Sabbath question from seeker

[ricker]

I struggled with that example from scripture for a while. What we have with that man is an example of presumptuous sin. God gives instruction on what someone who sins accidentally had to do for restitution, then God gives instruction on what to do to someone who sins knowingly. After that instruction is given we have the situation with the man being stoned for gathering sticks on the sabbath

I can't imagine that was the only time an Israelite was killed for breaking the Sabbath, just the only one mentioned. It was God's law to put to death those who broke it.

You're correct about intentional and unintentional sins. Only the unintentional ones were cleansed by the temple sacrifices.

 

[k4c]

It was God's law to put to death those who broke it.

It was God's Law but it was both God and man in agreement to the terms of the covenant.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

It was God's law to put to death those who broke it.

Still is... but not in the way you might think. It is sin that kills a man, not God. Transgression of the Law is sin, therefore subject to death, because sin (or those stained by it) cannot abide in the presence of God. We need to be cleansed from it through the Grace of Jesus, wrapped in His righteousness.

 

[k4c]

Still is... but not in the way you might think. It is sin that kills a man, not God. Transgression of the Law is sin, therefore subject to death, because sin (or those stained by it) cannot abide in the presence of God. We need to be cleansed from it through the Grace of Jesus, wrapped in His righteousness.

You are such a gifted Bible teacher...

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

You are such a gifted Bible teacher...

Praise be to God for His wisdom...

I am the lowly vessel, the contents are from a higher source supplier...

 

[k4c]

Praise be to God for His wisdom...

I am the lowly vessel, the contents are from a higher source supplier...

A prophet is only without honor by those who are deaf and blinded by his past. In other words, those who know where he came from.

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

A prophet is only without honor by those who are deaf and blinded by his past. In other words, those who know where he came from.

Good thing y'all don't know my past...

I have great empathy for Pauls declaration of being the chief sinner...

Praise God for His patience, mercy and grace.

 

[k4c]

Good thing y'all don't know my past...

I have great empathy for Pauls declaration of being the chief sinner...

Praise God for His patience, mercy and grace.

He who is without sin, let him cast the first stone.

 

[ricker]

Still is... but not in the way you might think. It is sin that kills a man, not God. Transgression of the Law is sin, therefore subject to death, because sin (or those stained by it) cannot abide in the presence of God. We need to be cleansed from it through the Grace of Jesus, wrapped in His righteousness.

I basically agree with your statement here. A couple points.
First of all transgression of the law is indeed a sin for those under it, but there is also sin outside the law.

Secondly we have been cleansed from our sins through Jesus if we are truly believers. Your statement is true if targeted to unbelievers.

 

[Princessdi]

I am with K4C on this one! Teach, ECR!!!!

Still is... but not in the way you might think. It is sin that kills a man, not God. Transgression of the Law is sin, therefore subject to death, because sin (or those stained by it) cannot abide in the presence of God. We need to be cleansed from it through the Grace of Jesus, wrapped in His righteousness.

 

[k4c]

I am with K4C on this one! Teach, ECR!!!!

Thanks brother for the encouragement but the penalty for sin is a very interesting topic of discussion. Once you understand the difference between intrinsic and imposed consequences I think you will better understand God's character and the tough job God has in parenting His creation.

 

[ricker]

It was God's Law but it was both God and man in agreement to the terms of the covenant.

As in the ten commandments also.

 

[k4c]

As in the ten commandments also.

An MRI only show the tuna. It didn't cause it nor does it cure it.

 

[ricker]

An MRI only show the tuna. It didn't cause it nor does it cure it.

I am profoundly affected by your auspicious use of metaphor!

PS I love tuna!

 

[k4c]

I am profoundly affected by your auspicious use of metaphor!

PS I love tuna!

That's what happens when you reply from a cell phone...

Maybe I shoud have used fish finder instead of MRI...

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

An MRI only show the tumor. It didn't cause it nor does it cure it.

Great analogy!!

Btw, I like tuna too....

 

[k4c]

Great analogy!!

Btw, I like tuna too....

What's this? Are we becoming unified on something? Is it possible to start a denomination based on tuna because I like tuna too...

Wait a minute, I can already foresee a problem. We'll start this beautiful denomination based on tuna and within a few years there will be arguments on forums between the yellow fins and the blue fins. I think we had better just stick with Jesus.

 

[Princessdi]

K4C, please tell me you are not addressing me, Princessdi, as "brother"? LOL!!!! I believe you are answering onepost andjust clicked on mine by mistake......because the subesequent sentence does not apply to me either. LOL!!

Thanks brother for the encouragement but the penalty for sin is a very interesting topic of discussion. Once you understand the difference between intrinsic and imposed consequences I think you will better understand God's character and the tough job God has in parenting His creation.

 

[k4c]

K4C, please tell me you are not addressing me, Princessdi, as "brother"? LOL!!!! I believe you are answering onepost andjust clicked on mine by mistake......because the subesequent sentence does not apply to me either. LOL!!

Sorry about that...

 

[stinsonmarri]

tofu:​

Once again the problem is truth and your allegiance to the Father. I am going to shock many of my SDA believers with this little tidbit but the word ten was use incorrectly if you look at Strong Dictionary it really means to the tenth power. The reason is that every word out of the mouth of Yahweh is steadfast unless He commands otherwise. Read Ex 24:12 also in the NT you will never hear Yashua or any of the Apostles use the word ten! ​

Moving on once again it amazes me that people can set up holidays and take time off from their jobs and Christmas even the store closes. Yet when it comes to Elohim who made the heavens and the earth and declare it at creation what the seventh day was made for man have all the excuses in the world not to honor the Father's order- He rested from all of His work. We even worship on a different day that we can't keep holy even if we wanted to. You cannot as man make or keep a day holy because you are not the Most High. Oh yeah man tried but even liquor is now being sold on man so call day. We have no power to make a day holy get it!​

Man had disregarded His holy day not ours that He emphasized clearly not our pleasure or speak our words on His special day. Yet we make every excuse in the book that could and should have been done on one of the six days during the week that He gives us to do whatever. It is so sad that we cannot give the Creator one seventh of our time. The Jews had the same problem until after Nehemiah they became bigots. They put a partition between them and the Greeks in the Temple thinking they were better and they were not and Yahweh did not command this either. Then the priest put a burden on their own people about the Sabbath like you can't walk over seven miles and other ridiculous things like this! Yahweh's Sabbath is holy and we should be delighted to come and devoted this time to Them! May be we would get to understand the Bible better as well as get to know Them and treat our fellowman as we should! It is not always about church but you should come together and worship. But your body is the main temple that needs the Holy Spirit to clean out so Yashua can come spiritually to dwell. Worship throughout the day with things about the Creators and Creation and how to prepare to be ready when Yashua returns.​

You can't let your mail, or secular activities pause for just one day? Yet when man gives you a holiday we listen and jump to the occasion without any excuse. All Yahweh Elohim ask is to give Him one day and just spent time with Him and we just can't seem to do it.​

Finally if you make it to Heaven He clearly states that one Sabbath to another and one new moon to another all will worship Him there. So if your plans to go where the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit presides you will keep the Seventh Day Sabbath on the Father's term or you will not be there end of story!​

Blessings​

stinsonmarri