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Salvation

Discussion in 'Non-denominational' started by TheBear, Jan 26, 2002.

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  1. LouisBooth

    LouisBooth Well-Known Member

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    unfortantly ed, by your words, I think you have confused sin with sin nature...big difference. No, chapter 7 is NOT about christians in the current sence, verse 14 clearly shows that, for christians are NOT "slaves to sin".
     
  2. edjones

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    Here in verse (13) we find another one of the purposes of the law "...that sin ... might become exceeding sinful." (See also Gal. 3:24; Rom. 3:19,20; 5:20)
    Galatians 3
    24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

    Romans 3
    19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

    Romans 5
    20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound


    The law is not completely done away with; it is only done away with for the person who trusts Christ as his or her own personal Saviour.

    Paul's personal testimony vs 14-25
    7:14 Spiritual is the opposite of carnal, (See 1 Cor. 3:1)

    1 Corinthians 3
    1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.



    Romans 7
    1 Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?
    2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
    3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
    4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.
    5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
    6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.
    7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
    8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
    9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
    10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
    11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
    12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
    13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
    14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
    15 For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
    16 If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
    17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
    18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
    19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
    20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
    21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
    22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
    23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
    24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
    25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
     
  3. LouisBooth

    LouisBooth Well-Known Member

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    "For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin. "

    There is your clue ed. He is NOT talking about a Christian..it clashes with what he just said is true of a christian in verse 17 in chapter 6 just for starters. Here Paul is addressing christians as whon by verse 11 "In the same way, count yourselves dead to sin but alive in Jesus Christ." So we know he is talking to christians in the present sense when he says, "But thanks be to God that, though you used to be slaves to sin, ..."

    Christians are no longer slaves to sin and that passage in chapter 7 is not about christians in the present tense but it IS about nonchristians (past tense) from a current Christian perspective.
     
  4. Thunderchild

    Thunderchild Sheep in Wolf's clothing

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    In so much, EdJones is correct. Babes in Christ remain carnal....1 Corinthians 3
    But Paul also says that we press on to maturity - and that maturity will come in its time, if the one perserveres.
     
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