Sabbath was made for man

[Gibs]

And what do you suggest I haven't read? Your POV doesn't agree with Moses, the Psalms, the prophets, Jesus and the Gospels and certainly not that false teacher Paul.

Scratch,

Ole chap we aren't going to get anyplace accusing one another so let us not take that role.

We will meet the true and righteous judge one day who gave us those scriptures and then we will learn if we had it right.

I see so much error slung around today that I know Jesus's Words here are true.

Mt 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

I will let you know that I am not a member of the SDA Church or the Seventh day Baptists but I see on that score these have it right and so since a young fellow reaching the age of reasoning I keep the Sabbath as He desires of me.

His Blessings my Brother

 

[from scratch]

Scratch,

Ole chap we aren't going to get anyplace accusing one another so let us not take that role.

We will meet the true and righteous judge one day who gave us those scriptures and then we will learn if we had it right.

I see so much error slung around today that I know Jesus's Words here are true.

Mt 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

I will let you know that I am not a member of the SDA Church or the Seventh day Baptists but I see on that score these have it right and so since a young fellow reaching the age of reasoning I keep the Sabbath as He desires of me.

His Blessings my Brother

You have before you the opportunity to show the opposite of what I said. I won't hold my breath. And I not accusing you, nothing personal. I'll just show and prove my point. No one is in compliance with the law.

 

[Gibs]

You have before you the opportunity to show the opposite of what I said. I won't hold my breath. And I not accusing you, nothing personal. I'll just show and prove my point. No one is in compliance with the law.

The consummation Scratch is at hand and none now have many yrs. to get it right and need to get right down in earnest making sure their calling and election.

2Pe 1:10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:
2Pe 1:11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

Isaiah saw there would be a breach in the Law of God, hear him,

Isa 58:12 And they that shall be of thee shall build the old waste places: thou shalt raise up the foundations of many generations; and thou shalt be called, The repairer of the breach, The restorer of paths to dwell in.
Isa 58:13 ¶ If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:
Isa 58:14 Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

 

[VictorC]

Scratch,

Ole chap we aren't going to get anyplace accusing one another so let us not take that role.

We will meet the true and righteous judge one day who gave us those scriptures and then we will learn if we had it right.

I see so much error slung around today that I know Jesus's Words here are true.

Mt 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

I will let you know that I am not a member of the SDA Church or the Seventh day Baptists but I see on that score these have it right and so since a young fellow reaching the age of reasoning I keep the Sabbath as He desires of me.

His Blessings my Brother

Well, you have the liberty to observe the former shadow of the Sabbath, but bear in mind that such observance isn't keeping the Sabbath Holy according to the Law that ordained it (the Levitical priesthood requisite for the burnt offerings doesn't serve you). Many of us concede God's redemption, and acknowledge entrance into His rest that the Sabbath was designed to lead those under the Law towards. Once we have the permanent reality of God's rest, what use is the shadow that led us there?

Galatians 3
21 Is the law then against the promises of God? Certainly not! For if there had been a law given which could have given life, truly righteousness would have been by the law. 22 But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. 23 But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed. 24 Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.​

Acknowledging God's redemption in Jesus Christ shows our state of faith having come to fruition. The Law designed to drive us there has served its purpose and doesn't retain us any longer.

I see you aren't SDA. Good. Did you know the SDA church relies on a mistranslation in the KJV? Granted, reliance on any English translation in how it renders another language isn't a good idea.

 

[from scratch]

The consummation Scratch is at hand and none now have many yrs. to get it right and need to get right down in earnest making sure their calling and election.

2Pe 1:10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:
2Pe 1:11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

Isaiah saw there would be a breach in the Law of God, hear him,

Isa 58:12 And they that shall be of thee shall build the old waste places: thou shalt raise up the foundations of many generations; and thou shalt be called, The repairer of the breach, The restorer of paths to dwell in.
Isa 58:13 ¶ If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:
Isa 58:14 Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

No one can obligate (force to do) God.

 

[Gibs]

Well, you have the liberty to observe the former shadow of the Sabbath, but bear in mind that such observance isn't keeping the Sabbath Holy according to the Law that ordained it (the Levitical priesthood requisite for the burnt offerings doesn't serve you). Many of us concede God's redemption, and acknowledge entrance into His rest that the Sabbath was designed to lead those under the Law towards. Once we have the permanent reality of God's rest, what use is the shadow that led us there?

Galatians 3
21 Is the law then against the promises of God? Certainly not! For if there had been a law given which could have given life, truly righteousness would have been by the law. 22 But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. 23 But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed. 24 Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.​

Acknowledging God's redemption in Jesus Christ shows our state of faith having come to fruition. The Law designed to drive us there has served its purpose and doesn't retain us any longer.

I see you aren't SDA. Good. Did you know the SDA church relies on a mistranslation in the KJV? Granted, reliance on any English translation in how it renders another language isn't a good idea.

Oh, you need know I have that liberty, that is from God!

I must let you know though that not one letter of the law is left off and never will be. Christ did not change His Father's law and He changes not also.

Mt 5:17 ¶ Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mt 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mt 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Some presume Christ set up a law different from what was in the beginning but that same one is in Christ in all fullness so that presumption don't ring out True at all.

Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
Mal 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

Our day now is the greatest falling away from the true doctrine Christianity has ever known! There is no true disciple ship but in a very, very few and Jesus told us it would be but the few,

Men have presumptuously made the way so wide that but an extreme few would not find it, but hear Jesus,

Mt 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Mt 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Brother I run the Greek and Hebrew with the KJV and know the infallible Word of my God!

 

[Gibs]

No one can obligate (force to do) God.

For sure Scratch, God leaves each and every last one of us to choose our own way, either His Way to get through them pearly Gates or the Destroyers way to perdition, it is our call and we can only blame self.

God has not predestined any to Hell.

 

[VictorC]

Oh, you need know I have that liberty, that is from God!

It becomes difficult to reconcile that claim with the rest of your post. You're also unwilling to extend the same liberty you claim to have to others who share in God's redemption.

I must let you know though that not one letter of the law is left off and never will be. Christ did not change His Father's law and He changes not also.

I'm not among those who claim that the Mosaic covenant Law changed in essence, seeing that Hebrews 7:12 suggests a change in location (or, jurisdiction) as the Greek metatithēmi is used to declare a 'change' in the Law according to Hebrews 7:12, consistent with the context. See the Blue Letter Bible for how this same term is used in other passages.

Mt 5:17 ¶ Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mt 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mt 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

You could also follow on one more verse to v.20 in this same passage, and see that the righteousness the Pharisees and scribes appealed to from the Law isn't sufficient to gain eternal life. The fulfillment of the Law Jesus promised in His statement above is found in His propitiation, completing the demands of the Law in His atonement. That fulfillment demands a sacrifice without spot or blemish, which you and I aren't qualified to perform.

Some presume Christ set up a law different from what was in the beginning but that same one is in Christ in all fullness so that presumption don't ring out True at all.

Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
Mal 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

This follows the fallacy that the attributes of the Creator equal the attributes of the Law. God retained mercy to Himself. On the other hand, the Law demands atonement for reconciliation. For fun, take a look at Romans 11:32 in its context: For God has committed them all to disobedience, that He might have mercy on all.

2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

Our day now is the greatest falling away from the true doctrine Christianity has ever known! There is no true disciple ship but in a very, very few and Jesus told us it would be but the few,

Men have presumptuously made the way so wide that but an extreme few would not find it, but hear Jesus,

Mt 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Mt 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Unrelated to the content. This doesn't form an argument worth consideration.

Brother I run the Greek and Hebrew with the KJV and know the infallible Word of my God!

And you didn't even ask about what mistranslation I might have been referring to, showing no interest in the point I raised. But since you brought up your exhaustive knowledge of the Word of Hashem, tell me what Jesus was teaching Peter about limited jurisdiction from this passage found in Matthew 17:

24 When they had come to Capernaum, those who received the temple tax came to Peter and said, “Does your Teacher not pay the temple tax?”
25 He said, “Yes.”
And when he had come into the house, Jesus anticipated him, saying, “What do you think, Simon? From whom do the kings of the earth take customs or taxes, from their sons or from strangers?”
26 Peter said to Him, “From strangers.”
Jesus said to him, “Then the sons are free."​

Keep in mind the central message of the Gospel of God's adoption as His own children, no longer accounted as children of Israel or children of Gentile descent who were estranged apart from God during the tenure of the Law (see Ephesians 2:11-18).

 

[Gibs]

It becomes difficult to reconcile that claim with the rest of your post. You're also unwilling to extend the same liberty you claim to have to others who share in God's redemption.

I'm not among those who claim that the Mosaic covenant Law changed in essence, seeing that Hebrews 7:12 suggests a change in location (or, jurisdiction) as the Greek metatithēmi is used to declare a 'change' in the Law according to Hebrews 7:12, consistent with the context. See the Blue Letter Bible for how this same term is used in other passages.

You could also follow on one more verse to v.20 in this same passage, and see that the righteousness the Pharisees and scribes appealed to from the Law isn't sufficient to gain eternal life. The fulfillment of the Law Jesus promised in His statement above is found in His propitiation, completing the demands of the Law in His atonement. That fulfillment demands a sacrifice without spot or blemish, which you and I aren't qualified to perform.

This follows the fallacy that the attributes of the Creator equal the attributes of the Law. God retained mercy to Himself. On the other hand, the Law demands atonement for reconciliation. For fun, take a look at Romans 11:32 in its context: For God has committed them all to disobedience, that He might have mercy on all.

Unrelated to the content. This doesn't form an argument worth consideration.

And you didn't even ask about what mistranslation I might have been referring to, showing no interest in the point I raised. But since you brought up your exhaustive knowledge of the Word of Hashem, tell me what Jesus was teaching Peter about limited jurisdiction from this passage found in Matthew 17:

24 When they had come to Capernaum, those who received the temple tax came to Peter and said, “Does your Teacher not pay the temple tax?”
25 He said, “Yes.”
And when he had come into the house, Jesus anticipated him, saying, “What do you think, Simon? From whom do the kings of the earth take customs or taxes, from their sons or from strangers?”
26 Peter said to Him, “From strangers.”
Jesus said to him, “Then the sons are free."​

Keep in mind the central message of the Gospel of God's adoption as His own children, no longer accounted as children of Israel or children of Gentile descent who were estranged apart from God during the tenure of the Law (see Ephesians 2:11-18).

I will leave you to your opinions as I can see you are set in them. I am not in any and am a continual learner at my Lords feet. He talks to me continually by His Spirit of Truth and I am an intent listener to catch His every teachings.

Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

Two wonderful promises!

 

[VictorC]

I will leave you to your opinions as I can see you are set in them. I am not in any and am a continual learner at my Lords feet. He talks to me continually by His Spirit of Truth and I am an intent listener to catch His every teachings.

Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

Two wonderful promises!

Allow me to translate the tenor of your post: You aren't here to learn anything, and have replaced Hashem's Word with a subjective feeling. How is this different from Mormonism's burning bosom to determine their rendition of "truth"?

That plus sound-bite theology leaves you unable to respond to content provided to you.

 

[from scratch]

The consummation Scratch is at hand and none now have many yrs. to get it right and need to get right down in earnest making sure their calling and election.

2Pe 1:10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:
2Pe 1:11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

Isaiah saw there would be a breach in the Law of God, hear him,

Isa 58:12 And they that shall be of thee shall build the old waste places: thou shalt raise up the foundations of many generations; and thou shalt be called, The repairer of the breach, The restorer of paths to dwell in.
Isa 58:13 ¶ If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:
Isa 58:14 Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

Its going to be very interesting to some and extremely disappoint others.

 

[from scratch]

Oh, you need know I have that liberty, that is from God!

I must let you know though that not one letter of the law is left off and never will be. Christ did not change His Father's law and He changes not also.

Mt 5:17 ¶ Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mt 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mt 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Some presume Christ set up a law different from what was in the beginning but that same one is in Christ in all fullness so that presumption don't ring out True at all.

Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
Mal 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

Our day now is the greatest falling away from the true doctrine Christianity has ever known! There is no true disciple ship but in a very, very few and Jesus told us it would be but the few,

Men have presumptuously made the way so wide that but an extreme few would not find it, but hear Jesus,

Mt 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Mt 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Brother I run the Greek and Hebrew with the KJV and know the infallible Word of my God!

Doesn't matter when you alter the meaning of words and ignore other passages.

 

[from scratch]

For sure Scratch, God leaves each and every last one of us to choose our own way, either His Way to get through them pearly Gates or the Destroyers way to perdition, it is our call and we can only blame self.

God has not predestined any to Hell.

Are you offering a call to obedience of the law as issued at Sinai for salvation?

 

[from scratch]

It becomes difficult to reconcile that claim with the rest of your post. You're also unwilling to extend the same liberty you claim to have to others who share in God's redemption.

I'm not among those who claim that the Mosaic covenant Law changed in essence, seeing that Hebrews 7:12 suggests a change in location (or, jurisdiction) as the Greek metatithēmi is used to declare a 'change' in the Law according to Hebrews 7:12, consistent with the context. See the Blue Letter Bible for how this same term is used in other passages.

You could also follow on one more verse to v.20 in this same passage, and see that the righteousness the Pharisees and scribes appealed to from the Law isn't sufficient to gain eternal life. The fulfillment of the Law Jesus promised in His statement above is found in His propitiation, completing the demands of the Law in His atonement. That fulfillment demands a sacrifice without spot or blemish, which you and I aren't qualified to perform.

Yeah they never quote or refer to this verse for some strange reason.

This follows the fallacy that the attributes of the Creator equal the attributes of the Law. God retained mercy to Himself. On the other hand, the Law demands atonement for reconciliation. For fun, take a look at Romans 11:32 in its context: For God has committed them all to disobedience, that He might have mercy on all.

Unrelated to the content. This doesn't form an argument worth consideration.

And you didn't even ask about what mistranslation I might have been referring to, showing no interest in the point I raised. But since you brought up your exhaustive knowledge of the Word of Hashem, tell me what Jesus was teaching Peter about limited jurisdiction from this passage found in Matthew 17:

24 When they had come to Capernaum, those who received the temple tax came to Peter and said, “Does your Teacher not pay the temple tax?”
25 He said, “Yes.”
And when he had come into the house, Jesus anticipated him, saying, “What do you think, Simon? From whom do the kings of the earth take customs or taxes, from their sons or from strangers?”
26 Peter said to Him, “From strangers.”
Jesus said to him, “Then the sons are free."​

Keep in mind the central message of the Gospel of God's adoption as His own children, no longer accounted as children of Israel or children of Gentile descent who were estranged apart from God during the tenure of the Law (see Ephesians 2:11-18).

Excelent point. The Father of the Christian is God.

 

[from scratch]

I will leave you to your opinions as I can see you are set in them. I am not in any and am a continual learner at my Lords feet. He talks to me continually by His Spirit of Truth and I am an intent listener to catch His every teachings.

Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

Two wonderful promises!

Well keep learning.

 

[Gibs]

Allow me to translate the tenor of your post: You aren't here to learn anything, and have replaced Hashem's Word with a subjective feeling. How is this different from Mormonism's burning bosom to determine their rendition of "truth"?

That plus sound-bite theology leaves you unable to respond to content provided to you.

You are not my guide in life, only Jesus Christ has that honor. I suggest you go to Him and apply to be His Student. He is the comforter and so the Spirit of Truth.

I don't respond to a lot of things people throw out, that is my call!

 

[VictorC]

You are not my guide in life, only Jesus Christ has that honor. I suggest you go to Him and apply to be His Student. He is the comforter and so the Spirit of Truth.

I don't respond to a lot of things people throw out, that is my call!

It was a simple question. Feel free to let me know when you're able to provide a coherent answer.

 

[from scratch]

You are not my guide in life, only Jesus Christ has that honor. I suggest you go to Him and apply to be His Student. He is the comforter and so the Spirit of Truth.

I don't respond to a lot of things people throw out, that is my call!

By the same token you're not our guide either.

 

[Gibs]

I will let you two fellows go and see if you can sell the old bridge out there in the desert.

I am not buying but you may be able to find one who will. Meanwhile Yah is telling all,

Eze 20:12 Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them

 

[Elder 111]

You have before you the opportunity to show the opposite of what I said. I won't hold my breath. And I not accusing you, nothing personal. I'll just show and prove my point. No one is in compliance with the law.

Is it that because most people breaks the speed limit at sometime does that mean that it is or should be abolished?
When God gave the ten commandments was it that it was kept by the patriarchs at that time?
I ask these questions because it seems that because the law is not perfectly kept that that is a reason to get rid of it or that it was gotten rid of because of that reason.
Explain!