Sans Scripture, Evolution?

[AV1611VET]

But the bible we have today comes from these, and other, texts. These are the oldest copies - no other exists.

The Bible we have today came from the AV330 Gothic Version, the version that was favored over the Sianiticus by the common people.

While Spirit-filled men were translating Its prececessor into the Gothic (Byzantine) language, the world was translating the Sinaiticus from Origen's Hexapla into the Codex Sianiticus.

 

[Tomk80]

No, it's obvious to me that you have the problem that when it comes to contradictions between reality and the Bible, I put my faith in...

... my own arrogance?

... my own ideas that I worship?

... insanity?

No idea which one of the above you meant here AV. Can you tell me which?

 

[Tomk80]

So you're happy to leave the defining version of the Bible up to popular vote, and yet you tell off scientists for updating their theories. Is this some "unwritten principle" that I'm not getting?

No, he leaves the version of the bible he takes as defining to the popular vote, until the moment that popular vote takes a different version than him. Than he needs to set a different arbitrary benchmark.

 

[AV1611VET]

So you're happy to leave the defining version of the Bible up to popular vote, and yet you tell off scientists for updating their theories. Is this some "unwritten principle" that I'm not getting?

You update the Periodic Table, for example, by adding to it --- the Bible is updated by redaction, with no additions to It.

 

[Psudopod]

You update the Periodic Table, for example, by adding to it --- the Bible is updated by redaction, with no additions to It

That's because we didn't know about all the elements at the time. Although Mendeleev did a good job a predicting them. Anyway, why is it a problem that the periodic table was incomplete?

 

[Nathan Poe]

The Bible we have today came from the AV330 Gothic Version, the version that was favored over the Sianiticus by the common people.

While Spirit-filled men were translating Its prececessor into the Gothic (Byzantine) language, the world was translating the Sinaiticus from Origen's Hexapla into the Codex Sianiticus.

Vox populi, Vox Dei.

 

[AV1611VET]

That's because we didn't know about all the elements at the time. Although Mendeleev did a good job a predicting them. Anyway, why is it a problem that the periodic table was incomplete?

My Bible is complete, though; the fact that scientists contend that nothing is complete causes problems with them, as they try and apply that to the Bible, and think that the Bible should be updated as well. Only it doesn't work that way.

 

[AV1611VET]

Vox populi, Vox Dei.

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For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.

 

[Nathan Poe]

My Bible is complete, though;

As is most fiction.

the fact that scientists contend that nothing is complete causes problems with them, as they try and apply that to the Bible, and think that the Bible should be updated as well. Only it doesn't work that way.

No, literature should be updated by writers, not scientists.

Or are you just babbling now?

 

[Tiberius]

Oh, AV...?

In what year did the common people have access to the Bible, instead of what was just read to them at church?

 

[AV1611VET]

Oh, AV...?

In what year did the common people have access to the Bible, instead of what was just read to them at church?

If you mean the completed Scriptures, since around 100 AD.

Revelation, for example, was written to the seven churches in Asia, and they, of course, would have copied and dispersed it throughout.

 

[Nathan Poe]

If you mean the completed Scriptures, since around 100 AD.

Revelation, for example, was written to the seven churches in Asia, and they, of course, would have copied and dispersed it throughout.

You missed the part about "common people" -- unless there was a wave of literacy among the hoi polloi you're keeping under your hat.

 

[AV1611VET]

You missed the part about "common people" -- unless there was a wave of literacy among the hoi polloi you're keeping under your hat.

I guess I don't understand what you're asking. Even an Ethiopian eunuch had a copy of the Scriptures (see Acts 8).

 

[Nathan Poe]

I guess I don't understand what you're asking. Even an Ethiopian eunuch had a copy of the Scriptures (see Acts 8).

Thus inventing toilet paper. Your point?

 

[ChordatesLegacy]

There are two major documents we are taught to stay away from --- Codex Sinaiticus and Codex Vaticanus for two good reasons:

1. These are considered the oldest. Why? Because the common people never used them. Thus they were preserved by disuse.*
2. Codex Sinaiticus was found in a trash can, and Codex Vaticanus was found locked in the Vatican, well out of reach of the common people.

* Whenever you see a footnote say "oldest manuscript says...", or "better manuscript says...", never rely on it - ever. The common people rejected these manuscripts and refused to use them.

Well that says it all, in the words of AV the oldest copies of the bible are not worth a crap.

So its back to scriptes written by scribes thousands of years after the original. I rest my case, creationists and generally Christians put their faith in the hands of human scribes.

 

[Tomk80]

I guess I don't understand what you're asking. Even an Ethiopian eunuch had a copy of the Scriptures (see Acts 8).

A eunuch would most likely have been able to read.

Subtle enough as a hint on what he meant with "common people"? Or do I have to start bolding words for it to get through to you.

 

[AV1611VET]

A eunuch would most likely have been able to read.

Subtle enough as a hint on what he meant with "common people"? Or do I have to start bolding words for it to get through to you.

Huh? I'm truly lost here; unless he's implying the common people didn't know how to read. (Please say I'm wrong.)

 

[Tomk80]

Huh? I'm truly lost here; unless he's implying the common people didn't know how to read. (Please say I'm wrong.)

The common people did not know how to read. Reading was something only few people could do in those days.

But I'm guessing this is one of those many pesky facts that you like to ignore.

 

[Nathan Poe]

The common people did not know how to read. Reading was something only few people could do in those days.

We're talking AD 100 here -- literacy was, until recently in human history, a privilige for an elite few.

But history can take a hike.

But I'm guessing this is one of those many pesky facts that you like to ignore.

Facts can take a hike.

 

[AV1611VET]

We're talking AD 100 here -- literacy was, until recently in human history, a privilige for an elite few.

http://www.restorationfoundation.org/volume_3/32_6.htm