upon the world
Now is the prince of this world cast out

The issue is that CHRIST came into the world.

And there is division

There are those who believe in the truth of THE GOSPEL
who have already been gathered up and out of the world into CHRIST JESUS

And then there are those who are still outside THE DOOR and have not fled to ("the city of") REFUGE

 

[John Hyperspace]

Doesn't anyone else find it odd that Satan wasn't directly seen as a deceived and tempter of ultimate evil (I mean where it was EXPLICITLY described as him) until the New Testament?

It said that God sent lying spirits and deception, not Satan.

As I'm lead to understand, we're not actually talking about one thing with the word "satan"; it is used to describe anyone/anything of an "adversarial" nature. If your neighbor is trying to get you evicted, then your neighbor is "satan", your "adversary"; if you want to stop overeating, then the desire to overeat is "satan" to you. If a country is being attacked by another, those rivals are both "satan" to one another.

In the Old Testament the word is used alot without being transliterated as "satan": for instance, the Lord stirs up "satans" against David during his reign (rival kings) and when it is said "Satan provoked David to number Israel" it is meaning, that "growing adversity toward his kingdom" is what caused David to want to take census of his armed forces to prepare for war (David didn't trust in the Lord; but in his own armies, hence the sin)

Even the angel of the Lord is called "satan" at Numbers 22:22 "an adversary". At 1 Kings 5:4 we see David saying "there is no satan" against him since the Lord gave him peace. 1 Kings 11:14 Hadad is Satan to Solomon.

The same is true in the New Testament, as we see Jesus calling Peter, Satan: Matthew 16:23; this is just meaning, a person/thing that is acting in an adversarial way to something else; something becoming an obstacle. People like to imagine this one being as responsible for everything bad, but I believe this is a misconception: what we are really meaning is "adversity" that can come through many things; and is also always sent by God for the purpose of correction. Mostly, it comes through the carnal mind, and how that mind and thought and understanding "wars against the spirit": Galatians 5:17, Romans 7:23, Romans 8:7

The same is true of "devil" which means "falsely accuse" or "slander", and is many things and people: Titus 2:3, 2 Timothy 3:3 these "slanderers" and "false accusers" are "diabolos/devils"; and here we have the same idea of, something of the mind of the flesh: so James writes: James 3:15

 

[John Hyperspace]

Almost forgot the actual thread topic. I'd agree with the other posts up there; this is a victory which is not fully manifested. This idea of "subduing" in an ordered fashion; as in 1 Corinthians 15:22-23, 1 Corinthians 15:25-26, 1 Corinthians 15:28, Philippians 3:21, Romans 16:20

By way of analogy it's like Christ won the day in court, got us all off the hook, and gave the keys to the prison house to His co-workers who are now busy going through and opening all the cells in an orderly fashion: Isaiah 42:7, which culminates into something like this: Acts 16:26

 

[miknik5]

As I'm lead to understand, we're not actually talking about one thing with the word "satan"; it is used to describe anyone/anything of an "adversarial" nature. If your neighbor is trying to get you evicted, then your neighbor is "satan", your "adversary"; if you want to stop overeating, then the desire to overeat is "satan" to you. If a country is being attacked by another, those rivals are both "satan" to one another.

In the Old Testament the word is used alot without being transliterated as "satan": for instance, the Lord stirs up "satans" against David during his reign (rival kings) and when it is said "Satan provoked David to number Israel" it is meaning, that "growing adversity toward his kingdom" is what caused David to want to take census of his armed forces to prepare for war (David didn't trust in the Lord; but in his own armies, hence the sin)

Even the angel of the Lord is called "satan" at Numbers 22:22 "an adversary". At 1 Kings 5:4 we see David saying "there is no satan" against him since the Lord gave him peace. 1 Kings 11:14 Hadad is Satan to Solomon.

The same is true in the New Testament, as we see Jesus calling Peter, Satan: Matthew 16:23; this is just meaning, a person/thing that is acting in an adversarial way to something else; something becoming an obstacle. People like to imagine this one being as responsible for everything bad, but I believe this is a misconception: what we are really meaning is "adversity" that can come through many things; and is also always sent by God for the purpose of correction. Mostly, it comes through the carnal mind, and how that mind and thought and understanding "wars against the spirit": Galatians 5:17, Romans 7:23, Romans 8:7

The same is true of "devil" which means "falsely accuse" or "slander", and is many things and people: Titus 2:3, 2 Timothy 3:3 these "slanderers" and "false accusers" are "diabolos/devils"; and here we have the same idea of, something of the mind of the flesh: so James writes: James 3:15

How do you interpret the three unclean spirits looking like frogs coming out of the mouths of the false prophet the beast and the dragon

 

[miknik5]

Do you deny that there are unclean spirits and that Satan will manifest himself in piecemeal because he can't fully manifest himself in one: false prophet who will offer pleasing words that will appeal to worldly man than the false Christ who will oooh and ahhh mamy with false signs and wonders so that man will cling to a different type of "savior" who will offer a different type of "healing"

But it won't be eternal

Satan is a great imitator and a mockery to all the true things of GOD

 

[miknik5]

are you trying to suggest satan is not in the world

Are you trying to suggest things and people are "satans" when what is really true is that there indeed is a spiritual battle and a spiritual realm causung confusion and deception to those who are deceived into believing that Satan is a made up fictitious being

 

[miknik5]

Please read john 17

 

[John Hyperspace]

How do you interpret the three unclean spirits looking like frogs coming out of the mouths of the false prophet the beast and the dragon

Basically, false understanding of biblical prophecy being taught by worldly prophets in worldly churches who speak by the spirit of the world (1 Corinthians 2:12: which is the "mark of the beast" in the forehead of the worldly-minded, as opposed to the "seal of God" in the forehead of the spiritually-minded); which causes the nations to go into a panic toward (Joel 2:1, Luke 21:10, Zephaniah 3:8) one another each misunderstanding the intents of the others through the false accusations of the false prophets (spirits of devils) against the nations; causing the nations to be drunk (Jeremiah 25:26-28) with mistrust of one another (Jeremiah 51:7) until they reach a breaking point and go to war against each other based on slander and false accusations taught by worldly spirited prophets emerging from the system of the world: operating by the wisdom that does not descend from above, but is of the world (James 3:15) causing strife and division: 1 Corinthians 3:3.

The defeat of Satan means, the defeat of national adversity through peace: no more adversity among the nations: Satan is figuratively locked away (Revelation 20:2) and there is the age of peace to come; in which, as David said through the Spirit "There is no Satan": 1 Kings 5:4, Psalms 37:11, Jeremiah 33:6, Psalms 72:11, Micah 4:3.