Then why post it here? Are there some special people who are permitted to understand your "personal revelation?"It was a personal revelation and obviously wasn't meant for you.
No. Some Catholics here just don't accept Catholic teaching. Imagine that.Are Roman Catholics anti-Bible and anti-God? Some of their posts here are against what the Bible says and Who God really is!
The problem here is this proof text does not say what you think it does. I don't know what version you are quoting but in the KJV and the pre-Christian Septuagint [LXXl it is past tense, already done, not something future.This verse clearly expresses hope for those who have fallen.
Zechariah 9:11. As for you, because of the blood of my covenant with you, I will free your prisoners from the waterless pit.
The hearts of many Christians today have fallen short of the glory of God.
Beliefs and practices like purgatory and indulgences are what happens when men pervert God's word (or abandon it outright) in an attempt to control other men.
it seems you are taking a Catholic problem and using a Protestant method to solve it. Catholics need to use the lense of tradition to interpret scripture which it seems you are rejecting.
I would assume that it reasonable to at least hope that every soul at the Day of Judgement will get the opportunity to trust in Christ, and be saved. That is at least my personal hope. That does not mean that Hell is not real, or that Judgement is not real. Only that after the Judgement is passed, I hope that we can have reason to hope.
I believe that some Eastern Orthodox have thought along these lines. I am not sure about Catholic thinkers.
Not even close. By your worldly standard, for Jesus crucifixion to be successful, all would be saved, no matter what they did or believed?
When you start relying on fallible men to interpret scripture for you, I think you are on a slippery slope.
Indeed, you read "credible sources", as pleases you. But you fail to search scripture with your heart. Of which, I believe God desires most.I tend to read credible sources which have been published by credible publishers. I don't generally seek out things that don't meet those criteria. But I do read such material when it is posted in a thread and gladly point out errors.
You do not know whether I search scripture or not. Please confine your responses to what is posted in accordance with forum rules.Indeed, you read "credible sources", as pleases you. But you fail to search scripture with your heart. Of which, I believe God desires most.
You're all about punishment. Fortunately, this is not of Christ. And the dead can truly be saved and share in the love God has for us.Because that's what the Catholic Church teaches. And it's Biblical to boot.
Because God is just. God will judge everyone justly. Everyone will get just what they deserve, except for those saved, who will get better than they deserved. Nobody gets cheated by God.
What of this verse?the Greek Old Testament, the Septuagint, was completed about 150 BC, and is the basis for acceptance of the additional books in the Roman Catholic bible. 2 Maccabees was written about 100 BC (II Maccabees :: Catholic News Agency). This shows beyond any doubt that the original Septuagint could not have had this book as it was completed a half of a century before 2 Maccabees was written. This is also true of other books in the RC bible which were written AFTER the Septuagint was completed. Conclusive evidence that these additional books do NOT belong in the Old Testament Canon, as neither the original Hebrew or Greek contained them! You cannot refer to 2 Maccabees, as this is completely misleading!
You do not know the full extent of God's love.Are Roman Catholics anti-Bible and anti-God? Some of their posts here are against what the Bible says and Who God really is!
Jesus taught,You're all about punishment. Fortunately, this is not of Christ. And the dead can truly be saved and share in the love God has for us.
Correction: "some" of it's teachings. And, so it is with all of the churches.No. Some Catholics here just don't accept Catholic teaching. Imagine that.
Have you forgotten one basis characteristic of God, That "He goes unchanging"?The problem here is this proof text does not say what you think it does. I don't know what version you are quoting but in the KJV and the pre-Christian Septuagint [LXXl it is past tense, already done, not something future.
KJV Zechariah 9:11This is a common practice with all heterodox religious groups. Anybody can prove almost anything by quoting selective verses out-of-context and/or finding a Bible "version" which supports their false beliefs.
(11) As for thee also, by the blood of thy covenant I have sent forth thy prisoners out of the pit wherein is no water.
LXX Zech 9:11
(11) And thou by the blood of thy covenant has sent forth thy prisoners out of the pit that has no water.
What of this verse?
Zechariah 9:11. As for you, because of the blood of my covenant with you, I will free your prisoners from the waterless pit.
If there is no salvation for the dead?
Wouldn't a lake of fire be devoid of water?Excuse me for not being as sharp as you, but can you please tell me where does it say anywhere here that this is a reference to hell? The Hebrew literally reads "As for thee also, because of the blood of thy covenant I send forth thy prisoners out of the pit wherein is no water." The Bible describes the eternal destiny for the unsaved lost, as a "lake of fire", and nowhere as a "pit without water"? You keep on misusing this verse, and I wondered why?
I was told by Christ through God's Holy Spirit that we can make atonement for the dead in hell.
A Testimony of Spiritual Warfare and Christ |
You and others on this thread fail to see the complete glory of Christ.
What of this verse?
Zechariah 9:11. As for you, because of the blood of my covenant with you, I will free your prisoners from the waterless pit.
If there is no salvation for the dead?
Here's a start: The Ultimate Redemptive Purposes Of GodWhy are you so concerned with the possibility of salvation for those who are dead? You are relying so much on a passage in 2 Maccabees, which is not taught anywhere in the Holy Bible, as received by the Jews and the greater majority of Christians. Just suppose for a moment that this passage is wrong, then what? Where else would you turn to for justification for this teaching?
And what does this have to do with my post which you quoted and I quote above? The only one who changed anything is the version you quoted. It changed a past tense to a future tense quite evidently to make the verse fit false universalist teaching.Have you forgotten one basis characteristic of God, That "He goes unchanging"?
So you can only know what Origen said about aionios by reading it from a second hand source? Well consider me a second hand source because I posted several quotes from Origen, with proper citation of his works, in my [post #313]. In those writings you can see how Origen defines "eternal." And lest we think Origen is referring to a different word other than "aionios." He quotes Paul from Cor 4:17-18
2 Corinthians 4:17-18
(17) For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a far more exceeding and eternal [αἰώνιος/aionios] weight of glory;
(18) While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.[αἰώνιος/aionios]
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