Doing good (either for your neighbour or an animal in distress) is complying with the Sabbath... the other examples you gave are not in keeping with the Law.
It's simple... it's all about love.
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Sabbath question from seeker
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Doing good (either for your neighbour or an animal in distress) is complying with the Sabbath... the other examples you gave are not in keeping with the Law.
It's simple... it's all about love.
ECR,
God's rest from creating is of greater value than the works of his hands that formed the creation.
The forming of the creation is good.
God resting is better.
Joe
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Actually Jesus wasn't saying that they should, but rather pointed out their hypocrisy in the fact that they would save personal property and not consider it a sin, but condemned Jesus for healing a man. It's really not about perceived necessity, but about what is truly lawful. I couldn't find any reason to dishonor my parents or take God's name in vain. I could however save a life, or assist in relieving someone of their pain on the sabbath. That is in keeping with God's word. Think of it like this, the priest had to work on the sabbath in keeping with their duties, thus we know that actually working isn't the problem, but the type of work being conducted.
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Byfaithalone1
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It's a good question. Thanks! I've always had a similar, unanswered question.
Q: Should we use the same thought process often applied to the fourth commandment to the other nine? For example, the fourth commandment indicates that a certain activity (i.e. work) is perfectly acceptable six out of seven days. Would we say that killing, stealing or adultery is perfectly acceptable six out of seven days? What is the criteria for a "ceremonial law?"
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Do you guys think it's reasonable to particpate in a sport/combat sport on a Saturday? Note this is not work, I do not get paid for it...
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k4c
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Jesus asked a question. "Is it good to do evil or good, take life or save life on the Sabbath?" I believe some sports are inappropriate no matter which day of the week it is such as Ultimate Fighting. I believe anything based on love for God and love for man can be done on the Sabbath. This includes fun things that promote goodness and strengthen relationships. Things that may offend another's values or godly principles or things that, by their very nature, appear evil should be avoided.
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It's quite ambiguous though is it not? Some sports will be inappropriate to some but they can't really back it up with scripture e.t.c. By the way it's Boxing not UFC...
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Competitive sports are not in keeping with the Spirit of God... they promote an advesarial spirit, not one of love. Combat sports of today are just tamed down versions of the Roman gladiator sports...
Personally, I don't see God in any violent act, whether for sport or not. Look at the expressions of those that are watching these sports, do they have a look a peaceful, serene love or an angry, bloodlustful intensity?
Ask yourself this question... can you envision combat sports in Heaven?
Personally, I don't see God in any violent act, whether for sport or not. Look at the expressions of those that are watching these sports, do they have a look a peaceful, serene love or an angry, bloodlustful intensity?
Ask yourself this question... can you envision combat sports in Heaven?
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What kind of thought process are you talking about? Work is fine on the seventh day depending on what type of work you're engaged in. And the other commandments are prohibitions (or an admonition in the case of the 5th) forever. They're never ok. Working isn't a sin. However, when it comes to the sabbath, we're suppose to put our chores on hold and come to God. Interestingly enough, the Isrealites were admonished to protect the sabbath day when Moses reiterated the commandments in Deuteronomy.
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k4c
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Paul used the sport of boxing in one of his teachings. Some people might be offended by boxing and some may have no problem with it. Then we have take into account how the boxing is done. Is it done some Sabbath afternoon between you and a friend in your back yard as a form of exercise and fun or is it done in a ring at some arena where you pay to get in with a yelling and screaming audience with maybe some side betting going on. I believe boxing for fun itself falls under the meat and wine principle. If it causes a weaker brother to stumble then don't do it in front of a weaker brother. As you draw closer to God and begin to understand the true meaning and purpose for the Sabbath your view on what you want to do on the Sabbath may change. Either way, God loves you and will bless you because that is just what God does. Just be open to the leading of the Spirit.
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ricker
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Now working on the Sabbath sometimes (at a person's discretion, I suppose) isn't a sin? What does God say in the commandments, in the law? I don't see any qualifications here..........
Ex 20 10 but the seventh day is a sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns.
Ex 3115 For six days work is to be done, but the seventh day is a day of sabbath rest, holy to the LORD. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day is to be put to death.
Deut 5 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 14 but the seventh day is a sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work
If you think you have to keep the commandments and law, keep them! Every letter and jot and tittle!
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This is again a misunderstanding.
You might be interested in reading a response to that assertion here [I hope anyone does not mind me referencing material, if anyone does it can still be explained without.]:
Adventist Defense League
Also consider that they were under a Theocracy. Please also consider that in the Commandment, being the 4th Commandment, there is no mention of stoning. Yet for those who do continue to transgress the Commandments of God, the penalty is still death, is it not? The wages of sin are...The second death. Will they [unrighteous] not receive a fiery stoning from God out of Heaven [Rev 20]?
Please follow with me:
Christ Jesus did delineate between the common, profane work from that which is Holy and Good [morally good].
But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work. John 5:17
Jesus went about doing good upon the Sabbath and untying the restrictions of the pharisees, yet we do not see Jesus in the Carpenters shop cleaning tools, earning a living.
There is that which is in harmony with the 4th Commandment and Sabbath day, and there is that which is not.
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Ricker, remember this from Christ:
MAtthew 12:5 Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?
Remember this also:
John 5:16, 17 - And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day.But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.
The sabbath was never suppose to be a burden. The priests continued doing their work in the temple even on the sabbath day. Christ went to and fro healing the sick and tending to the broken hearted on the sabbath day. Ministering to others is work, and I'm certain you would agree with that if you're engaged in any form or ministry at your church.
What you're trying to do with the 4th commandment is the exact same thing the Pharisees did do, and that's take it out of it's proper place and cause it to be a burden upon the people. Christ wasn't making an exception to the law, or indicating that the 4th commandment no longer had any jurisdiction. He was living out the law and holding to it the way the people were suppose to be.
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ricker
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I'm not saying we should kill people for disobeying the Sabbath. I'm just saying there seems to be no wiggle room when it comes to working on the Sabbath according to the ten commandments and law.
Who decides what is in harmony with the 4th commandment and what is not? The commandment says don't do any work. Doing good may be acceptable, but according to the commandment it better not be in the form of work.
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I struggled with that example from scripture for a while. What we have with that man is an example of presumptuous sin. God gives instruction on what someone who sins accidentally had to do for restitution, then God gives instruction on what to do to someone who sins knowingly. After that instruction is given we have the situation with the man being stoned for gathering sticks on the sabbath
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Scripture [the Word of God] and the Holy Spirit [He speaks what He hears] decide and it is they that leads us into all Truth and brings conviction of sin [transgression of the Law], righteousness [all of which the Character of God is, and His Law and Commandents are] and judgment [the Word that He has spoken, by which we are judged].
Jesus has given us an example. There are also other places in scripture to look as well.
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