Sacerdotalism

[LittleLambofJesus]

Like tongs insulate us from a burning coal?

I use me bare hands cuz I iz tuff

Luke 12:49 Fire I came to be casting upon the Land and any I am willing if already it was kindled.
[Reve 8:5]

Reve 8:5 And the Messenger has taken *the frankincensor and he crams-full it out of the Fire of the Altar, and cast it into the Land and became *thunders and sounds* and lightnings and a quake [Luke 12:49]

 

[simonthezealot]

why have Priest's or Pastor's at all then? What's the point? we can all go out on our own.

If using their gifts as being called by God to help shepard his Flock is considered a barrier then what is your Pastor doing every Sunday?

Can't you hear the word of God without him or her? Can't you praise God without your Pastor?

sacerdos is literally one who presents sacred offerings, this is unnecessary, now that Jesus is our high priest. Hebrews is clear about that.

Pastors don't present sacred offerings they build and edify the body by preaching the word.

 

[Eucharisted]

What do you mean by act in the divine person of?

It is Jesus who makes the Eucharist, just as it is Jesus who makes the priest. You think that a man who acts as a minister is a barrier between Jesus and man, yet, you do not think that Jesus who acts as a minister is a barrier between God and man. Why? Because Jesus is God and man, and no man is God and man. (Indeed, how could there be a barrier between God and man in Jesus? The union of God and man in Jesus is greater than the union between the molecules of water, between the body and soul, between the light of the Sun and the Sun itself) But this is the mystery of the Mystery of Holy Orders: The priest becomes so like Jesus that he is able to act in the Person of the Son of God, who is incarnate: the priest is able to act in the Incarnate Son of God, which is why we say he acts in the Divine Person of Jesus, for, Jesus is a Divine Person, the Son of God, who became man: He is God incarnate, and not man divinized, which is why we say He is a Divine Person and why do not say He is a human person.

The Eucharistic Prayer is indeed the priestly prayer par excellence, for, as the Second Vatican Council teaches, the ordained priest, "acting in the person of Christ, brings about the Eucharistic Sacrifice and offers it to God in the name of all the people."[14] The priest, who through receiving the sacrament of Holy Orders has been conformed to Christ the High Priest, acts and speaks as representing Christ the Head

--The Priest and the Canon of the Mass

Recommended Reading:
Holemni Hac Liturgia - Credo of the People of God
The Priest and the Canon of the Mass
The Priesthood and the Mass

 

[Standing Up]

why have Priest's or Pastor's at all then? What's the point? we can all go out on our own.

If using their gifts as being called by God to help shepard his Flock is considered a barrier then what is your Pastor doing every Sunday?

Can't you hear the word of God without him or her? Can't you praise God without your Pastor?

sacerdos is literally one who presents sacred offerings, this is unnecessary, now that Jesus is our high priest. Hebrews is clear about that.

Pastors don't present sacred offerings they build and edify the body by preaching the word.

I hope by now that everyone can understand that there is a qualitative difference between a NT PRIEST and a pastor or prophet or teacher or evangelist. Folks made a false association.

So, why a NT PRIEST as a distinctive class of believer? Peter says we are all a royal and holy priesthood.

 

[Standing Up]

It is Jesus who makes the Eucharist, just as it is Jesus who makes the priest. You think that a man who acts as a minister is a barrier between Jesus and man, yet, you do not think that Jesus who acts as a minister is a barrier between God and man. Why? Because Jesus is God and man, and no man is God and man. (Indeed, how could there be a barrier between God and man in Jesus? The union of God and man in Jesus is greater than the union between the molecules of water, between the body and soul, between the light of the Sun and the Sun itself) But this is the mystery of the Mystery of Holy Orders: The priest becomes so like Jesus that he is able to act in the Person of the Son of God, who is incarnate: the priest is able to act in the Incarnate Son of God, which is why we say he acts in the Divine Person of Jesus, for, Jesus is a Divine Person, the Son of God, who became man: He is God incarnate, and not man divinized, which is why we say He is a Divine Person and why do not say He is a human person.



Recommended Reading:
Holemni Hac Liturgia - Credo of the People of God
The Priest and the Canon of the Mass
The Priesthood and the Mass

Wow. That didn't come from Peter. But do you know from where?

 

[Eucharisted]

Wow. That didn't come from Peter. But do you know from where?

Do you worship Peter? Yet Peter is not a god. I worship God, from whom comes all truth and reality.

 

[Standing Up]

Do you worship Peter? I worship God, from whom comes all truth and reality.

Wow again. Christ built the church upon Peter or upon Peter's confession of faith (let the reader decide). But Peter said this, 1 Peter 2:5 you also, as living stones, are being built up as a spiritual house for a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. Nowhere does Peter establish a separate order of NT PRIESTS offering up physical sacrifices. So, from where did they come up with that?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

*snip*
Recommended Reading:
Holemni Hac Liturgia - Credo of the People of God
The Priest and the Canon of the Mass
The Priesthood and the Mass

I saw an interesting thread on the OBOB board a little while back.
Not sure what it means by "New Mass".

http://www.christianforums.com/t7464618-9/
What if the New Mass looked like this?

 

[LiturgyInDMinor]

It is a man made barrier between God and man that was made by certain men to give a certain institution power over men.

Oh bull.


Carry on....sacerdotally.

 

[Eucharisted]

Wow again. Christ built the church upon Peter or upon Peter's confession of faith (let the reader decide). But Peter said this, 1 Peter 2:5 you also, as living stones, are being built up as a spiritual house for a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. Nowhere does Peter establish a separate order of NT PRIESTS offering up physical sacrifices. So, from where did they come up with that?

Why do you worship Peter? He is not a god. As for where the priesthood comes from, I have already explained from where it comes: Jesus, the Eternal High Priest and only Mediator between God and man. And I clarified my point as well. With Church documents, to boot.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Do you worship Peter? Yet Peter is not a god. I worship God, from whom comes all truth and reality.

Why do you worship Peter? He is not a god. As for where the priesthood comes from, I have already explained from where it comes: Jesus, the Eternal High Priest and only Mediator between God and man. And I clarified my point as well. With Church documents, to boot.

http://www.christianforums.com/t6958045/
Does the Roman Church focus on Peter too much

 

[Standing Up]

Why do you worship Peter? He is not a god. As for where the priesthood comes from, I have already explained from where it comes: Jesus, the Eternal High Priest and only Mediator between God and man. See my first post.

Glad we agree then (not that either of us worship Peter), but rather that you are a priest and I am a priest and let's see, Simonthezealot, and LLOJ, and RevJohnG and many others around here.

So, the OP was about that separate order still offering sacrifice apart from scripture and Peter, the ones of those mystery orders. Who are they and from where do they come? Please don't answer Jesus because we've already agreed with Him and Peter about all of us as the priesthood.

 

[Eucharisted]

Glad we agree then (not that either of us worship Peter), but rather that you are a priest and I am a priest and let's see, Simonthezealot, and LLOJ, and RevJohnG and many others around here.

So, the OP was about that separate order still offering sacrifice apart from scripture and Peter, the ones of those mystery orders. Who are they and from where do they come? Please don't answer Jesus because we've already agreed with Him and Peter about all of us as the priesthood.

Fallacy of associated guilt. Your argument for the priesthood is invalid.

 

[simonthezealot]

The priest becomes so like Jesus that he is able to act in the Person of the Son of God, who is incarnate: the priest is able to act in the Incarnate Son of God, which is why we say he acts in the Divine Person of Jesus, for, Jesus is a Divine Person, the Son of God, who became man:

How is he able to act in the divine person of Christ? or in the incarnate Son of God?
Does this mean he becomes Christ?
Or Christ inhabits him? i don't get it?
I'm thick headed and fail to understand, can you cite some scripture to help me?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Fallacy of associated guilt. Your argument for the priesthood is invalid.

Wat da heck duz dat meen

 

[Eucharisted]

How is he able to act in the divine person of Christ? or in the incarnate Son of God?
Does this mean he becomes Christ?
Or Christ inhabits him? i don't get it?
I'm thick headed and fail to understand, can you cite some scripture to help me?

I cited some Church documents, which in turn cite Scripture. Read the documents yourself.

 

[Eucharisted]

Wat da heck duz dat meen

Association fallacy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Standing Up]

Fallacy of associated guilt. Your argument for the priesthood is invalid.

Well, again, that's Peter to whom you're referring.

1 Peter 2:5 you also, as living stones, are being built up as a spiritual house for a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.

1 Peter 2:9 But you are A CHOSEN RACE, A royal PRIESTHOOD, A HOLY NATION, A PEOPLE FOR God's OWN POSSESSION, so that you may proclaim the excellencies of Him who has called you out of darkness into His marvelous light;

Correct me here. Don't you believe the Church is built upon Peter the rock or the rock of confession (let the reader decide)?

Peter is talking to you and to me and to other believers. Shall we listen to him or to non-eyewitnesses? He's saying we are stones too, built up as a temple wherein God dwells. We are of the Melchizedek priesthood, called out of darkness into His light, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God. We are acceptable to God because of the righteousness of Jesus Christ who dwells in us.

 

[simonthezealot]

I cited some Church documents, which in turn cite Scripture. Read the documents yourself.

IOW, you're not sure? i'm seeking clarification in laymen terms...

 

[Eucharisted]

IOW, you're not sure? i'm seeking clarification in laymen terms...

IOW, you didn't read the documents? Because I certainly did.