sanctification.. process or one time event.

[ConqueredbyLove]

Actually that article really isn't too far off the mark. I married into a Pentacostal Fundemental family. And Oh Yeah, it's the Sinner's prayer and that's it.

Seriously they don't considered people saved and only considered people saved unless that have taken the Alter Call or Sinner's prayer.


But you also have to remember that this isn't talkng about not having assurance in God and the Gospels but it agains the whole "I've said the prayer and now I can go live life how I want, because I am saved".

That what the article is about.
God is assurance but man is not.

I, seriously, have known no Christians within my circle except one that believes this and she is WOF.

Just because we believe in the finished work of Christ, does in no way cause us to go and "live life how I want, because I am saved".

On the contrary, believing in the finished work of Christ just melts ones heart more for one's Saviour and has the result of making one want to please God all the more....

In all due respect, I don't think you understand what we are trying to say....

 

[boswd]

I, seriously, have known no Christians within my circle except one that believes this and she is WOF.

Just because we believe in the finished work of Christ, does in no way cause us to go and "live life how I want, because I am saved".

On the contrary, believing in the finished work of Christ just melts ones heart more for one's Saviour and has the result of making one want to please God all the more....

In all due respect, I don't think you understand what we are trying to say....

I'm not sure what you are trying to say. Christ's finished work on the Cross does not make us perfect here on Earth but the hopes of being perfect with him in the Kingdom.

Christ's finished work on the Cross is not a free pass to go and do whatever and not obey his commands.

 

[SummaScriptura]

It is a crisis and a process.

A crisis that is not followed by a process becomes an absess, a fact to which many movements can attest.

 

[ConqueredbyLove]

I'm not sure what you are trying to say. Christ's finished work on the Cross does not make us perfect here on Earth

I agree...

Christ's finished work on the Cross is not a free pass to go and do whatever and not obey his commands.

Again, I agree...

 

[sunlover1]

Ahhh but what's makes a strong marriage? After your vows you two go to your separate corners don't talk to each other and just coast through life, or come together as one as one and do all the things that make a marriage strong.


When I come home from work I don't just go to my study, eat alone, and then go to bed, Resting assured that "I'm Married".

I come home and greet my wife when she comes in, we make dinner together, we'll talk, we'll plan things out together.

Hi boswd.
That sounds awesome what you have and how you pour yourself out for your wife.
I'm guessing that it's an outward expression of an inward love and respect.
And Im sure that same thing does hold true in a relationship with God.
It does for me anyhow.
It's because He first loved me that causes me to be so thankful,... so overtaaken,
captivated by Him.

The same goes with Sanctification that is our working towards making our Marriage to Christ strong.

I see that above as a response to, rather than a sanctification of, but then i see
sanctification as meaning to be 'set apart for'.
Perhaps we are speaking from two different definitions.

I'm sorry I just don't buy the say the whole sinner's prayer and then you're done. You may have come to Christ but if your just going through the motions how strong is your marriage to Christ?

Certainly, the relationship is still marriage though.
My relationship to God is sonship regardless of how 'good' of a 'son' I am, no?
My relationship to my husband is as a wife, regardless of what sort of wife i am?
(Not trying to be silly, just trying to get to the facts)
Perhaps marriage isnt a good analogy to sanctification, i dunno...

This is a little bit of a long read but I think John Wesley explains Santification better than anyone I have come across. He perfectly explains how separate Justification and Sanctification are and how they work together.

.Global Ministries - John Wesley, Sermon 43, The Scripture Way of Salvation

[/QUOTE]
Now we're getting somewhere.
Thanks, I'll give it a go asap.
SL

 

[visionary]

Sanctification...

in the world but not of the world
be ye transformed

Another way scripture explains "sanctification" is through the concept of "pure" and "cleanse"..

1 John 3:3
Everyone who has this hope in him purifies himself, just as he is pure.

Revelation 14:4
These are those who did not defile themselves with women, for they kept themselves pure. They follow the Lamb wherever he goes. They were purchased from among men and offered as firstfruits to God and the Lamb.

Even Paul's work was towards this purity...

2 Corinthians 11:3
But I am afraid that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent's cunning, your minds may somehow be led astray from your sincere and pure devotion to Christ.

What was his purpose?

Philippians 1:10
so that you may be able to discern what is best and may be pure and blameless until the day of Christ,

Philippians 2:15
so that you may become blameless and pure, children of God without fault in a crooked and depraved generation, in which you shine like stars in the universe

Sanctification seems to be a process by which we are to cleanse ourselves of all unrighteousness, and to dwell on those things that are pure even in this perverse generation..

Philippians 4:8
Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things.

Of course, isn't that towards the goal of righteous before God...

1 Timothy 1:5
The goal of this command is love, which comes from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith.

2 Timothy 2:22
Flee the evil desires of youth, and pursue righteousness, faith, love and peace, along with those who call on the Lord out of a pure heart.

IN fact, the sanctification [set apart...Holy] of the mind, is where transformations into the likeness of our Lord occur.

Titus 1:15
To the pure, all things are pure, but to those who are corrupted and do not believe, nothing is pure. In fact, both their minds and consciences are corrupted.

Hebrews 10:22
let us draw near to God with a sincere heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled to cleanse us from a guilty conscience and having our bodies washed with pure water.

James 1:27
Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.

Let us not mix the spirit of this world with the godly spirit that the Holy Spirit has instilled in us, but let us willingly submit to the Holy Spirit and its work in our hearts.

James 3:17
But the wisdom that comes from heaven is first of all pure; then peace-loving, considerate, submissive, full of mercy and good fruit, impartial and sincere.

 

[boswd]

Hi boswd.
That sounds awesome what you have and how you pour yourself out for your wife.
I'm guessing that it's an outward expression of an inward love and respect.
And Im sure that same thing does hold true in a relationship with God.
It does for me anyhow.
It's because He first loved me that causes me to be so thankful,... so overtaaken,
captivated by Him.


I see that above as a response to, rather than a sanctification of, but then i see
sanctification as meaning to be 'set apart for'.
Perhaps we are speaking from two different definitions.


Certainly, the relationship is still marriage though.
My relationship to God is sonship regardless of how 'good' of a 'son' I am, no?
My relationship to my husband is as a wife, regardless of what sort of wife i am?
(Not trying to be silly, just trying to get to the facts)
Perhaps marriage isnt a good analogy to sanctification, i dunno...

Now we're getting somewhere.
Thanks, I'll give it a go asap.
SL[/quote]



Yeah it does seem like we are talking past each other
I think CJ hit the nail on the head when he asked that Sanctification be defined by what the OP believes to be Sanctification.

What I believe to be Sanctification it sounds like you would call it something different.

 

[TheCatholic]

SALVATION

Tracts:

Are Catholics Born Again
Assurance of Salvation?
Grace: What It Is and What It Does
Mortal Sin (Fathers*)
Reward and Merit (Fathers*)

* Includes commentary by the Early Church Fathers

All with imprimatur.
​

 

[LamorakDesGalis]

Just what is sanctification?

Is it a process that a believer goes through or it is a one time event?

Its both.

When a believer is justified before God, they cease being God's enemy and at that moment they are at peace with God. A justified believer is also sanctified - set apart - before God. This sanctification is referred to as positional sanctification. For example, the Corinthian Christians had major problems within their church, and yet Paul still addressed them as saints. Also in Romans 6, Paul based his argument on the believer's position in Christ.

Progressive sanctification refers to the lifelong process of God's work in and through the life of a believer.


LDG

 

[ConqueredbyLove]

Its both.

When a believer is justified before God, they cease being God's enemy and at that moment they are at peace with God. A justified believer is also sanctified - set apart - before God. This sanctification is referred to as positional sanctification. For example, the Corinthian Christians had major problems within their church, and yet Paul still addressed them as saints. Also in Romans 6, Paul based his argument on the believer's position in Christ.

Progressive sanctification refers to the lifelong process of God's work in and through the life of a believer.


LDG

I totally agree.... You explained it much better than I could have

 

[ticker]

sanctification.. process or one time event.

It's both, actually.

 

[sunlover1]

Yeah it does seem like we are talking past each other
I think CJ hit the nail on the head when he asked that Sanctification be defined by what the OP believes to be Sanctification.

What I believe to be Sanctification it sounds like you would call it something different.

Yes. I read the article you linked to and I agree with much of what Wesly says,
(then again, I would right? lol)
But there again, he uses that word in a way that I hadnt considered using it.
Since I don't have my strongs or other tools available to me at this time,
I can't really agree or disagree with the use of sanctification in this thread.
Using different terminology, I believe that God is the one who chooses and
"sets us apart" (my idea of sanctification) and that we are changed from Glory
to Glory throughout our lives, maturing and growing in the faith. (2 Cor 3)
I believe that one who is born again cannot "continue in" sin.
7(R)Little children, make sure no one (S)deceives you; (T)the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous;
8the one who practices sin is (U)of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning (V)The Son of God (W)appeared for this purpose, (X)to destroy the works of the devil.
9No one who is (Y)born of God (Z)practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10By this the (AA)children of God and the (AB)children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who (AC)does not love his (AD)brother.

This is what I believe...

(Rich Mullins was Catholic )
YouTube - Rich Mullins - Creed

Its both.

When a believer is justified before God, they cease being God's enemy and at that moment they are at peace with God. A justified believer is also sanctified - set apart - before God. This sanctification is referred to as positional sanctification. For example, the Corinthian Christians had major problems within their church, and yet Paul still addressed them as saints. Also in Romans 6, Paul based his argument on the believer's position in Christ.

Progressive sanctification refers to the lifelong process of God's work in and through the life of a believer.


LDG

Interesting LDG.
And either way,... it's God's work