Sabbath question from seeker

[k4c]

No, the OT never calls the Sabbath the "Lord's Day". (or the NT). Why do you write such things? Do you think deception actually helps?

If you steal or not is between you and God. All sins can be forgiven. You know quite well my position is that the Sabbath was a ceremonial sign between God and Israel as I believe expressly explained in the Bible. If you don't believe that I can accept it, but don't try to say I think immorality is OK.

I know you guys don't like answering questions that you don't have answers for but I just have to ask it again.

Can you show me where Jesus or the Apostles called the first day, the Lord's day?

I know you said the church after Jesus and the Apostles called Sunday the Lord's day and now keep the first day holy instead of the seventh day. The problem is that I follow Jesus and what the Apostles wrote and not the church. The church has said and done alot of things outside of God's will such as ordaining practicing homosexuals and marrying gay and lesbians. How about praying to and using statues and images as a form of worship. Did you think the church would just stop at changing the Sabbath day?

The Bible is so true when it says the saints will need endurance in keeping the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus in these last days.

 

[ricker]

I know you guys don't like answering questions that you don't have answers for but I just have to ask it again.

Can you show me where Jesus or the Apostles called the first day, the Lord's day?

I know you said the church after Jesus and the Apostles called Sunday the Lord's day and now keep the first day holy instead of the seventh day. The problem is that I follow Jesus and what the Apostles wrote and not the church. The church has said and done alot of things outside of God's will such as ordaining practicing homosexuals and marrying gay and lesbians. How about praying to and using statues and images as a form of worship. Did you think the church would just stop at changing the Sabbath day?

The Bible is so true when it says the saints will need endurance in keeping the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus in these last days.

John the Relvelator called a day the Lord's day, but we are left to guess if his phrase meant the first day of the week like others that used the phrase did.

Other than that we aren't told that the Apostles called the first day of the week the Lord's day, only that they were called to gather together money on it.

The point is that the Sabbath was never given to anyone besides the nation of Israel and we are not under their sign. The early church began to gather on the first day of the week to commemorate Christ's coming out of the tomb, and I'm sure to distinguish themselves from the Jews. When exactly this began to take place does not really matter as the fact is we are free to gather and worship any and every day.

I will leave you the last word. God bless!

 

[EastCoastRemnant]

John the Relvelator called a day the Lord's day, but we are left to guess if his phrase meant the first day of the week like others that used the phrase did.

Other than that we aren't told that the Apostles called the first day of the week the Lord's day, only that they were called to gather together money on it.

The point is that the Sabbath was never given to anyone besides the nation of Israel and we are not under their sign. The early church began to gather on the first day of the week to commemorate Christ's coming out of the tomb, and I'm sure to distinguish themselves from the Jews. When exactly this began to take place does not really matter as the fact is we are free to gather and worship any and every day.

I will leave you the last word. God bless!

If God didn't specifically change the day of worship, then aren't we (Sunday keepers) following the traditions of men?

 

[ricker]

If God didn't specifically change the day of worship, then aren't we (Sunday keepers) following the traditions of men?

I resent the term "Sunday keepers". I know very few of them in mainstream Protestant circles. I happen to work every Sunday afternoon and have Sat. off.

God didn't give the weekly seventh day rest to anyone but Israel. If there was a change in the law to include Gentiles, it isn't documented.

Christian tradition is maybe different than the "traditions of men". Sabbath School, Wed. night prayer services, meeeting for church in the morning (as opposed to the afternoon), church buildings, baby dedications, pews, general conferences, etc, etc, are all Christian/church traditions. That doesn't make them bad.

When you say "day of worship" are you referencing the 4th commandment? It says they were to rest, not anything about meeting as a church body to worship God.

 

[k4c]

ricker;John the Relvelator called a day the Lord's day, but we are left to guess if his phrase meant the first day of the week like others that used the phrase did.

You can guess the will of God if you want but I would rather go by what He has plainly said to us.

Let's say God blessed day 5 and all throughout the OT God spoke of day 5 as being His day. Then we come to the NT where we have Jesus and the Apostles gathering every day 5. We have Jesus teaching us how to celebrate day 5. Jesus even calls Himself Lord of day 5. Jesus even tells of a terrible incident that was to take place fourty years after His resurrection and tells us to pray that we wouldn't have to flee during day 5. After Jesus' crusification, His followers rested on day 5 just as stated in the commandment. John tells us how he was in the spirit on the Lord's day and you choose to guess he was referring to day 3 but even a blind guess would have to say day 5 is the Lord's day. This is what I call, delusion...

Delusion
Webster's Dictionary
A strong belief that is maintained despite indisputable evidence to the contrary.​

Now you say the Bible never calls the seventh day, the Lord's day. Let's test your belief with what the Bible really says.

Exodus 16:25-26 Then Moses said, "Eat that today, for today is a Sabbath to the Lord; today you will not find it in the field. "Six days you shall gather it, but on the seventh day, which is the Sabbath, there will be none.''

The seventh day...

Exodus 20:8-10 "Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates.

The seventh day...

Exodus 31:13 "Speak also to the children of Israel, saying: `Surely My Sabbath you shall keep'.

The seventh day...

Exodus 35:2 Work must be done for six days, but the seventh must be a holy day for you, a day of complete rest, in honour of Yahweh. Anyone who does any work on that day will be put to death.

The seventh day...

Leviticus 19:3 `Every one of you shall revere his mother and his father, and keep My Sabbath: I am the Lord your God.

The seventh day...

Leviticus 19:30 `You shall keep My Sabbath and reverence My sanctuary: I am the Lord.

The seventh day...

Leviticus 23:3 You will work for six days, but the seventh will be a day of complete rest, a day for the sacred assembly on which you do no work at all. Wherever you live, this is a Sabbath for Yahweh.

The seventh day...

Leviticus 26:2 You shall keep My Sabbath and reverence My sanctuary: I am the Lord.

The seventh day...

Nehemiah 9:14 You made known to them Your holy Sabbath, and commanded them precepts, statutes and laws, by the hand of Moses Your servant.

The seventh day...

Isaiah 58:13 "If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath, from doing your pleasure on My holy day, and call the Sabbath a delight, the holy day of the Lord honorable, and shall honor Him, not doing your own ways, nor finding your own pleasure, nor speaking your own words.

The seventh day...

Ezekiel 20:12 "Moreover I also gave them My Sabbath, to be a sign between them and Me, that they might know that I am the Lord who sanctifies them.

The seventh day...

Ezekiel 20:19-20 `I am the Lord your God: Walk in My statutes, keep My judgments, and do them; `hallow My Sabbath, and they will be a sign between Me and you, that you may know that I am the Lord your God.'

The seventh day...

Ezekiel 22:8 "You have despised My holy things and profaned My Sabbath.

The seventh day...

Ezekiel 22:26 "Her priests have violated My law and profaned My holy things; they have not distinguished between the holy and unholy, nor have they made known the difference between the unclean and the clean; and they have hidden their eyes from My Sabbath, so that I am profaned among them.

The seventh day...

Ezekiel 23:38 "Moreover they have done this to Me: They have defiled My sanctuary on the same day and profaned My Sabbath.

The seventh day...

Ezekiel 44:24 "In controversy they shall stand as judges, and judge it according to My judgments. They shall keep My laws and My statutes in all My appointed meetings, and they shall hallow My Sabbath

The seventh day...

Matthew 12:12 "Of how much more value then is a man than a sheep? Therefore it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath.''

The seventh day...
Matthew 24:20 "And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath.

The seventh day...
Mark 2:27 And He said to them, "The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath.

The seventh day...
Luke 6:9 Then Jesus said to them, "I will ask you one thing: Is it lawful on the Sabbath to do good or to do evil, to save life or to destroy it?''

The seventh day...
Luke 23:56 Then they returned and prepared spices and fragrant oils. And they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment.

The seventh day...

Luke 4:16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and stood up for to read.

The seventh day...

Acts 17:2 Then Paul, as his custom was, went in to them, and for three Sabbaths reasoned with them from the Scriptures,

The seventh day...
Acts 18:4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded both Jews and Greeks.

The seventh day...

Notice Paul was there for a year and a half before leaving for his next journey and he was gathering every Sabbath during this time.

Acts 18:11 And he continued there a year and six months, teaching the word of God among them.

That's a lot of Sabbaths.
Matthew 12:8 For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath."

The seventh day...

Revelation 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's Day, and I heard behind me a loud voice, as of a trumpet,

I guess we are left to guess that the first day is The Lord's day.

Other than that we aren't told that the Apostles called the first day of the week the Lord's day, only that they were called to gather together money on it.

1 Corinthians 16:2 Upon the first day of the week let each one of you lay by him in store, as he may prosper, that no collections be made when I come.

Some people use this verse to say a church offering was taken on the first day so they must have been in church but even with a quick look at this verse we will see this is not what Paul was saying. Paul was going away but when he returned he was going to take some supplies to the saints in Jerusalem. The important words in this verse are the words, 'Lay by him in store'. People interpret these words to mean a church offering but this is not so. These words, 'Lay by him in store' are referring to getting things together from home such as water, food, livestock or whatever else the suffering saints in Jerusalem would need. Some Bible translations make it clearer than others.

Darby Bible Translation​

1 Corinthians 16:2 On the first of the week let each of you put by at home, laying up in whatever degree he may have prospered, that there may be no collections when I come.

Weymouth New Testament​

1 Corinthians 16:2 On the first day of every week let each of you put on one side and store up at his home whatever gain has been granted to him; so that whenever I come, there may then be no collections going on.

International Standard Version​

1 Corinthians 16:2 After the Sabbath ends, each of you should set aside and save something from your surplus in proportion to what you have, so that no collections will have to be made when I arrive.

Paul knew how getting all this stuff together from their homes and barns would be labor intensive and time consuming so he specifically tells them to do it on the first day, rather than, on the Sabbath day.

The point is that the Sabbath was never given to anyone besides the nation of Israel and we are not under their sign.

Isaiah 56:2 Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who holds it fast, who keeps the Sabbath, not profaning it, and keeps his hand from doing any evil."

Mark 2:27 And He said to them, "The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath.

The seventh day...

Isaiah 56:6-8 As for the Gentiles, the outsiders who join the people of the Lord and serve him and love his name, and are his servants and don't desecrate the Sabbath, and have accepted his covenant and promises, I will bring them also to my holy mountain of Jerusalem, and make them full of joy within my House of Prayer.I will accept their sacrifices and offerings, for my Temple shall be called "A House of Prayer for All People''! For the Lord God who brings back the outcasts of Israel says, I will bring others too besides my people Israel.

The early church began to gather on the first day of the week to commemorate Christ's coming out of the tomb,

Chapter and verse please...

and I'm sure to distinguish themselves from the Jews. When exactly this began to take place does not really matter as the fact is we are free to gather and worship any and every day.

God gave the Law to the Jews as a standard of godly love for the world, which included such things as being sinful as adultery, murder, stealing and so on. Shall we commit these as well so we won't be mistaken for God's people?

The church today are marrying homosexuals and ordaining gay and lesbian ministers. Is this too in conformity with not associating with God's people?

Remember....Delusion
Webster's Dictionary
A strong belief that is maintained despite indisputable evidence to the contrary.​

2 Thessalonians 2:9-11 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie,​

Official quote from The Catholic Catechism
Question - Which is the Sabbath day?
Answer - “Saturday is the Sabbath day.”
Question - “Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?”​

Answer – “We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church, in the Council of Laodicea (A.D. 364), transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday." Peter Geiermann, C.S.S.R., The Convert's Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, p. 50, 3rd edition, 1957.​

Official Statement of the Catholic church ​

“Sunday is founded, not of scripture, but on tradition, and is distinctly a Catholic institution. As there is no scripture for the transfer of the day of rest from the last to the first day of the week Protestants ought to keep their Sabbath on Saturday and thus leave Catholics in full possession of Sunday.” Catholic Record, September 17, 1893.​

Official Statement of the Catholic church ​

“Sunday is our mark or authority, the church is above the Bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact." Catholic Record of London, Ontario, September 1, 1923”..

 

[k4c]

ricker;I resent the term "Sunday keepers". I know very few of them in mainstream Protestant circles. I happen to work every Sunday afternoon and have Sat. off.

Just having Saturday off is not keeping the Sabbath because the Sabbath is first kept and understood in the heart of the one who loves God.

God didn't give the weekly seventh day rest to anyone but Israel. If there was a change in the law to include Gentiles, it isn't documented.

Isaiah 56:2 Blessed is the man who does this, and the son of man who holds it fast, who keeps the Sabbath, not profaning it, and keeps his hand from doing any evil."

Keeping the Sabbath and not doing evil is for all mankind.

Mark 2:27 And He said to them, "The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath.

By the way, the Sabbath here is the seventh day...

Isaiah 56:6-8 As for the Gentiles, the outsiders who join the people of the Lord and serve him and love his name, and are his servants and don't desecrate the Sabbath, and have accepted his covenant and promises, I will bring them also to my holy mountain of Jerusalem, and make them full of joy within my House of Prayer.I will accept their sacrifices and offerings, for my Temple shall be called "A House of Prayer for All People''! For the Lord God who brings back the outcasts of Israel says, I will bring others too besides my people Israel.

Christian tradition is maybe different than the "traditions of men". Sabbath School, Wed. night prayer services, meeeting for church in the morning (as opposed to the afternoon), church buildings, baby dedications, pews, general conferences, etc, etc, are all Christian/church traditions. That doesn't make them bad.

Traditions of men are commadments ordained by man that have taken place of commandments ordined by God.

Mark 7:7-8 And in vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.' Ye leave the commandment of God, and hold fast the tradition of men.

Keeping the seventh day holy is a commandment of God, Wednesday night Bible study is not so you may or may not want to attend Bible study.

When you say "day of worship" are you referencing the 4th commandment? It says they were to rest, not anything about meeting as a church body to worship God.

Leviticus 23:3 You will work for six days, but the seventh will be a day of complete rest, a day for the sacred assembly on which you do no work at all. Wherever you live, this is a Sabbath for Yahweh.

Remember....Delusion
Webster's Dictionary
A strong belief that is maintained despite indisputable evidence to the contrary.​

2 Thessalonians 2:9-11 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie,​

Official quote from The Catholic Catechism
Question - Which is the Sabbath day?
Answer - “Saturday is the Sabbath day.”
Question - “Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?”​

Answer – “We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church, in the Council of Laodicea (A.D. 364), transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday." Peter Geiermann, C.S.S.R., The Convert's Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, p. 50, 3rd edition, 1957.​

Official Statement of the Catholic church ​

“Sunday is founded, not of scripture, but on tradition, and is distinctly a Catholic institution. As there is no scripture for the transfer of the day of rest from the last to the first day of the week Protestants ought to keep their Sabbath on Saturday and thus leave Catholics in full possession of Sunday.” Catholic Record, September 17, 1893.
​

Official Statement of the Catholic church ​

“Sunday is our mark or authority, the church is above the Bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact." Catholic Record of London, Ontario, September 1, 1923”..

 

[Stryder06]

If there was a change in the law to include Gentiles, it isn't documented.

Check Isa 56

 

[Byfaithalone1]

Check Isa 56

Does Isaiah 56 suggest that God transferred all sabbaths (plural) to Gentiles, or only 1 of them?

Does Isaiah 56 suggest that God transferred the entire old covenant . . . with all its laws . . . to Gentiles?

Does Isaiah 56 suggest that God transferred animal sacrifices to Gentiles?

1 Thus says the LORD,
“Preserve justice and do righteousness,
For My salvation is about to come
And My righteousness to be revealed.
2 “How blessed is the man who does this,
And the son of man who takes hold of it;
Who keeps from profaning the sabbath,
And keeps his hand from doing any evil.”
3 Let not the foreigner who has joined himself to the LORD say,
“The LORD will surely separate me from His people.”
Nor let the eunuch say, “Behold, I am a dry tree.”

4 For thus says the LORD,
“To the eunuchs who keep My sabbaths,
And choose what pleases Me,
And hold fast My covenant,
5 To them I will give in My house and within My walls a memorial,
And a name better than that of sons and daughters;
I will give them an everlasting name which will not be cut off.
6 “Also the foreigners who join themselves to the LORD,
To minister to Him, and to love the name of the LORD,
To be His servants, every one who keeps from profaning the sabbath
And holds fast My covenant;
7 Even those I will bring to My holy mountain
And make them joyful in My house of prayer.
Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices will be acceptable on My altar;
For My house will be called a house of prayer for all the peoples.”
8 The Lord GOD, who gathers the dispersed of Israel, declares,
“Yet others I will gather to them, to those already gathered.” 9 All you beasts of the field,
All you beasts in the forest,
Come to eat.
10 His watchmen are blind,
All of them know nothing.
All of them are mute dogs unable to bark,
Dreamers lying down, who love to slumber;
11 And the dogs are greedy, they are not satisfied.
And they are shepherds who have no understanding;
They have all turned to their own way,
Each one to his unjust gain, to the last one.
12 “Come,” they say, “let us get wine, and let us drink heavily of strong drink;
And tomorrow will be like today, only more so.”
​

BFA

 

[Byfaithalone1]

I resent the term "Sunday keepers".

I'm not a fan of the term either. It presupposes beliefs that . . . in most instances . . . aren't actually held.

I know very few of them in mainstream Protestant circles.

I've had the same experience.

It says they were to rest, not anything about meeting as a church body to worship God.

An important . . . and often forgotten . . . point to remember.

BFA

 

[mandelduke]

I got an idea why don’t you guys worship God every day like me, and the Sabbath won’t matter?

 

[k4c]

I got an idea why don’t you guys worship God every day like me, and the Sabbath won’t matter?

I worship God everyday.

But do you understand what true worship is?

Matthew 15:9 In vain they worship Me, You teach as doctrines the commandments of men.

Mark 7:7-8 In vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.' You leave the commandment of God, and hold fast the tradition of men.

Official quote from The Catholic Catechism
Question - Which is the Sabbath day?
Answer - “Saturday is the Sabbath day.”
Question - “Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?”​

Answer – “We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church, in the Council of Laodicea (A.D. 364), transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday." Peter Geiermann, C.S.S.R., The Convert's Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, p. 50, 3rd edition, 1957.​

Official Statement of the Catholic church ​

“Sunday is founded, not of scripture, but on tradition, and is distinctly a Catholic institution. As there is no scripture for the transfer of the day of rest from the last to the first day of the week Protestants ought to keep their Sabbath on Saturday and thus leave Catholics in full possession of Sunday.” Catholic Record, September 17, 1893.​

Official Statement of the Catholic church ​

“Sunday is our mark or authority, the church is above the Bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact." Catholic Record of London, Ontario, September 1, 1923”.

Exodus 20:8-11"Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

Matthew 7:21-23 "Not everyone who says to Me, `Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. "Many will say to Me in that day, `Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?' "And then I will declare to them, `I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'

The foundation of true worship is personally knowing God and obeying Him through love.

John 14:15 "If you love Me, keep My commandments".

Titus 1:16 They profess to know God, but in works they deny Him, being abominable, disobedient, and disqualified for every good work.

Is your daily worship in vain or worthless because you choose to obey man, as a result, you disobey God.

Can people live a life of adultery and murder and say they are worshiping God?

Can people live a practicing homosexual and say they are worshiping God?

Can a pastor marry gay and lesbians and say he is doing God's will?

Or is all their worship vain and worthless?

There is a truth to know and love.

2 Thessalonians 2:10 with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

My attitude is as the apostles...Acts 5:29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said: "We ought to obey God rather than men.

I understand how sometimes our behavior needs time to catch up to our salvation but if people refuse to hear the truth and grow, how can it happen?

 

[Byfaithalone1]

Matthew 15:9 In vain they worship Me, You teach as doctrines the commandments of men.

Mark 7:7-8 In vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.' You leave the commandment of God, and hold fast the tradition of men.

These are fascinating passages. As we think about these passages, could we include human commands such as "wade don't swim."

BFA

 

[Joe67]

Many believe in the form of sabbath keeping, both SdA and the RCC are zealous concerning sabbath (Saturday and/or Sunday), as well as some other groups.

Excessive zeal for the form of righteousness leaves the imagination empty and thereby vain in regard to the eternal purpose of God, which he purposed in his grace in Jesus Christ, before the world began.

Form is useful for the beginning of the worship of the Lord. Purpose is necessary to come to maturity in regard to the will of God.

Between form and purpose there is a youthful state, wherein we gain the victory over the wicked one, but we have not yet attained unto the fatherhood and the knowledge of him who is from the beginning.

Childhood and form with the forgiveness of our sins and our knowing the Father is a good beginning. Let us not trample upon this for the circumcised or the uncircumcised.

Joe

 

[k4c]

These are fascinating passages. As we think about these passages, could we include human commands such as "wade don't swim."

BFA

What does Jesus say?

Mark 3:4 Jesus said to them, "Is it lawful on the Sabbath to do good or to do evil, to save life or to kill?''

The Jews added over 600 commands in order that they didn't violated the others but in doing so they missed the forest because of the trees.

The idea of ceasing from labor on the Sabbath day is so that we can enjoy the day that God had blessed.

Do you get mad when you have to work on Thanksgiving or Christmas? Why is that? It's Because you will miss out on the fellowship, food and fun on those special days.

God protected the Sabbath day by Law for this very reason. If your unblieving boss forces you to work on the Sabbath day he is breaking God's Law and will one day have to give an accound to God. This is not so with any other day of the week because God says, "Six days is for labor but the seventh day is holy unto God".

Here is how we are to celebrate a holy day unto the Lord.

Nehemiah 8:10 Then he said to them, "Go your way, eat the fat, drink the sweet, and send portions to those for whom nothing is prepared; for this day is holy to our Lord. Do not sorrow, for the joy of the Lord is your strength.''

 

[Princessdi]

Ok?! 'cuz that one still kills me.....

These are fascinating passages. As we think about these passages, could we include human commands such as "wade don't swim."

BFA

 

[Joe67]

1 Tim 5:6
6 But she that liveth in pleasure is dead while she liveth. KJV

Rom 7:2-4
2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth;but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.

4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God. KJV

In the service of the Lord our God, we are first baptized into Moses. Then Moses' authority must die/decrease that we might be married to the risen Jesus, that he might increase.

Some think they can be married to the risen Jesus first. They think they can by-pass Moses and/or the covenant given to the nations. They see their marriage to Jesus as something they can choose or reject, the way the Athenian Greeks thought. They do not see their marriage to Jesus as a service to him. They do not see his service as yoke or a burden that he gives in bearing spiritual fruit through them as members of his body in the doing of his will and fulfilling his glory. They do not understand that he has taken captives captive when he apprehended them. They do not see that they have been apprehended by Jesus Christ. They are not given gifts.

Phil 3:12
12 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus. KJV

Joe

 

[k4c]

1 Tim 5:6
6 But she that liveth in pleasure is dead while she liveth. KJV

Rom 7:2-4
2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth;but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.

4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God. KJV

In the service of the Lord our God, we are first baptized into Moses. Then Moses' authority must die/decrease that we might be married to the risen Jesus, that he might increase.

Some think they can be married to the risen Jesus first. They think they can by-pass Moses and/or the covenant given to the nations. They see their marriage to Jesus as something they can choose or reject, the way the Athenian Greeks thought. They do not see their marriage to Jesus as a service to him. They do not see his service as yoke or a burden that he gives in bearing spiritual fruit through them as members of his body in the doing of his will and fulfilling his glory. They do not understand that he has taken captives captive when he apprehended them. They do not see that they have been apprehended by Jesus Christ. They are not given gifts.

Phil 3:12
12 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus. KJV

Joe

Thank God we have been delvered from the curse of the Law and married to Christ because the Law says we must stone Law breakers. But does this mean we can continue in sin? Certainly not...Shall we sin so that grace may abound? Certainly not...

Praise God we are no longer under the Law's condemning power. But there is another side of the Law that you've conveniently overlooked. The side that defines godly love, which is the side that we delight in.

Romans 13:8-10 Owe no one anything except to love one another, for he who loves another has fulfilled the law. For the commandments, "You shall not commit adultery,'' "You shall not murder,'' "You shall not steal,'' "You shall not bear false witness,'' "You shall not covet,'' and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself.'' Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

 

[Joe67]

Thank God we have been delvered from the curse of the Law and married to Christ because the Law says we must stone Law breakers. But does this mean we can continue in sin? Certainly not...Shall we sin so that grace may abound? Certainly not...

Praise God we are no longer under the Law's condemning power. But there is another side of the Law that you've conveniently overlooked. The side that defines godly love, which is the side that we delight in.

Romans 13:8-10 Owe no one anything except to love one another, for he who loves another has fulfilled the law. For the commandments, "You shall not commit adultery,'' "You shall not murder,'' "You shall not steal,'' "You shall not bear false witness,'' "You shall not covet,'' and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself.'' Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

k4c,

Then let us follow after the perfection of the law.

James 4:11-12
11 Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge.

12 There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another? KJV

Joe

 

[k4c]

k4c,

Then let us follow after the perfection of the law.

James 4:11-12
11 Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge.

12 There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another? KJV

Joe

I have always found it fascinating how people can say you're judging them whenever you speak of obedience through love. I love it and am blessed when someone talks to me about God's Law. How is it that you feel judged or condemned? Neither I nor God is judging or condemning you. Is your response from me talking about God's law coming from Satan or maybe a guilty conscience? If so, look to the cross and not to doing alway with God's law.

 

[mandelduke]

I worship God everyday.

But do you understand what true worship is?

Matthew 15:9 In vain they worship Me, You teach as doctrines the commandments of men.

Mark 7:7-8 In vain they worship Me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.' You leave the commandment of God, and hold fast the tradition of men.

Official quote from The Catholic Catechism
Question - Which is the Sabbath day?
Answer - “Saturday is the Sabbath day.”
Question - “Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?”​

Answer – “We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church, in the Council of Laodicea (A.D. 364), transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday." Peter Geiermann, C.S.S.R., The Convert's Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, p. 50, 3rd edition, 1957.​

Official Statement of the Catholic church ​

“Sunday is founded, not of scripture, but on tradition, and is distinctly a Catholic institution. As there is no scripture for the transfer of the day of rest from the last to the first day of the week Protestants ought to keep their Sabbath on Saturday and thus leave Catholics in full possession of Sunday.” Catholic Record, September 17, 1893.​

Official Statement of the Catholic church ​

“Sunday is our mark or authority, the church is above the Bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact." Catholic Record of London, Ontario, September 1, 1923”.

Exodus 20:8-11"Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

Matthew 7:21-23 "Not everyone who says to Me, `Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. "Many will say to Me in that day, `Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?' "And then I will declare to them, `I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'

The foundation of true worship is personally knowing God and obeying Him through love.

John 14:15 "If you love Me, keep My commandments".

Titus 1:16 They profess to know God, but in works they deny Him, being abominable, disobedient, and disqualified for every good work.

Is your daily worship in vain or worthless because you choose to obey man, as a result, you disobey God.

Can people live a life of adultery and murder and say they are worshiping God?

Can people live a practicing homosexual and say they are worshiping God?

Can a pastor marry gay and lesbians and say he is doing God's will?

Or is all their worship vain and worthless?

There is a truth to know and love.

2 Thessalonians 2:10 with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

My attitude is as the apostles...Acts 5:29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said: "We ought to obey God rather than men.

I understand how sometimes our behavior needs time to catch up to our salvation but if people refuse to hear the truth and grow, how can it happen?

Do I understand what true worship is, do you understand what a true relationship is? If God had a wallet and you opened it up you would see my picture. I have loved God for as long as I can remember, maybe that’s why he healed me from liver cancer, maybe that’s why I know his vorce.