Sabbath was made for man

[Gibs]

To reject the Sabbath (the law) isn't rejecting salvation.

Well I wouldn't be of that opinion as Jesus and those with and of Him did also,

A couple examples,

Mt 28:1 ¶ In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

Lu 4:14 ¶ And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about.
Lu 4:15 And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all.
Lu 4:16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.

 

[Gibs]

Is it God's will for us to obey His only begotten beloved Son or is it to that plus the law which He didn't teach?

If and when we truly have love, then the law which is the law of love, it is in our hearts and so no longer is a schoolmaster to point out your sin.

It is now your law of love as it is God's and love and only love can fulfill it.

No, He tells us very clearly He did not come to destroy the law but to fulfill it.

That could only be done by keeping it, had he destroyed it He could not then fulfill it.

Love does no wrong in any way to anyone including our God. Love will actually go to extra means to be a friend or helper in some way.

 

[from scratch]

Well I wouldn't be of that opinion as Jesus and those with and of Him did also,

A couple examples,

Mt 28:1 ¶ In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

Lu 4:14 ¶ And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about.
Lu 4:15 And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all.
Lu 4:16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.

Of course they were Jews.

Neither of your passages make the Sabbath a requirement for salvation.

 

[from scratch]

If and when we truly have love, then the law which is the law of love, it is in our hearts and so no longer is a schoolmaster to point out your sin.

It is now your law of love as it is God's and love and only love can fulfill it.

No, He tells us very clearly He did not come to destroy the law but to fulfill it.

That could only be done by keeping it, had he destroyed it He could not then fulfill it.

Love does no wrong in any way to anyone including our God. Love will actually go to extra means to be a friend or helper in some way.

In the sense you speak of the law it is destroyed by Jesus. Jesus fulfilled the contract and none of us can. Since none of us can according to the Bible by your understanding there is no hope or salvation. Jesus said the only way in is thru Him - John 10. This means the law is out.

 

[Gibs]

Of course they were Jews.

Neither of your passages make the Sabbath a requirement for salvation.

Any race can be Christians when they surrender and become Christ's and these had. Haven't you read they are more easily grafted back in than we being wild olive branches.

 

[Gibs]

In the sense you speak of the law it is destroyed by Jesus. Jesus fulfilled the contract and none of us can. Since none of us can according to the Bible by your understanding there is no hope or salvation. Jesus said the only way in is thru Him - John 10. This means the law is out.

He fulfilled it as we must, He showed us how. He did it as a man taking no power but what is ours. No He did not do it as God or He would have done that after Adam and Eve fell.

He only allowed the Spirit of God to be the master in the soul temple as we must do.

We must be overcomers of ourselves, He is not going to do it for any.

There would not be any sense in that. We must choose obedience or rebellion!

He won't make us androids!

Re 2:11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

You are looking for a free ride into paradise and that will not be the case!

 

[from scratch]

He fulfilled it as we must, He showed us how. He did it as a man taking no power but what is ours. No He did not do it as God or He would have done that after Adam and Eve fell.

He only allowed the Spirit of God to be the master in the soul temple as we must do.

We must be overcomers of ourselves, He is not going to do it for any.

There would not be any sense in that. We must choose obedience or rebellion!

He won't make us androids!

Re 2:11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

You are looking for a free ride into paradise and that will not be the case!

There's not one single thing from the Old Covenant that affects my salvation and relationship with God including my entrance to heaven. So you can say and imply I'm not a Christian all you wish because I don't attend church on Saturday.

 

[Gibs]

There's not one single thing from the Old Covenant that affects my salvation and relationship with God including my entrance to heaven. So you can say and imply I'm not a Christian all you wish because I don't attend church on Saturday.

Like as the Lord I leave you free, we make up our own destiny.

 

[from scratch]

Like as the Lord I leave you free, we make up our own destiny.

Its not me that is hindered. Its the deception of others who are not as knowledgeable that bothers me. I'm not here to convert you. I know that possibility is pretty slim but still existent. Maybe some day you might actually read what the Bible says.

 

[VictorC]

Repeating this worn-out straw man doesn't garner sympathy. You need to show that the former shadow was resurrected with the old covenant it was part of before it could be changed. Existence is a prerequisite to change.

I agree, instead of proving the Sabbath was for Christians they try and go in the back door equating Sunday "observance" is the Sabbath then they say it is wrong because it is not Saturday. I see no biblical reference to Sunday being akin to the Sabbath to begin with such that you could play leapfrog over it to get back to Saturday.

The leap frog jumping was getting from Sabbath to Sunday don't you think?

A monster leap from the end of the week to the front of it!

Gibs,
You are not responding the content shown to you. You're merely repeating the fallacy two of us have pointed out without satisfying the prerequisite demanded.

It is a neverending effort to spam the forum instead of debate. Personally I am glad they are here doing this it only shows how utterly dismal their argument is for Christians to keep the Sabbath to begin with when they refuse to defend themselves. I've seen continually evasiveness regarding direct debating here such that IMO it seems more like promotion than debating.

Gibs,
you continue to ignore the fallacious premise that you've adopted. It seems you have no defense for your unBiblical belief system.

 

[from scratch]

Gibs,
You are not responding the content shown to you. You're merely repeating the fallacy two of us have pointed out without satisfying the prerequisite demanded.

Gibs,
you continue to ignore the fallacious premise that you've adopted. It seems you have no defense for your unBiblical belief system.

I'm sure you really don't expect him to say something else. After all he's under orders to not listen (accept) any thing you say unless it is what he says.

 

[Gibs]

Its not me that is hindered. Its the deception of others who are not as knowledgeable that bothers me. I'm not here to convert you. I know that possibility is pretty slim but still existent. Maybe some day you might actually read what the Bible says.

It is not my place to accuse you or any. That is not my role.

I simply know better than to think that God has annulled His Royal law to men who have fell in sin when all of Heaven abides by them.

He has simply made that the law can abide in our hearts under the new covenant and so then it becomes our law of love and we do then what we love to do and so therefore Love Is the Fulfilling of the Law!

Yes He leaves us each totally free as to whether we will or will not have it in our hearts.

Ro 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Ro 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
Ro 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
Ro 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Now, notice "I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin."

Jos 24:15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.

Joh 6:67 Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?

 

[from scratch]

It is not my place to accuse you or any. That is not my role.

I simply know better than to think that God has annulled His Royal law to men who have fell in sin when all of Heaven abides by them.

He has simply made that the law can abide in our hearts under the new covenant and so then it becomes our law of love and we do then what we love to do and so therefore Love Is the Fulfilling of the Law!

Yes He leaves us each totally free as to whether we will or will not have it in our hearts.

Ro 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Ro 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
Ro 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
Ro 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Now, notice "I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin."

Jos 24:15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.

Joh 6:67 Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?

You should read Jer 31:31-33 and read only what is there. Is isn't the law issued at Sinai that is written on our hearts.

Paul didn't say he serves the law. Paul said he observed God's law. This is the My law of Jer 31 and not the law on the stone tablets. Movement doesn't change content as you notably claim. The law (covenant) wasn't moved. It was replaced just like Jer 31 states. Jesus (God) testified to this fact as recorded on 3 Gospels.

Sorry but I can't accept your invitation in your closing quote.

 

[Gibs]

You should read Jer 31:31-33 and read only what is there. Is isn't the law issued at Sinai that is written on our hearts.

Paul didn't say he serves the law. Paul said he observed God's law. This is the My law of Jer 31 and not the law on the stone tablets. Movement doesn't change content as you notably claim. The law (covenant) wasn't moved. It was replaced just like Jer 31 states. Jesus (God) testified to this fact as recorded on 3 Gospels.

Sorry but I can't accept your invitation in your closing quote.

Scratch you should honestly know that there is no way I can agree with the premise that you expound!

 

[from scratch]

Scratch you should honestly know that there is no way I can agree with the premise that you expound!

I know that. I know you refuse to accept the New Covenant. Not my problem.

 

[Gibs]

I know that. I know you refuse to accept the New Covenant. Not my problem.

Your premise is that the new covenant fulfilled the law for you, the new covenant puts it in your heart so it is your love when taken in by love!

 

[from scratch]

Your premise is that the new covenant fulfilled the law for you, the new covenant puts it in your heart so it is your love when taken in by love!

You can't or won't accept the fact Jesus did something for you that you can't.

You some how think your righteousness will get you in.

 

[Sophrosyne]

You can't or won't accept the fact Jesus did something for you that you can't.

You some how think your righteousness will get you in.

I find legalists want to have their cake and eat it too. They want to feel they are in charge of obtaining their salvation (pride) yet when things go wrong they can dump their shortcomings on Jesus (when they break the Law). What I find ironic is they plead grace when they are a lawbreaker yet cannot see those relying totally upon grace to take place of the Law itself. It is like they have a trampoline and there is a fence between Law and Grace and they bounce back and forth between the two when it suits them. The sad thing is they don't realize they are using Grace as a copout to truly keeping the Law as it should be. They accuse us of making the Law more than it is when we point out they are breaking it by for example posting on the internet on the Sabbath and running utilities and driving cars too on that day. Grace to them is nothing but a whipping boy to be used so they can sin towards the Law while claiming to be in compliance with it and telling those of us who see this ruse for what it truly is.

 

[from scratch]

I find legalists want to have their cake and eat it too. They want to feel they are in charge of obtaining their salvation (pride) yet when things go wrong they can dump their shortcomings on Jesus (when they break the Law). What I find ironic is they plead grace when they are a lawbreaker yet cannot see those relying totally upon grace to take place of the Law itself. It is like they have a trampoline and there is a fence between Law and Grace and they bounce back and forth between the two when it suits them. The sad thing is they don't realize they are using Grace as a copout to truly keeping the Law as it should be. They accuse us of making the Law more than it is when we point out they are breaking it by for example posting on the internet on the Sabbath and running utilities and driving cars too on that day. Grace to them is nothing but a whipping boy to be used so they can sin towards the Law while claiming to be in compliance with it and telling those of us who see this ruse for what it truly is.

 

[Gibs]

You can't or won't accept the fact Jesus did something for you that you can't.

You some how think your righteousness will get you in.

When Christ is "REALLY" in you He is your strength and stay and your love of Him you begin to walk with Him all the days long and it is not galling but is exuberant!