Sabbath?

[visionary]

were invited, that deal ended. You are SUPPOSED TO BE of Abraham now, who had ye not sabbath, an historic event happened, the seed came.

I thought you support a futuristic temple, that does not allow gentiles?


Ez 44:9 “Thus says the Lord God: No foreigner, uncircumcised in heart and flesh, of all the foreigners who are among the people of Israel, shall enter my sanctuary.

The futuristic temple I support is the one Yeshua brings with Him.. .. not some man made thing.

 

[Frogster]

This was not about some far off distant thing.


Matthew 11:28
Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

 

[visionary]

And now for the rest of the story

 

[Heavens]

The futuristic temple I support is the one Yeshua brings with Him.. .. not some man made thing.

Our bodies are the Temple. The mansions of God's House within whom He Lives forever. This is the Temple that God has been living in for two thousand years now;

(1Co 3:16) Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

(1Co 6:19) What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

Which IS the Body of Christ;

(1Co 12:12) For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.

Made without men's hands;

(Mar 14:58) We heard him say, I will destroy this temple that is made with hands, and within three days I will build another made without hands.

(Joh 2:21) But he spake of the temple of his body.

There it is

He is at rest within us, His Temple Body of believers! Thank you Jesus!

 

[Frogster]

Our bodies are the Temple. The mansions of God's House within whom He Lives forever. This is the Temple that God has been living in for two thousand years now;

(1Co 3:16) Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

(1Co 6:19) What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

Which IS the Body of Christ;

(1Co 12:12) For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.

Made without men's hands;

(Mar 14:58) We heard him say, I will destroy this temple that is made with hands, and within three days I will build another made without hands.

(Joh 2:21) But he spake of the temple of his body.

There it is

He is at rest within us, His Temple Body of believers! Thank you Jesus!

Perfect! I guess when Jesus said that, come to me for rest, he was thinking of some future temple.

 

[visionary]

Our bodies are the Temple. The mansions of God's House within whom He Lives forever. This is the Temple that God has been living in for two thousand years now;

(1Co 3:16) Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

(1Co 6:19) What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

Which IS the Body of Christ;

(1Co 12:12) For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.

Made without men's hands;

(Mar 14:58) We heard him say, I will destroy this temple that is made with hands, and within three days I will build another made without hands.

(Joh 2:21) But he spake of the temple of his body.

There it is

He is at rest within us, His Temple Body of believers! Thank you Jesus!

Amen... as you know the Lord loves the number three... three places... the temple/tabernacle which Moses was given the blue prints from the real one in heaven.. the real temple of God in heaven.. and us who are the temple of God... and they all operate on the same principles.... isn't that cool.!!!

 

[Heavens]

Amen... as you know the Lord loves the number three... three places... the temple/tabernacle which Moses was given the blue prints from the real one in heaven.. the real temple of God in heaven.. and us who are the temple of God... and they all operate on the same principles.... isn't that cool.!!!

Amen, yes
Since the shadow type that Moses built WAS only the image of the REAL Temple in Heaven, and since WE are that REAL Heavenly Temple, it is being FULFILLED in US now To Day, for WE are that Temple in Heaven wherein we REST in Christ, who Rests in US! Amen!!

 

[visionary]

Amen, yes
Since the shadow type that Moses built WAS only the image of the REAL Temple in Heaven, and since WE are that REAL Heavenly Temple, it is being FULFILLED in US now To Day, for WE are that Temple in Heaven wherein we REST in Christ, who Rests in US! Amen!!

Now let us, the Temple of God reflect that rest in time and in Him be one..

 

[Heavens]

Now let us, the Temple of God reflect that rest in time and in Him be one..

Amen sister! Always And Amen

 

[Frogster]

Now let us, the Temple of God reflect that rest in time and in Him be one..

I only wish we could be one, but so long as you r in a gal 2 thing, you are holding aloof from your own people.

12 For before certain men came from James, he was eating with the Gentiles; but when they came he drew back and separated himself, fearing the circumcision party.

Abraham....the promise rested on Gentile Abe. Rom 4:10.

 

[Frogster]

law, flesh, boasting, judaism, all gone in Abe.

27 Then what becomes of our boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? By a law of works? No, but by the law of faith. 28 For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works of the law. 29 Or is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also,

 

[visionary]

law, flesh, boasting, judaism, all gone in Abe.

27 Then what becomes of our boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? By a law of works? No, but by the law of faith. 28 For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works of the law. 29 Or is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles also? Yes, of Gentiles also,

You forgot to finish .. to bring it into context...

30 since there is only one God, who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through that same faith. 31 Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law.

 

[Frogster]

You forgot to finish .. to bring it into context...

30 since there is only one God, who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through that same faith. 31 Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law.

You either have to condmen by law, as the context dictates for 3 chapters to uphold it, or you must realize law in 31, meant the OT.

How does the faith, in the question of 31, jew and gentile, uphold Mosaic law?

It does not, but if you realize law in 3:31, meant the OT, where Paul went into the OT, what does the OT say, 4:3, to prove justifiying faith, of Jewish David, and gentile abe, was all along, whereby upholding what was in the OT. Law can mean OT, also, as per John 10 and 15, and eslewhere.

Unless you can show, how Rom 4, where he answered the question of 3:31, upholding the OT, proves mosaic law, justifying jew and gentile.


Look at the question. Then look where Paul goes to prove the point, in the OT , to show it, he did not go into Mosaic law to uphold anything, did he? No, he went into the OT, OT means law also, it was not Moses.

31 Do we then overthrow the law by this faith? By no means! On the contrary, we uphold the law.

 

[Frogster]

You forgot to finish .. to bring it into context...

30 since there is only one God, who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through that same faith. 31 Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law.

In other words, Paul is asking if this faith, the faith mentioned in 30, of justifying jew and gentile, overturn the OT..

No, he went into the OT to show this very justifying faith, was there all along.

He is thinking Ot, since the 2nd verse, and others, it gives context to the thought.

OT..2 which he promised beforehand through his prophets in the holy Scriptures,

OT..17 For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith for faith, [5] as it is written, “The righteous shall live by faith.”

OT..21 But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it—

See, the OT, the law and the prophets, 3:21, the OT, where he went into, in chapter 4, to prove the point, that was the OT, that is upheld, it was not Mosaic, in 31. How does Mosaic law, uphold the question of 31? Does this justifying faith, of Jew and Gentile uphold...?

You tell me, Moses, or the OT?

 

[Heavens]

You forgot to finish .. to bring it into context...

30 since there is only one God, who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through that same faith. 31 Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law.

Hmm,

It would probably be fair to find out what "we uphold the law" means, no?

Does it mean to "keep the law" in some fashion?

Or does it mean that the law pointed forward to the "Faith" spoken of in the previous verses? (which is how I understand it).

It is the word "establish"... It seems to me that the only means by which the law was "established" or "upheld" is when a person is of the Faith of Abraham, upon which the law deferred to for the Blessings. Correct me if I'm wrong... Because we know there is no blessings to us under the law...

thoughts?

 

[Frogster]

Hmm,

It would probably be fair to find out what "we uphold the law" means, no?

Does it mean to "keep the law" in some fashion?

Or does it mean that the law pointed forward to the "Faith" spoken of in the previous verses? (which is how I understand it).

It is the word "establish"... It seems to me that the only means by which the law was "established" or "upheld" is when a person is of the Faith of Abraham, upon which the law deferred to for the Blessings. Correct me if I'm wrong... Because we know there is no blessings to us under the law...

thoughts?

exactly, how does the justifying faith, of jew and gentile up hold Moses, as per the question of 31, it does not, but it does uphold the OT. Everyone seems to think "law" always means Moses.

 

[visionary]

Hmm,

It would probably be fair to find out what "we uphold the law" means, no?

Does it mean to "keep the law" in some fashion?

Or does it mean that the law pointed forward to the "Faith" spoken of in the previous verses? (which is how I understand it).

It is the word "establish"... It seems to me that the only means by which the law was "established" or "upheld" is when a person is of the Faith of Abraham, upon which the law deferred to for the Blessings. Correct me if I'm wrong... Because we know there is no blessings to us under the law...

thoughts?

Both the curses and the blessings are found in the law.. as outlined be Moses...

 

[Heavens]

Both the curses and the blessings are found in the law.. as outlined be Moses...

Yes. The Blessing part was a prophesy. We all know there was no Blessing under the Law of sin and death of Moses.

The law of Moses was fulfilled in only cursing the people, But the prophesy of Blessing... The Abrahamic Blessing was re-prophecied within the Law, pointing forward to Jesus Coming forth from the dead, to fulfill and abolish the Law of Moses, to bring the Abrahamic Covenant to Light.

That's how I read it anyway. That is how the law is established, by bringing forth Christ, to fulfill the law. Now Jesus in US by His Holy Spirit, the law of Life is fulfilled in us in the NEW Law of Liberty that is fulfilled in Him without our own works, but by Faith.

That's how I understand it anyway.
As a prior Jew, it was hard for me to receive this from Jesus, but I understand it now I think

 

[visionary]

Yes. The Blessing part was a prophesy. We all know there was no Blessing under the Law of sin and death of Moses.

The law of Moses was fulfilled in only cursing the people, But the prophesy of Blessing... The Abrahamic Blessing was re-prophecied within the Law, pointing forward to Jesus Coming forth from the dead, to fulfill and abolish the Law of Moses, to bring the Abrahamic Covenant to Light.

That's how I read it anyway. That is how the law is established, by bringing forth Christ, to fulfill the law. Now Jesus in US by His Holy Spirit, the law of Life is fulfilled in us in the NEW Law of Liberty that is fulfilled in Him without our own works, but by Faith.

That's how I understand it anyway.
As a prior Jew, it was hard for me to receive this from Jesus, but I understand it now I think

Works without faith is dead... Faith without works is also dead..

 

[from scratch]

Yes. The Blessing part was a prophesy. We all know there was no Blessing under the Law of sin and death of Moses.

The law of Moses was fulfilled in only cursing the people, But the prophesy of Blessing... The Abrahamic Blessing was re-prophecied within the Law, pointing forward to Jesus Coming forth from the dead, to fulfill and abolish the Law of Moses, to bring the Abrahamic Covenant to Light.

That's how I read it anyway. That is how the law is established, by bringing forth Christ, to fulfill the law. Now Jesus in US by His Holy Spirit, the law of Life is fulfilled in us in the NEW Law of Liberty that is fulfilled in Him without our own works, but by Faith.

That's how I understand it anyway.
As a prior Jew, it was hard for me to receive this from Jesus, but I understand it now I think

What happened to Deut 28?