Sabbath?

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Col 2:16-17 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. NIV

This verse is quite clear. In the NT church there were people from different religious backgrounds. Thus issues such as holy days, 'unclean' foods, rituals, circumcision, arose within that community. Paul recognised the power of past beliefs and his own freedom from them in Christ. But he was sufficiently gracious to recognise that maturity took time, and thus Christians were not to judge each other on what were really peripheral matters. He saw Sabbath keeping in this way as that verse shows.

If ever Sabbath keeping as a specific day was necessary that letter to the Collossians was the time to spell it out, having actually mentioned the Sabbath. But Paul didn't do that.

John
NZ

GE:

Thanks for having answered.

Now here is what is written in Colossians 2 literally :

“THEREFORE (oun) do not you let yourselves be condemned / judged / incriminated / intimidated / victimized (meh humahs krinetoh) by anyone (tis) [of / in the ‘world’] in eating and drinking (en brohsei kai en posei) [spiritually of Christ] either in respect of (eh en merei) OF feast (heortehs) whether (eh) OF month’s (neomehnias) or OF Sabbaths’ (eh sabbatohn)— which things (ha) is / are (estin) shadow / spectre (skia) of-things-a-coming (tohn mellontohn) : indeed the (to de) Body of Christ’s Own (sohma tou Christou).”

Now HEREIN there is NOTHING of :
“judge you by what you eat or drink”;
“a religious festival”;
“a New Moon celebration”;
“a Sabbath day”;
“people from different religious backgrounds”;
“issues such as holy days, 'unclean' foods, rituals, circumcision”;
“within that community”;
“the power of past beliefs”;
“maturity took time”;
“Christians … judge each other”;
“peripheral matters”.

Paul rather sees the Congregation feasting Sabbath’s occasionally and perpetually in the way this verse shows in undaunted, Christian, freedom, in the face and in defiance of a hostile world.

Surely, If ever the Sabbath as THE specific special day for and of festive Congregational WORSHIP was necessary, THIS Letter and THIS Scripture to the Colossians SPELL IT OUT, Paul having actually mentioned the Church’s “Sabbaths’ Feast” through “eating and drinking” spiritually of Jesus Christ the Water and the Bread of LIFE, “holding to” Christ “the Head … nourishment being (thus) ministered, growing with the growth of God”. (19) Paul wrote exactly that!

 

[ricker]

GE:

Thanks for having answered.

Now here is what is written in Colossians 2 literally :

“THEREFORE (oun) do not you let yourselves be condemned / judged / incriminated / intimidated / victimized (meh humahs krinetoh) by anyone (tis) [of / in the ‘world’] in eating and drinking (en brohsei kai en posei) [spiritually of Christ] either in respect of (eh en merei) OF feast (heortehs) whether (eh) OF month’s (neomehnias) or OF Sabbaths’ (eh sabbatohn)— which things (ha) is / are (estin) shadow / spectre (skia) of-things-a-coming (tohn mellontohn) : indeed the (to de) Body of Christ’s Own (sohma tou Christou).”

Now HEREIN there is NOTHING of :
“judge you by what you eat or drink”;
“a religious festival”;
“a New Moon celebration”;
“a Sabbath day”;
“people from different religious backgrounds”;
“issues such as holy days, 'unclean' foods, rituals, circumcision”;
“within that community”;
“the power of past beliefs”;
“maturity took time”;
“Christians … judge each other”;
“peripheral matters”.

Paul rather sees the Congregation feasting Sabbath’s occasionally and perpetually in the way this verse shows in undaunted, Christian, freedom, in the face and in defiance of a hostile world.

Surely, If ever the Sabbath as THE specific special day for and of festive Congregational WORSHIP was necessary, THIS Letter and THIS Scripture to the Colossians SPELL IT OUT, Paul having actually mentioned the Church’s “Sabbaths’ Feast” through “eating and drinking” spiritually of Jesus Christ the Water and the Bread of LIFE, “holding to” Christ “the Head … nourishment being (thus) ministered, growing with the growth of God”. (19) Paul wrote exactly that!

Where is the Scripture actually telling the Gentile churches to rest on the Sabbath, or mentioning sabbath breaking as a sin, or telling the new believers how to keep it in the new Christian movement?


The Sabbath was given to Israel as their sign and covenant. Where is that sign given to the Christian believers who aren't Jews?

 

[PROPHECYKID]

GE:

Thanks for having answered.

Now here is what is written in Colossians 2 literally :

“THEREFORE (oun) do not you let yourselves be condemned / judged / incriminated / intimidated / victimized (meh humahs krinetoh) by anyone (tis) [of / in the ‘world’] in eating and drinking (en brohsei kai en posei) [spiritually of Christ] either in respect of (eh en merei) OF feast (heortehs) whether (eh) OF month’s (neomehnias) or OF Sabbaths’ (eh sabbatohn)— which things (ha) is / are (estin) shadow / spectre (skia) of-things-a-coming (tohn mellontohn) : indeed the (to de) Body of Christ’s Own (sohma tou Christou).”

Now HEREIN there is NOTHING of :
“judge you by what you eat or drink”;
“a religious festival”;
“a New Moon celebration”;
“a Sabbath day”;
“people from different religious backgrounds”;
“issues such as holy days, 'unclean' foods, rituals, circumcision”;
“within that community”;
“the power of past beliefs”;
“maturity took time”;
“Christians … judge each other”;
“peripheral matters”.

Paul rather sees the Congregation feasting Sabbath’s occasionally and perpetually in the way this verse shows in undaunted, Christian, freedom, in the face and in defiance of a hostile world.

Surely, If ever the Sabbath as THE specific special day for and of festive Congregational WORSHIP was necessary, THIS Letter and THIS Scripture to the Colossians SPELL IT OUT, Paul having actually mentioned the Church’s “Sabbaths’ Feast” through “eating and drinking” spiritually of Jesus Christ the Water and the Bread of LIFE, “holding to” Christ “the Head … nourishment being (thus) ministered, growing with the growth of God”. (19) Paul wrote exactly that!

Do you know what the handwriting of ordinances are and what it contains?

 

[ricker]

Do you know what the handwriting of ordinances are and what it contains?

Yes, he skips the contest of the verses.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Do you know what the handwriting in ordinances are and what it contains?

GE:

You took for granted I would answer like you legalists would?

Mistaken!

"the handwriting in ordinances" is what it says : the law! The legalist wished it "done away with" and "put out of the way", so that he may imagine himself free from the law of God. He has a surprise coming.

The other kind of legalist wished "the handwriting in ordinances" is what it says : 'the ceremonial law'! This legalist wished it "done away with" and "put out of the way", so that he may imagine himself holy for keeping what he diminished to the 'moral law'. He too has a surprise coming, judgment day.

Because Paul said "DO NOT you let yourselves be judged by anyone in the world".

The third type of legalist is the magistrate who issued warrant against those "Sabbaths'-feasting" freemen of "the Body of Christ's Own".

But the Law-Giver meant the Law and the WHOLE Law _OF GOD_ in fact his WORD Jesus Christ. HE was the One "done away with" and "put out of the way" : "ON THE CROSS".

 

[Deut 5:29]

GE:

You took for granted I would answer like you legalists would?

Mistaken!

"the handwriting in ordinances" is what it says : the law! The legalist wished it "done away with" and "put out of the way", so that he may imagine himself free from the law of God. He has a surprise coming.

The other kind of legalist wished "the handwriting in ordinances" is what it says : 'the ceremonial law'! This legalist wished it "done away with" and "put out of the way", so that he may imagine himself holy for keeping what he diminished to the 'moral law'. He too has a surprise coming, judgment day.

Because Paul said "DO NOT you let yourselves be judged by anyone in the world".

The third type of legalist is the magistrate who issued warrant against those "Sabbaths'-feasting" freemen of "the Body of Christ's Own".

But the Law-Giver meant the Law and the WHOLE Law _OF GOD_ in fact his WORD Jesus Christ. HE was the One "done away with" and "put out of the way" : "ON THE CROSS".

Absolutly not.
Some people turn to Paul’s writings to try to do away with God’s precious Law, but is that what Paul taught? Not even close.
Let’s look at two of the scriptures they use to prove this heresy and see if that is indeed what Paul says.

You might want to consider these things that Paul said, and ask yourself, did the man who wrote these words then; try to do away with God’s Law?

1) Ro. 8:7 Because the carnal mind (a mind without God’s Spirit) is enmity against (or is hostile toward) God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then ,(or because that is true) those who are in the flesh (without God’s Spirit) cannot please God.
2) Ro. 7:12Therefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good.
3) Ro. 2:13 (for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified.
4) Ro. 7:22 For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man.
5) 1Cor. 7:19 Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters.
Does anyone really think, That This Paul, tried to do away with God’s Law?

Col. 2:14 is one verse people love to use to try to say that Paul did away with God’s Law. We need to understand what this verse is really talking about.
The Romans nailed two things to the cross 1) They nailed Jesus to the cross. 2) They nailed a sign stating that He was the king of the Jews to the cross. (i.e. the charge against Him) But Paul says, (figuratively) that “the handwriting of requirements that was against us” was also nailed to the cross.
This is the only place in the NT that these Greek words (handwriting of requirements) are used. This is a legal document, hand written by the criminal, stating the charges against him, (in our case the charge is that we have sinned; Ro. 3:23) and the debt that he owes. (our debt or penalty is death; Ro. 6:23.) This is what was nailed to the cross, not God’s Law. Read “Friberg Lexicon” and also “Vine’s Complete Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words” for a further explanation.

“The New Living Translation” makes it much clearer. Cor. 2:14“He canceled the record that contained the charges against us. He took it and destroyed it by nailing it to the cross.” (Not the Law)

Col. 2:16 is another scripture some people try to use to prove that Paul did away with God’s Law. But does it?
Col. 2:16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival, (or feast day) or new moons.
What is Paul talking about here? Let’s read what he says. In verse 8 he warns us not to be fooled by the traditions of men. Verses 20, 22 warn us not to be subject to the rules of this world and commandments of men.

Col. 2 is actually a condemnation of acetic human philosophy. This is not a discussion of whether or not God’s laws are binding on Christians.

The church in Colosse was in the mist of a pagan gentile country. There is no question here of whether they were keeping these laws; rather they are being warned not to be influenced by the people around them. They are not being told to dismiss God’s Law. They were being encouraged to keep on keeping God’s Law in the mist of these worldly influences.
If one wants to dismiss God’s Law in their life they are free to do so, but they need to base it on human philosophy. They can’t use these scriptures to do it!

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Absolutly not.
Some people turn to Paul’s writings to try to do away with God’s precious Law, but is that what Paul taught? Not even close.
Let’s look at two of the scriptures they use to prove this heresy and see if that is indeed what Paul says.

You might want to consider these things that Paul said, and ask yourself, did the man who wrote these words then; try to do away with God’s Law?

1) Ro. 8:7 Because the carnal mind (a mind without God’s Spirit) is enmity against (or is hostile toward) God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then ,(or because that is true) those who are in the flesh (without God’s Spirit) cannot please God.
2) Ro. 7:12Therefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good.
3) Ro. 2:13 (for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified.
4) Ro. 7:22 For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man.
5) 1Cor. 7:19 Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters.
Does anyone really think, That This Paul, tried to do away with God’s Law?

Col. 2:14 is one verse people love to use to try to say that Paul did away with God’s Law. We need to understand what this verse is really talking about.
The Romans nailed two things to the cross 1) They nailed Jesus to the cross. 2) They nailed a sign stating that He was the king of the Jews to the cross. (i.e. the charge against Him) But Paul says, (figuratively) that “the handwriting of requirements that was against us” was also nailed to the cross.
This is the only place in the NT that these Greek words (handwriting of requirements) are used. This is a legal document, hand written by the criminal, stating the charges against him, (in our case the charge is that we have sinned; Ro. 3:23) and the debt that he owes. (our debt or penalty is death; Ro. 6:23.) This is what was nailed to the cross, not God’s Law. Read “Friberg Lexicon” and also “Vine’s Complete Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words” for a further explanation.

“The New Living Translation” makes it much clearer. Cor. 2:14“He canceled the record that contained the charges against us. He took it and destroyed it by nailing it to the cross.” (Not the Law)

Col. 2:16 is another scripture some people try to use to prove that Paul did away with God’s Law. But does it?
Col. 2:16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival, (or feast day) or new moons.
What is Paul talking about here? Let’s read what he says. In verse 8 he warns us not to be fooled by the traditions of men. Verses 20, 22 warn us not to be subject to the rules of this world and commandments of men.

Col. 2 is actually a condemnation of acetic human philosophy. This is not a discussion of whether or not God’s laws are binding on Christians.

The church in Colosse was in the mist of a pagan gentile country. There is no question here of whether they were keeping these laws; rather they are being warned not to be influenced by the people around them. They are not being told to dismiss God’s Law. They were being encouraged to keep on keeping God’s Law in the mist of these worldly influences.
If one wants to dismiss God’s Law in their life they are free to do so, but they need to base it on human philosophy. They can’t use these scriptures to do it!

GE:

You build a dilapidated windmill of you own concoction from Scriptures, say it’s mine, and storm it with a broomstick to destroy it.

“Absolutely not”, you shout, but have no clue WHAT, "not"!

It’s a waste of breath to try answer your “human philosophy”.

Nevertheless, there are a few remarks that like the ball of the roulette, landed on some lucky number.

“The church in Colosse was in the mist of a pagan gentile country. There is no question here of whether they were keeping these laws; rather they are being warned not to be influenced by the people around them. They are not being told to dismiss God’s Law. They were being encouraged to keep on keeping God’s Law in the mist of these worldly influences.”

Now what did you say “Absolutely not!” for, when I said the exact same things?!

And why contradict YOURSELF so, where you first, state,
“The Romans nailed two things to the cross 1) They nailed Jesus to the cross. 2) They nailed a sign stating that He was the king of the Jews to the cross. (i.e. the charge against Him) But Paul says, (figuratively) that “the handwriting of requirements that was against us” was also nailed to the cross”, then after it, you state,
“our debt or penalty is death; Ro. 6:23 This is what was nailed to the cross, not God’s Law.”

What about Isaiah 53?

But you want to separate God’s Law, Christ, and the Penalty for transgression against it that is transgression against HIM. In Christ Law and transgression of the Law --- that is, transgression or SIN against HIM, are become ONE : “He was made SIN for us”; and so was it with the curse / penalty / reward --- of the LAW; these things all became one IN CHRIST. He took the curse of the Law upon Himself in our stead. HE BECAME THE CURSE; HE WAS THE PENALTY; HE IS THE PRIZE OF SIN : IN OUR PLACE.

Christ crucified is God’s Law crucified; Christ crucified is ‘the Record’ of our sins --- IS in fact OUR SINS crucified and nailed to the cross.

Christ is not divided. He gave his LIFE which is his ALL; and so did God. Paul says THIS where he before in Colossians 2 said that we are co-crucified with and in the crucifixion / circumcision / baptism OF : CHRIST; and, that we are “CO-RAISED-TOGETHER-WITH-AND-IN-CHRIST” in the RESURRECTION OF : HIM. So we became CO-CONQUERORS IN AND THROUGH JESUS CHRIST and "feast Sabbaths'-feast" because of LIFE revealed to us and shed forth over and upon us and into our hearts IN HIM : IN RESURRECTION FROM THE DEAD.

That is what I said, and you said, "Absolutely not" for, obviously, just to say it.

 

[Deut 5:29]

GE:

You build a dilapidated windmill of you own concoction from Scriptures, say it’s mine, and storm it with a broomstick to destroy it.

“Absolutely not”, you shout, but have no clue WHAT, "not"!

It’s a waste of breath to try answer your “human philosophy”.

Nevertheless, there are a few remarks that like the ball of the roulette, landed on some lucky number.

“The church in Colosse was in the mist of a pagan gentile country. There is no question here of whether they were keeping these laws; rather they are being warned not to be influenced by the people around them. They are not being told to dismiss God’s Law. They were being encouraged to keep on keeping God’s Law in the mist of these worldly influences.”

Now what did you say “Absolutely not!” for, when I said the exact same things?!

And why contradict YOURSELF so, where you first, state,
“The Romans nailed two things to the cross 1) They nailed Jesus to the cross. 2) They nailed a sign stating that He was the king of the Jews to the cross. (i.e. the charge against Him) But Paul says, (figuratively) that “the handwriting of requirements that was against us” was also nailed to the cross”, then after it, you state,
“our debt or penalty is death; Ro. 6:23 This is what was nailed to the cross, not God’s Law.”

What about Isaiah 53?

But you want to separate God’s Law, Christ, and the Penalty for transgression against it that is transgression against HIM. In Christ Law and transgression of the Law --- that is, transgression or SIN against HIM, are become ONE : “He was made SIN for us”; and so was it with the curse / penalty / reward --- of the LAW; these things all became one IN CHRIST. He took the curse of the Law upon Himself in our stead. HE BECAME THE CURSE; HE WAS THE PENALTY; HE IS THE PRIZE OF SIN : IN OUR PLACE.

Christ crucified is God’s Law crucified; Christ crucified is ‘the Record’ of our sins --- IS in fact OUR SINS crucified and nailed to the cross.

Christ is not divided. He gave his LIFE which is his ALL; and so did God. Paul says THIS where he before in Colossians 2 said that we are co-crucified with and in the crucifixion / circumcision / baptism OF : CHRIST; and, that we are “CO-RAISED-TOGETHER-WITH-AND-IN-CHRIST” in the RESURRECTION OF : HIM. So we became CO-CONQUERORS IN AND THROUGH JESUS CHRIST and "feast Sabbaths'-feast" because of LIFE revealed to us and shed forth over and upon us and into our hearts IN HIM : IN RESURRECTION FROM THE DEAD.

That is what I said, and you said, "Absolutely not" for, obviously, just to say it.

You're kidding right?
Your post is some kind of bad joke right?

 

[from scratch]

GE:

Thanks for having answered.

Now here is what is written in Colossians 2 literally :

“THEREFORE (oun) do not you let yourselves be condemned / judged / incriminated / intimidated / victimized (meh humahs krinetoh) by anyone (tis) [of / in the ‘world’] in eating and drinking (en brohsei kai en posei) [spiritually of Christ] either in respect of (eh en merei) OF feast (heortehs) whether (eh) OF month’s (neomehnias) or OF Sabbaths’ (eh sabbatohn)— which things (ha) is / are (estin) shadow / spectre (skia) of-things-a-coming (tohn mellontohn) : indeed the (to de) Body of Christ’s Own (sohma tou Christou).”

Now HEREIN there is NOTHING of :
“judge you by what you eat or drink”;
“a religious festival”;
“a New Moon celebration”;
“a Sabbath day”;
“people from different religious backgrounds”;
“issues such as holy days, 'unclean' foods, rituals, circumcision”;
“within that community”;
“the power of past beliefs”;
“maturity took time”;
“Christians … judge each other”;
“peripheral matters”.

Paul rather sees the Congregation feasting Sabbath’s occasionally and perpetually in the way this verse shows in undaunted, Christian, freedom, in the face and in defiance of a hostile world.

Surely, If ever the Sabbath as THE specific special day for and of festive Congregational WORSHIP was necessary, THIS Letter and THIS Scripture to the Colossians SPELL IT OUT, Paul having actually mentioned the Church’s “Sabbaths’ Feast” through “eating and drinking” spiritually of Jesus Christ the Water and the Bread of LIFE, “holding to” Christ “the Head … nourishment being (thus) ministered, growing with the growth of God”. (19) Paul wrote exactly that!

I think tha Paul is dealing with the Judaizers (Pharisees mentioned in Acts 15) who were still doing the same thing. It is a well established fact that they followed Paul every where. It is dealt with in Galatians too.

I find it very interesting that the same lis can be found in Hosea 2:11 which isn't talking about the Christian church.

 

[from scratch]

Where is the Scripture actually telling the Gentile churches to rest on the Sabbath, or mentioning sabbath breaking as a sin, or telling the new believers how to keep it in the new Christian movement?


The Sabbath was given to Israel as their sign and covenant. Where is that sign given to the Christian believers who aren't Jews?

Good questions.

 

[from scratch]

Absolutly not.
Some people turn to Paul’s writings to try to do away with God’s precious Law, but is that what Paul taught? Not even close.
Let’s look at two of the scriptures they use to prove this heresy and see if that is indeed what Paul says.

You might want to consider these things that Paul said, and ask yourself, did the man who wrote these words then; try to do away with God’s Law?

1) Ro. 8:7 Because the carnal mind (a mind without God’s Spirit) is enmity against (or is hostile toward) God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then ,(or because that is true) those who are in the flesh (without God’s Spirit) cannot please God.
2) Ro. 7:12Therefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good.
3) Ro. 2:13 (for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified.
4) Ro. 7:22 For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man.
5) 1Cor. 7:19 Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters.
Does anyone really think, That This Paul, tried to do away with God’s Law?

Col. 2:14 is one verse people love to use to try to say that Paul did away with God’s Law. We need to understand what this verse is really talking about.
The Romans nailed two things to the cross 1) They nailed Jesus to the cross. 2) They nailed a sign stating that He was the king of the Jews to the cross. (i.e. the charge against Him) But Paul says, (figuratively) that “the handwriting of requirements that was against us” was also nailed to the cross.
This is the only place in the NT that these Greek words (handwriting of requirements) are used. This is a legal document, hand written by the criminal, stating the charges against him, (in our case the charge is that we have sinned; Ro. 3:23) and the debt that he owes. (our debt or penalty is death; Ro. 6:23.) This is what was nailed to the cross, not God’s Law. Read “Friberg Lexicon” and also “Vine’s Complete Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words” for a further explanation.

“The New Living Translation” makes it much clearer. Cor. 2:14“He canceled the record that contained the charges against us. He took it and destroyed it by nailing it to the cross.” (Not the Law)

Col. 2:16 is another scripture some people try to use to prove that Paul did away with God’s Law. But does it?
Col. 2:16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival, (or feast day) or new moons.
What is Paul talking about here? Let’s read what he says. In verse 8 he warns us not to be fooled by the traditions of men. Verses 20, 22 warn us not to be subject to the rules of this world and commandments of men.

Col. 2 is actually a condemnation of acetic human philosophy. This is not a discussion of whether or not God’s laws are binding on Christians.

The church in Colosse was in the mist of a pagan gentile country. There is no question here of whether they were keeping these laws; rather they are being warned not to be influenced by the people around them. They are not being told to dismiss God’s Law. They were being encouraged to keep on keeping God’s Law in the mist of these worldly influences.
If one wants to dismiss God’s Law in their life they are free to do so, but they need to base it on human philosophy. They can’t use these scriptures to do it!

I still wonder how one gets by Jer 31:31-34 and Jesus' own words recorded in Mat 26:28, MK 14:24 and LK 22:20. Not to mention Heb 7:12.

 

[Deut 5:29]

I still wonder how one gets by Jer 31:31-34 and Jesus' own words recorded in Mat 26:28, MK 14:24 and LK 22:20. Not to mention Heb 7:12.

It's no wonder, you wonder.
I simply understand them.
None of them make the point you think they make.

 

[ricker]

It's no wonder, you wonder.
I simply understand them.
None of them make the point you think they make.

Do you understand them as written, or as you think they should be somehow interpreted?

 

[from scratch]

It's no wonder, you wonder.
I simply understand them.
None of them make the point you think they make.

So then what is their point? Please explain the truth. I want to hear it. All I see so far is a you're wrong statement.

 

[from scratch]

Absolutly not.
Some people turn to Paul’s writings to try to do away with God’s precious Law, but is that what Paul taught? Not even close.
Let’s look at two of the scriptures they use to prove this heresy and see if that is indeed what Paul says.

You might want to consider these things that Paul said, and ask yourself, did the man who wrote these words then; try to do away with God’s Law?

1) Ro. 8:7 Because the carnal mind (a mind without God’s Spirit) is enmity against (or is hostile toward) God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then ,(or because that is true) those who are in the flesh (without God’s Spirit) cannot please God.
2) Ro. 7:12Therefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good.
3) Ro. 2:13 (for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified.
4) Ro. 7:22 For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man.
5) 1Cor. 7:19 Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters.
Does anyone really think, That This Paul, tried to do away with God’s Law?

Col. 2:14 is one verse people love to use to try to say that Paul did away with God’s Law. We need to understand what this verse is really talking about.
The Romans nailed two things to the cross 1) They nailed Jesus to the cross. 2) They nailed a sign stating that He was the king of the Jews to the cross. (i.e. the charge against Him) But Paul says, (figuratively) that “the handwriting of requirements that was against us” was also nailed to the cross.
This is the only place in the NT that these Greek words (handwriting of requirements) are used. This is a legal document, hand written by the criminal, stating the charges against him, (in our case the charge is that we have sinned; Ro. 3:23) and the debt that he owes. (our debt or penalty is death; Ro. 6:23.) This is what was nailed to the cross, not God’s Law. Read “Friberg Lexicon” and also “Vine’s Complete Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words” for a further explanation.

“The New Living Translation” makes it much clearer. Cor. 2:14“He canceled the record that contained the charges against us. He took it and destroyed it by nailing it to the cross.” (Not the Law)

Col. 2:16 is another scripture some people try to use to prove that Paul did away with God’s Law. But does it?
Col. 2:16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival, (or feast day) or new moons.
What is Paul talking about here? Let’s read what he says. In verse 8 he warns us not to be fooled by the traditions of men. Verses 20, 22 warn us not to be subject to the rules of this world and commandments of men.

Col. 2 is actually a condemnation of acetic human philosophy. This is not a discussion of whether or not God’s laws are binding on Christians.

The church in Colosse was in the mist of a pagan gentile country. There is no question here of whether they were keeping these laws; rather they are being warned not to be influenced by the people around them. They are not being told to dismiss God’s Law. They were being encouraged to keep on keeping God’s Law in the mist of these worldly influences.
If one wants to dismiss God’s Law in their life they are free to do so, but they need to base it on human philosophy. They can’t use these scriptures to do it!

What about Romans 7:6, 10:4 and Gal 4:30?

 

[Johnnz]

Plus the entire book of Hebrews.

John
NZ

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Re:

"“The New Living Translation” makes it much clearer. Cor. 2:14“He canceled the record that contained the charges against us. He took it and destroyed it by nailing it to the cross.” (Not the Law)"

GE:

"the record…", is nonsense; it's not what is written. What is written is "inscription / letter IN / BY ORDINANCES”— which is 'LAW BY LAW' --- _UTTER_, '_LAW_'.

It was THE LAW : which is JESUS CHRIST the Word of God --- his LAW --- that (or WHO) was "nailed to the cross" : that – HE Himself in the body of his Human and Divine LIFE – and the inscription above his head : "KING of the Jews".

Now the 'King' is Law; and Law is King in the case of God : Rex Lex Lex Rex absolutely— NOTHING THAN CHRIST AS HIMSELF in Royal Dignity of The Law of God and even as the WRITTEN Law of God. THAT was what was "TAKEN OUT OF THE WAY" by having been "NAILED TO THE CROSS".

But He was "BROUGHT BACK AGAIN FROM THE DEAD" Hebrews 13:20 GLORIFIED AND EXALTED AT THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD THE POSITION OF KING AND LAW OF GOD!

THIS, in Colossians 2:14,15, was THAT where-"IN", Christ "TRIUMPHED"; and THIS, is THAT upon the STRENGTH of which Paul, "COMFORTS", condones and encourages the Colossian believers : "_THEREFORE_ : do NOT you let yourselves be judged / condemned / intimidated / persecuted in eating and drinking with regard to FEAST-OF-MONTH'S or FEAST-OF-SABBATHS'….”

The Greek makes it even clear that Christ by his death and resurrection “canceled" the civil 'court order written against us' because of the Christians’ "FEAST OF SABBATHS" and "eating and drinking" of Christ their spiritual Bread and Water of Life.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

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apologies...

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

Re:

From Scratch :

"Col. 2 is actually a condemnation of ascetic human philosophy. This is not a discussion of whether or not God’s laws are binding on Christians.

The church in Colosse was in the midst of a pagan gentile country. There is no question here of whether they were keeping these laws; rather they are being warned not to be influenced by the people around them. They are not being told to dismiss God’s Law. They were being encouraged to keep on keeping God’s Law in the midst of these worldly influences."

GE:

Perfect!

 

[ricker]

Re:

From Scratch :

"Col. 2 is actually a condemnation of ascetic human philosophy. This is not a discussion of whether or not God’s laws are binding on Christians.

The church in Colosse was in the midst of a pagan gentile country. There is no question here of whether they were keeping these laws; rather they are being warned not to be influenced by the people around them. They are not being told to dismiss God’s Law. They were being encouraged to keep on keeping God’s Law in the midst of these worldly influences."

GE:

Perfect!

So this is speaking of pagan practices?

16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.