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Featured Salvation for the Dead

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by notforgotten, Jun 26, 2017.

  1. JacksBratt

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    I agree.

    Anyone that does not know any better... mentally incapable people, children and such that never reach an age or mental state where they can full comprehend the concept of sin and salvation... these never reach a comprehension level where God could hold them responsible. These will not be held accountable. These will not be "of no excuse". These will be in paradise.

    Any human that reaches the intellectual capability of understanding right and wrong and their personal responsibility for their actions.... will be held "without excuse".
     
  2. JacksBratt

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    80 years for some 20 years for others. God will righteously determine who is to be held without excuse, due to their ability to comprehend the concept of sin, forgiveness, ownership, repentance etc.

    After you reach this state of culpability, in God's just right to determine it.......then it's just living your life for however many years you do, in a state of full responsibility for the eternal state of your soul.

    One could live for 88 years as an unrepentant heart. Then one day hear a song, sermon, tv show, conversation... then, turn their heart around and gain salvation.

    Another may change their heart as a 12 year old child and be fully aware of their repentance.

    Yet again, one may be 20 years old and totally have a hard hard and die a sinner.

    There is no way to know, with each person, how much time they have.

    That is why "NOW" is the time to come to Christ, change your heart, humble yourself and accept what you are. Accept Christs gift of salvation...........because 1 second from now, you may be standing before Him in eternity and being asked......Did you believe?
     
  3. chevyontheriver

    chevyontheriver Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Absolutely.
     
  4. Der Alter

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    Be sure to let me know when Ilaria Ramelli, the writer of "Hope Beyond Hell," all your buds at tentmakers and everyone else you quote repeatedly do a thorough scholarly review of all the sources I quoted. The only way they can prove the sources I quoted are all wrong is to review the historical sources listed in their definitions and prove that the sources do not support their conclusions. Same ol' copy/paste deleted. Third hand quotes are meaningless.
     
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  5. Der Alter

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    Paul addresses this in Romans.
    Romans 4:15
    (15) Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.
    Romans 5:13
    (13) (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
     
  6. CrystalDragon

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    Why? How is that just? Some have brain structures inclined to not believe. Some have never heard of Jesus. Some are horrible people but believe. Some don't have the capacity to understand. And those short years determine if you get tortured or not?
     
  7. Der Alter

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    So you can only know what Origen said about aionios by reading it from a second hand source? Well consider me a second hand source because I posted several quotes from Origen, with proper citation of his works, in my [post #313]. In those writings you can see how Origen defines "eternal." And lest we think Origen is referring to a different word other than "aionios." He quotes Paul from Cor 4:17-18
    2 Corinthians 4:17-18
    (17) For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a far more exceeding and eternal [αἰώνιος/aionios] weight of glory;

    (18) While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.[αἰώνιος/aionios]

     
  8. notforgotten

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    I was told by Christ through God's Holy Spirit that we can make atonement for the dead in hell.

    A Testimony of Spiritual Warfare and Christ |

    You and others on this thread fail to see the complete glory of Christ.
     
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  9. notforgotten

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    This verse clearly expresses hope for those who have fallen.

    Zechariah 9:11. As for you, because of the blood of my covenant with you, I will free your prisoners from the waterless pit.

    The hearts of many Christians today have fallen short of the glory of God.
     
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  10. Der Alter

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    Anecdotal "evidence" with no scriptural support. Joseph Smith claimed to have seen the father and the son when he was young and he founded an entire religious group based on the "revelations" he claimed he received. That group is known as the Latter Day Saints or Mormons. Should we follow that group because one person claimed he had a revelation directly from God?
     
  11. notforgotten

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    It was a personal revelation and obviously wasn't meant for you.
     
  12. notforgotten

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    Is God's love not greater than mine?
     
  13. chevyontheriver

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    Because that's what the Catholic Church teaches. And it's Biblical to boot.
    Because God is just. God will judge everyone justly. Everyone will get just what they deserve, except for those saved, who will get better than they deserved. Nobody gets cheated by God.
     
  14. Christodoulos

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    What do you think about Jesus' Words in John 3:36?

    "Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him"
     
  15. CrystalDragon

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    You wouldn't torture people for not listening, would you?


    How do we know God is just? Plenty of things God allows, commands, or says in the Old Testament indicat the opposite.
     
  16. notforgotten

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    It is only Christ that holds the keys to hell. and He is not there, so thus, the doors cannot be locked from the inside. Christ holds keys to hell to be opened for those whose sins have been atoned for. It is through the very love in our Christian hearts that we can offer up atonement (good works) for the dead in hell to Christ for the salvation of their souls.

    Zechariah 9:11. As for you, because of the blood of my covenant with you, I will free your prisoners from the waterless pit.

    It's right there in scripture.

    2 Maccabees 12:46. Thus he made atonement for the dead that they might be freed from this sin.

    Trust in God's love and do not be one to be pitied.

    1 Corinthians 15:12. If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are of all people most to be pitied.
     
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  17. Christodoulos

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    the Greek Old Testament, the Septuagint, was completed about 150 BC, and is the basis for acceptance of the additional books in the Roman Catholic bible. 2 Maccabees was written about 100 BC (II Maccabees :: Catholic News Agency). This shows beyond any doubt that the original Septuagint could not have had this book as it was completed a half of a century before 2 Maccabees was written. This is also true of other books in the RC bible which were written AFTER the Septuagint was completed. Conclusive evidence that these additional books do NOT belong in the Old Testament Canon, as neither the original Hebrew or Greek contained them! You cannot refer to 2 Maccabees as "scripture", as this is completely misleading!
     
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  18. chevyontheriver

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    You've got a problem if you think God is not just. If you think there has to be some larger mechanism to correct for the injustice of God.
     
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  20. Christodoulos

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    Are Roman Catholics anti-Bible and anti-God? Some of their posts here are against what the Bible says and Who God really is!
     
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