Sabbath was made for man

[VictorC]

Scratch, I do not amend our God's law

You already established that you have.

and I do keep it

You've already conceded that you don't.

I suppose you expect us to disbelieve what you've posted. This attribute of disbelief can't be placed onto others.

 

[BobRyan]

Oh, you need know I have that liberty, that is from God!

I must let you know though that not one letter of the law is left off and never will be. Christ did not change His Father's law and He changes not also.

Mt 5:17 ¶ Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mt 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mt 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Some presume Christ set up a law different from what was in the beginning but that same one is in Christ in all fullness so that presumption don't ring out True at all.

Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
Mal 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

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Men have presumptuously made the way so wide that but an extreme few would not find it, but hear Jesus,

Mt 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Mt 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Good points in that post.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

I will leave you to your opinions as I can see you are set in them. I am not in any and am a continual learner at my Lords feet. He talks to me continually by His Spirit of Truth and I am an intent listener to catch His every teachings.

Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

Two wonderful promises!

Then may you be blessed and encouraged to continue that walk.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[from scratch]

VictorC,

No dodge Bro. just to let you know Yah changes not and is true of his Holy Word in regard to His Law. Once He speaks it gets the job done and He don't pull it back is what He is saying, changes it not!,

I had hoped you would catch that!

Please tell us who's lying in Jer 31:31-33, Mat 26:28 and Heb 7:12.

 

[from scratch]

Scratch, it was Jesus and His Word and He dwells in me as the Spirit of Truth and guides me into ALL Truth and shows me things to come.

Wonderful is His Name!

You have to be kidding. I don't think you can BS me. What you say isn't based on what Jesus taught.

 

[from scratch]

Scratch, I do not amend our God's law and I do keep it and you are not my judge as to whether I do. It is a law of love and out of love I fulfill it as only love can as only a service of love will fulfill it and only love will beget the obedience required as it too must be a service of love from the heart!

Have you read Ex 20:8-11 and 16? Why compound sin?

 

[from scratch]

Yes, it was a Dodge, one of many we see on forums such as this one. Randomly posting a verse that asserts God's Word isn't going to fail -on the heels of posts asserting that His Word is meaningless- is especially embarrassing to your cause. Or, it should have been, if you remembered what you posted.
I do.
So far you've shown that God's propitiation to reconcile us to Him has no meaning, you remain estranged from God "without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world" (already cited for you), and aren't accounted as an adopted child of God.

Still no response from you. No defense for your opinions. In fact, you repeated a fallacy that I identified this morning once again. Dodging demonstrates that you aren't going to provide anything meaningful.

One can still get much practice dodging in Dodge, KS. Its still a cow town but much tamer these days. Gotta have a little fun.

 

[BobRyan]

Please tell us who's lying in Jer 31:31-33, .

Jer 31 and Heb 8 agree - the New Covenant writes the Law of God - as known to Jeremiah and his readers - on the heart and mind.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

Have you read Ex 20:8-11

Ex 20:11 and Gen 2:1-3 make the same argument about the 7 day creation week and God having made the 7th day - then at that time "sanctified" and a "holy day" -

Even the pro-sunday sources in the signature line below admit to this obvious bible detail.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[from scratch]

Jer 31 and Heb 8 agree - the New Covenant writes the Law of God - as known to Jeremiah and his readers - on the heart and mind.

in Christ,

Bob

Yes they do. Now please answer the question.

 

[from scratch]

Ex 20:11 and Gen 2:1-3 make the same argument about the 7 day creation week and God having made the 7th day - then at that time "sanctified" and a "holy day" -

Even the pro-sunday sources in the signature line below admit to this obvious bible detail.

in Christ,

Bob

Nope! and I'm tired of being badgered.

 

[Gibs]

Ex 20:11 and Gen 2:1-3 make the same argument about the 7 day creation week and God having made the 7th day - then at that time "sanctified" and a "holy day" -

Even the pro-sunday sources in the signature line below admit to this obvious bible detail.

in Christ,

Bob

Yes for sure, Bob as really they all must admit of the seventh day being God's Sabbath as none Truly have a valid scripture to show that God who changeth not has changed it. Is it not strange too that, that fourth one is the one that grates, no contention is raised of the others much. It isn't grating to me, it is a true delight to come and tabernacle with Him in Spirit.

In vain they will state some that have no bearing whatsoever. Many hammer on orthodoxy here but true orthodoxy will only stand in the great judgment day by the Most High, there all knees will bow.

True orthodox is to abide by ALL His Word in Truth, not presumption.

 

[Elder 111]

No I just think that stiffer fines should be levied.Nope!Perfect keeping has nothing to do with the law. The purpose of the law is to legally punish evil doers. In the case of the law issued at Sinai the purpose is to administer mercy to all - Rom 11:32. I know full well you won't buy anything I said and that'd fine. I've no hope in reaching you with the truth.

How does the law punish evil?
How does it administer mercy?

 

[from scratch]

Yes for sure, Bob as really they all must admit of the seventh day being God's Sabbath as none Truly have a valid scripture to show that God who changeth not has changed it. Is it not strange too that, that fourth one is the one that grates, no contention is raised of the others much. It isn't grating to me, it is a true delight to come and tabernacle with Him in Spirit.

In vain they will state some that have no bearing whatsoever. Many hammer on orthodoxy here but true orthodoxy will only stand in the great judgment day by the Most High, there all knees will bow.

True orthodox is to abide by ALL His Word in Truth, not presumption.

If one refuses to believe Jesus and accept the new covenant that's their problem. One can't earn their salvation. Its a free gift and can't be had any other way.

 

[from scratch]

How does the law punish evil?
How does it administer mercy?

Would you be remotely suggesting its the people who stoned violators of the law rather than being told to do so by it? The law grants no mercy anywhere. Its violation always brings death in every case.

 

[Gibs]

Scatch, the law is the statue of rule, it is the judge who gives out the penalty called for by infraction of the law.

That law has not and never will not be abrogated! We all will meet the Most High Judge one day so it behooves us to not be based upon presumption of some slick well oiled orator of deception.

Dig deep an be honest with yourself in His Word and know He says what He means and means what He says.

 

[VictorC]

...they all must admit of the seventh day being God's Sabbath as none Truly have a valid scripture to show that God who changeth not has changed it.

This is the third time I've seen you use this straw man fallacy. No one has any obligation to address a point that isn't even valid.

I'm not among those who claim that the Mosaic covenant Law changed in essence, seeing that Hebrews 7:12 suggests a change in location (or, jurisdiction) as the Greek metatithēmi is used to declare a 'change' in the Law according to Hebrews 7:12, consistent with the context. See the Blue Letter Bible for how this same term is used in other passages.

Your fallacy of confusing the Creator with His temporal creation remains in variance with Scripture declaring how the first covenant changed in jurisdiction, and not in content.

• The first covenant demanded change (Hebrews 7:12)
• It was annulled (v.7:18)
• It was charged with a fault that called for a new covenant (v.8:7)
• It was rendered obsolete and ready to vanish away (v.8:13)
• Jesus redeemed our transgressions under the first covenant and is now the Mediator of the new covenant (v.9:15)
• He took the first covenant away by His own Hand, in order to establish that new covenant (v.10:9)

 

[Gibs]

This is the third time I've seen you use this straw man fallacy. No one has any obligation to address a point that isn't even valid.

It is not a valid question because you don't want it to be, but it sure is as God has said it.

Ex 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

He is speaking to all that are vying to be His and He don't want none forgetting!

 

[VictorC]

It is not a valid question because you don't want it to be, but it sure is as God has said it.

There wasn't a question involved - but at least you are honest to admit your point isn't valid. Please don't repeat it anymore.

Ex 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

He is speaking to all that are vying to be His and He don't want none forgetting!

This doesn't follow. What is your reason to quote the Mosaic covenant?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Jer 31 and Heb 8 agree - the New Covenant writes the Law of God - as known to Jeremiah and his readers - on the heart and mind.

in Christ,

Bob

We are all aware of Jeremiah 31/Hebrew 8......

http://www.christianforums.com/t7326950-11/#post50011260
New Covenant of Jeremiah 31 Hebrew 8

Jeremiah 31:31 'Behold! days, ones coming,' a declaration of YHWH
'and I-Cut/Make/03772 karath with the house of Yisra'el and with the house of Y@huwdah a Covenant, New'

03772 karath {kaw-rath'} a primitive root; TWOT - 1048; v
1) to cut, cut off, cut down, cut off a body part, cut out, eliminate, kill, cut a covenant

Hebrews 8:8 'For faulting to-them He is saying 'behold! days are coming is saying Lord and I shall-be-together-finishing/sun-telesw <4931> (5692) upon the house of Israel and upon the house of Judah a Covenant, New'

4931. sunteleo soon-tel-eh'-o from 4862 and 5055; to complete entirely; generally, to execute (literally or figuratively):--end, finish, fulfil, make.

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Abraham vs Moses

Luke 16:26
And upon all of these between us [NC/ABRAHAM/GRACE/LIFE] and ye[OC/MOSES/LAW/DEATH] a great chasm[FAITH OF JESUS] hath been established.
So that those willing to cross-over hence toward ye no may be able, neither thence toward us may be ferrying