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Why do I need to? All I can do is observe people to see who follows the Bible and who doesn't. And guess what: there are unbelievers who act better than some believers.How do you tell Jesus' sheep from all other sheep?
I'm just amazed that you are so comfortable with possibly being wrong.I've already given you ample evidence from scripture multiple times, but since you can't stand to think you might be wrong
lol. I guess you don't even bother to read my posts then. You want to see verses that explain WHO is given eternal life? OK, here goes.you don't even consider it, you just keep harping on one verse, while ignoring that the verses in the passage explain WHO is given eternal life
Wow. What is actually quite amusing and sad is your comment.and it's conditional on belief. Which of course you just said, but will deny that you said it in the next post.
It's actually quite amusing and sad.
Please prove your opinion.Salvation won't be assured till after the final judgement on the day of the Lord.
lol. Don't you know WHY Jesus taught with metaphors?
I'll just point out that every time I ask for clarification, you wander off into the weeds with nonsense. You haven't YET made yourself clear.
If that is true, then you would have clear evidence of that. So I challenge you to cite the post # and the quote itself.
Without which, this is just another very empty opinion.
First, you seem to have zero to little understanding of what I post. OF course Paul made the point that he could be killed at any moment. Duh.
Second, my claim is TRUE. You cannot provide ANY evidence that your opinions are found in the Bible.
No, you have only given your own opinion about a passage.
Of course I agree with the Word. What I don't agree with is your own opinions, which you have NOT been able to support from Scripture.
The 1 John 2;1 "sinner" is not a Christian, but "any man".
As Jesus was my advocate at the beginning of my walk in the Spirit so He can be to all who will come to Him.
Verses 3 & 4 define the difference between Christians and "any man"...
3 "And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him."
Amen to that.
Verse 4 above shows who is NOT "abiding".
I'm sorry you have taken a man's word to accommodate sin, as the truth of God.
By insinuating the word "practice", he has made a single murder, adultery, or lie acceptable in the body of Christ. As long as the sin is "only once in a while", it doesn't really matter!
Does that sound like the Christ of God?
And I bet it doesn't apply to Adam and Eve either.
A couple of things to address here...
First, It is "possible" for men in Christ to sin, but they don't.
Sin would manifest they were never actually "in Christ"...for in Him is no sin.
Second, One "posers'" sin can't show an entire doctrine to be wrong. The sinner was wrong, not the idea of perfect obedience to God.
We are given, by the grace of God, lots of exhortations and warnings about how to conduct ourselves, and they are meant to be adhered to.
Our level of learning has no influence on what we can resist from the devil.
It is written..."There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it." (1 Cor 10:13)
God provides the escapes for every one based on what they DO know.
Is sin a fruit of "that" seed?
No.
Believes, present tense. Exactly as I've been saying. Whoever believes, now, at this time has eternal life. Not whoever once upon a time believed. Lesson over.15 so that whoever believes will in Him have eternal life. 16 "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
John 3:36 "He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him."
John 5:24 "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.
John 6:40 "For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day."
John 6:47 "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes has eternal life.
Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord
I reject free grace but I believe that the bible does in fact state that a believer cannot lose their salvation. Case in point many statements made by Christ and the apostles that once a person receives the Holy Spirit and is born again, they are born again and saved FOR FOREVER.
Because I asked you.Why do I need to?
That is a fine answer.All I can do is observe people to see who follows the Bible and who doesn't.
If the unbelievers are following the bible closer than the believers, doesn't that make you see that those alleged believes are not following the bible?And guess what: there are unbelievers who act better than some believers.
I do believe it, but I don't call men who don't adhere to the bible "believers".But I know you won't believe that.
It is written..."But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ." (Rom 14:10)Please prove your opinion.
I have committed no sin since my repentance from sin.philw,
1. Are you telling me that you have never committed an act of sin since you have been saved?
As His seed is that from which I have been (re)gendered, it can not bear the fruit of the devil.Or do you believe that you can commit an act of sin but it really isn’t a sin because your seed remains in you?
It is written..."All unrighteousness is sin:.." (1 John 5:17)What is your definition of sin,
Not, as James writes..."But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.Do you believe mistakes are sins or not?
I've never heard the phrase before.What is your theology on the subject of sin according to sin?
Had Peter fraternized with the Gentiles when the visiting Jews showed up they would have accused him of sin.2. Peter was being hypocritical in Acts and Galatians according to Paul when he was with the gentiles and then wouldn’t associate with them later because of fear for the Jews. That was way after he was saved.
They were "immersed", took part in an event...not into Christ and His death, burial, and resurrection.The account of Korah in Moses day who sinned and were destroyed after they were part of those baptized in the cloud and sea.
I can't get a handle on a question here.??Those in Ezekiel 18 where God would not remember there righteousness anymore if they didn’t repent?
Again, as salvation won't be assured till after the final judgement of the last day, Ananias and wife manifested who they were really born of by their wicked fruit.Anna is and Sapphira dropped dead after lying to the Holy Spirit and they were a part of those that were saved in the early church and had everything in common.
Jesus came and conquered sin, while in the flesh.3. I don’t have time to go on but oblige me and let me know what your stand is on sin and the questions I have asked. Jerry Kelso
Your verse included "will in Him have..."Believes, present tense. Exactly as I've been saying. Whoever believes, now, at this time has eternal life. Not whoever once upon a time believed. Lesson over.
So does that mean you repent daily? Hourly? Minute by minute? If salvation is lost at every sin, how can we have any confidence that we are really in Christ? Perhaps we missed confession of something we didn't know was a sin.have committed no sin since my repentance from sin.
My salvation won't be sure till the day of the Lord's judgement.
No, that would be you.freegrace,
1. Now you’re just not being truthful.
The opposite is true. You haven't proved your opinion from Scripture.You can disagree and believe what you want but you haven’t proved the scriptures I gave for the context is wrong because you can’t.
Of course he is.2. Do you believe Paul is talking about the resurrection of Christ at all in 1 Corinthians 15 in this context?
yes. yes. yes. yes. But none of this is the point. In spite of what you seem to think is the point.Do you believe that in verse 12 that it is talking about people who didn’t believe in the physical resurrection of Christ?
Do you believe that everything is in vain if there is no hope of a physical resurrection?
Do you believe they could be killed physically any day for the sake of living for Jesus?
Do you believe that if there is no hope of a physical resurrection is why Paul said they might as well eat drink and be merry for tomorrow we die.
Are you aware that other religions include a physical resurrection. So your comment isn't truthful.Everyone is going to die but if you die without the hope of a physical resurrection you die as a sinner without Christ.
So? Not even scholars understand what Paul was referring to by 'baptism for the dead'.What good is baptism for the dead if there is no hope of a physical resurrection?
I gave you the first 31-32 verses of 1 Corinthians. I gave you Romans 8:36 and 2 Corinthians 4:9-11.
First, I just did. Second, I never give excuses. And my objections are based on truth, which I back up with Scripture.Answer the questions above and quit giving objecting excuses. Jerry Kelso
You sure do. Your posts make no sense.Lol, reading comprehension problem.
I offer this Scripture, which REFUTES your erroneous opinion.Believes, present tense. Exactly as I've been saying. Whoever believes, now, at this time has eternal life. Not whoever once upon a time believed. Lesson over.
Such "cooperation" is just another way of saying that we are saved by what we DO. That is works salvation.We can be eternally secure by cooperating with Christ in relationship.
Please quote any Scripture that says so.God will not make man do something against his will if he decides he doesn’t want to do it. If so then he would make sure that we are eternally unable not have the possibility to sin.
Why can't you prove your opinion from Scripture; that losing salvation is a possibility.Christians losing their salvation is a possibility but I wouldn’t necessarily it is a high probability. Paul said he had a made up mind and most Christians are of that mindset. Jerry Kelso
How do people become Jesus' sheep? They "enter through Him", a metaphor for believing in Him.I do believe it, but I don't call men who don't adhere to the bible "believers".
They are 'sheep' who do not follow Jesus. (John 10:4)
Only one problem. There is NOTHING in any of these verses that backs up your last statement. Zero.It is written..."But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ." (Rom 14:10)
"For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad." (2 Cor 5:10)
"And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment". (Heb 9:27)
"For the time is come that judgement must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?" (1 Peter 4:17)
"The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:" (2 Peter 2:9)
"But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men." (2 Peter 3:7)
"Here in is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world." (1 John 4:17)
...only then your salvation will be assured.
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