Sabbath in Eden - Bible fact affirmed by both Sunday and Sabbath groups

[BobRyan]

Often in "pop culture" it is assumed that only Sabbath keeping groups like Seventh-day Adventists will admit to the Bible fact that the Ten Commandments (including the Sabbath commandment) were the moral law of God even as far back as Eden. (So then no "taking God's name in vain" for Adam and Eve).

But as it turns out - a great many denominations are on record as admitting to this detail.

I am glad these Sunday sources all affirm the Ten Commandments for Christians.

The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson


Of course the reason that Sabbath keeping groups accept the Bible detail of the Sabbath in Eden -- and for all mankind -- includes some of the obvious texts.

Mark 2:27 "the Sabbath was made for mankind and not mankind for the Sabbath" -- which speaks of the "making" of both mankind and the Sabbath.

Gen 2:1-3 - the making of Sabbath
Gen 1-2:3 the making of mankind and the Sabbath.
Thus the heavens and the earth were completed, and all their hosts. 2 By the seventh day God completed His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.


Ex 20:11 points make to that singular 7 day event for the making of the Sabbath.

Ex 20
11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

Is 66:23 "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall mankind come before Me to worship"
Is 56:6-8 - gentiles specifically singled out for Sabbath keeping

And of course both the Sunday and Sabbath groups agree that the New Covenant of Jer 31:31-33 "I will write My LAW on their heart" was made "with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah"
Just as the TEN commandments with their command "Do not take God's name in vain" was included in the moral law of God given to Israel.

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Could you quote this Baptist Confession of Faith and the Westminster Confession of Faith that you refer to? I don't think I have seen these particular documents.

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Baptist Confession of Faith -- sectn 19

Here is it in Spurgeon's exanded edition in th 19th century.
The Baptist Confession of Faith (1689)

19. The Law of God

1. God gave to Adam a law of universal obedience which was written in his heart, and He gave him very specific instruction about not eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. By this Adam and all his descendants were bound to personal, total, exact, and perpetual obedience, being promised life upon the fulfilling of the law, and threatened with death upon the breach of it. At the same time Adam was endued with power and ability to keep it.
   
   
   
2. The same law that was first written in the heart of man continued to be a perfect rule of righteousness after the Fall, and was delivered by God upon Mount Sinai in the ten commandments, and written in two tables, the first four containing our duty towards God, and the other six, our duty to man.
   
   
   
3. Besides this law, commonly called the moral law, God was pleased do give the people of Israel ceremonial laws containing several typical ordinances. These ordinances were partly about their worship, and in them Christ was prefigured along with His attributes and qualities, His actions, His sufferings and His benefits. These ordinances also gave instructions about different moral duties. All of these ceremonial laws were appointed only until the time of reformation, when Jesus Christ the true Messiah and the only lawgiver, Who was furnished with power from the Father for this end, cancelled them and took them away.
   
   
   
4. To the people of Israel He also gave sundry judicial laws which expired when they ceased to be a nation. These are not binding on anyone now by virtue of their being part of the laws of that nation, but their general equity continue to be applicable in modern times.
   
   
5. The moral law ever binds to obedience everyone, justified people as well as others, and not only out of regard for the matter contained in it, but also out of respect for the authority of God the Creator, Who gave the law. Nor does Christ in the Gospel dissolve this law in any way, but He considerably strengthens our obligation to obey it.
   
   
   
6. Although true believers are not under the law as a covenant of works, to be justified or condemned by it, yet it is of great use to them as well as to others, because as a rule of life it informs them of the will of God and their duty and directs and binds them to walk accordingly. It also reveals and exposes the sinful pollutions of their natures, hearts and lives, and using it for self-examination they may come to greater conviction of sin, greater humility and greater hatred of their sin. They will also gain a clearer sight of their need of Christ and the perfection of His own obedience. It is of further use to regenerate people to restrain their corruptions, because of the way in which it forbids sin. The threatenings of the law serve to show what their sins actually deserve, and what troubles may be expected in this life because of these sins even by regenerate people who are freed from the curse and undiminished rigours of the law. The promises connected with the law also show believers God's approval of obedience, and what blessings they may expect when the law is kept and obeyed, though blessing will not come to them because they have satisfied the law as a covenant of works. If a man does good and refrains from evil simply because the law encourages to the good and deters him from the evil, that is no evidence that he is under the law rather than under grace.
   
   
   
7. The aforementioned uses of the law are not contrary to the grace of the Gospel, but they sweetly comply with it, as the Spirit of Christ subdues and enables the will of man to do freely and cheerfully those things which the will of God, which is revealed in the law, requires to be done.

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Westminster Confession of Faith
Westminister Confession of Faith Chapter 19

Westminister Confession of Faith Chapter 19
Of the Law of God

1. God gave to Adam a law, as a covenant of works, by which he bound him, and all his posterity, to personal, entire, exact, and perpetual obedience; promised life upon the fulfilling, and threatened death upon the breach of it; and endued him with power and ability to keep it.
2. This law, after his fall, continued to be a perfect rule of righteousness; and, as such, was delivered by God upon Mount Sinai, in ten commandments, and written in two tables; the first four commandments containing our duty towards God; and the other six our duty to man.
3. Beside this law, commonly called moral, God was pleased to give to the people of Israel, as a church under age, ceremonial laws containing several typical ordinances; partly of worship, prefiguring Christ, his graces, actions, sufferings, and benefits; and partly holding forth diverse instructions of moral duties. All which ceremonial laws are now abrogated, under the New Testament.
4. To them also, as a body politic, he gave sundry judicial laws, which expired together with the state of that people, not obliging any other now, further than the general equity thereof may require.
5. Although true believers be not under the law as a covenant of works, to be thereby justified or condemned; yet is it of great use to them, as well as to others; in that, as a rule of life, informing them of the will of God and their duty, it directs and binds them to walk accordingly; discovering also the sinful pollutions of their nature, hearts, and lives; so as, examining themselves thereby, they may come to further conviction of, humiliation for, and hatred against sin, together with a clearer sight of the need they have of Christ, and the perfection of his obedience. It is likewise of use to the regenerate, to restrain their corruptions, in that it forbids sin; and the threatenings of it serve to show what even their sins deserve, and what afflictions in this life they may expect for them, although freed from the curse thereof threatened in the law. The promises of it, in like manner, show them God’s approbation of obedience, and what blessings they may expect upon the performance thereof, although not as due to them by the law as a covenant of works: so as a man’s doing good, and refraining from evil, because the law encourageth to the one, and deterreth from the other, is no evidence of his being under the law, and not under grace.
6. Neither are the forementioned uses of the law contrary to the grace of the gospel, but do sweetly comply with it; the Spirit of Christ subduing and enabling the will of man to do that freely and cheerfully which the will of God revealed in the law requires to be done.

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D.L. Moody insists that the Sabbath begins in Eden.
THE TEN COMMANDMENTS text by D. L. Moody

Moody says this in that sermon

"The Sabbath was binding in Eden, and it has been in force ever since. The fourth commandment begins with the word remember, showing that the Sabbath already existed when God wrote this law on the tables of stone at Sinai. How can men claim that this one commandment has been done away with when they will admit that the other nine are still binding?

I believe that the Sabbath question today is a vital one for the whole country. It is the burning question of the present time. If you give up the Sabbath the church goes; if you give up the church the home goes; and if the home goes the nation goes. That is the direction in which we are traveling.

The church of God is losing its power on account of so many people giving up the Sabbath, and using it to promote selfishness."

Both the "Baptist Confession of Faith" - sectn 19 and the "Westminster Confession of Faith" sectn 19 affirm the same point about the TEN Commandments as the moral law of God that is given in Eden.

The lack of depth in the accusations made in the post is reflected somewhat by this statement "Most Christian advocates of Sabbath observance are influenced by Ellen White" - as if all Christians who are not at war against God's 4th commandment -- take their doctrine from Ellen White when it comes to God's Sabbath Commandment.

That is such an extreme statement it is hard to overstate the level of its exaggeration.

 

[RobertM.]

Often in "pop culture" it is assumed that only Sabbath keeping groups like Seventh-day Adventists will admit to the Bible fact that the Ten Commandments (including the Sabbath commandment) were the moral law of God even as far back as Eden. (So then no "taking God's name in vain" for Adam and Eve).

But as it turns out - a great many denominations are on record as admitting to this detail.

I am glad these Sunday sources all affirm the Ten Commandments for Christians.

The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson




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Baptist Confession of Faith -- sectn 19

Here is it in Spurgeon's exanded edition in th 19th century.
The Baptist Confession of Faith (1689)

19. The Law of God

1. God gave to Adam a law of universal obedience which was written in his heart, and He gave him very specific instruction about not eating the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. By this Adam and all his descendants were bound to personal, total, exact, and perpetual obedience, being promised life upon the fulfilling of the law, and threatened with death upon the breach of it. At the same time Adam was endued with power and ability to keep it.
   
   
   
2. The same law that was first written in the heart of man continued to be a perfect rule of righteousness after the Fall, and was delivered by God upon Mount Sinai in the ten commandments, and written in two tables, the first four containing our duty towards God, and the other six, our duty to man.
   
   
   
3. Besides this law, commonly called the moral law, God was pleased do give the people of Israel ceremonial laws containing several typical ordinances. These ordinances were partly about their worship, and in them Christ was prefigured along with His attributes and qualities, His actions, His sufferings and His benefits. These ordinances also gave instructions about different moral duties. All of these ceremonial laws were appointed only until the time of reformation, when Jesus Christ the true Messiah and the only lawgiver, Who was furnished with power from the Father for this end, cancelled them and took them away.
   
   
   
4. To the people of Israel He also gave sundry judicial laws which expired when they ceased to be a nation. These are not binding on anyone now by virtue of their being part of the laws of that nation, but their general equity continue to be applicable in modern times.
   
   
5. The moral law ever binds to obedience everyone, justified people as well as others, and not only out of regard for the matter contained in it, but also out of respect for the authority of God the Creator, Who gave the law. Nor does Christ in the Gospel dissolve this law in any way, but He considerably strengthens our obligation to obey it.
   
   
   
6. Although true believers are not under the law as a covenant of works, to be justified or condemned by it, yet it is of great use to them as well as to others, because as a rule of life it informs them of the will of God and their duty and directs and binds them to walk accordingly. It also reveals and exposes the sinful pollutions of their natures, hearts and lives, and using it for self-examination they may come to greater conviction of sin, greater humility and greater hatred of their sin. They will also gain a clearer sight of their need of Christ and the perfection of His own obedience. It is of further use to regenerate people to restrain their corruptions, because of the way in which it forbids sin. The threatenings of the law serve to show what their sins actually deserve, and what troubles may be expected in this life because of these sins even by regenerate people who are freed from the curse and undiminished rigours of the law. The promises connected with the law also show believers God's approval of obedience, and what blessings they may expect when the law is kept and obeyed, though blessing will not come to them because they have satisfied the law as a covenant of works. If a man does good and refrains from evil simply because the law encourages to the good and deters him from the evil, that is no evidence that he is under the law rather than under grace.
   
   
   
7. The aforementioned uses of the law are not contrary to the grace of the Gospel, but they sweetly comply with it, as the Spirit of Christ subdues and enables the will of man to do freely and cheerfully those things which the will of God, which is revealed in the law, requires to be done.

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Westminster Confession of Faith
Westminister Confession of Faith Chapter 19

Westminister Confession of Faith Chapter 19
Of the Law of God

1. God gave to Adam a law, as a covenant of works, by which he bound him, and all his posterity, to personal, entire, exact, and perpetual obedience; promised life upon the fulfilling, and threatened death upon the breach of it; and endued him with power and ability to keep it.
2. This law, after his fall, continued to be a perfect rule of righteousness; and, as such, was delivered by God upon Mount Sinai, in ten commandments, and written in two tables; the first four commandments containing our duty towards God; and the other six our duty to man.
3. Beside this law, commonly called moral, God was pleased to give to the people of Israel, as a church under age, ceremonial laws containing several typical ordinances; partly of worship, prefiguring Christ, his graces, actions, sufferings, and benefits; and partly holding forth diverse instructions of moral duties. All which ceremonial laws are now abrogated, under the New Testament.
4. To them also, as a body politic, he gave sundry judicial laws, which expired together with the state of that people, not obliging any other now, further than the general equity thereof may require.
5. Although true believers be not under the law as a covenant of works, to be thereby justified or condemned; yet is it of great use to them, as well as to others; in that, as a rule of life, informing them of the will of God and their duty, it directs and binds them to walk accordingly; discovering also the sinful pollutions of their nature, hearts, and lives; so as, examining themselves thereby, they may come to further conviction of, humiliation for, and hatred against sin, together with a clearer sight of the need they have of Christ, and the perfection of his obedience. It is likewise of use to the regenerate, to restrain their corruptions, in that it forbids sin; and the threatenings of it serve to show what even their sins deserve, and what afflictions in this life they may expect for them, although freed from the curse thereof threatened in the law. The promises of it, in like manner, show them God’s approbation of obedience, and what blessings they may expect upon the performance thereof, although not as due to them by the law as a covenant of works: so as a man’s doing good, and refraining from evil, because the law encourageth to the one, and deterreth from the other, is no evidence of his being under the law, and not under grace.
6. Neither are the forementioned uses of the law contrary to the grace of the gospel, but do sweetly comply with it; the Spirit of Christ subduing and enabling the will of man to do that freely and cheerfully which the will of God revealed in the law requires to be done.

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D.L. Moody insists that the Sabbath begins in Eden.
THE TEN COMMANDMENTS text by D. L. Moody

Moody says this in that sermon

"The Sabbath was binding in Eden, and it has been in force ever since. The fourth commandment begins with the word remember, showing that the Sabbath already existed when God wrote this law on the tables of stone at Sinai. How can men claim that this one commandment has been done away with when they will admit that the other nine are still binding?

I believe that the Sabbath question today is a vital one for the whole country. It is the burning question of the present time. If you give up the Sabbath the church goes; if you give up the church the home goes; and if the home goes the nation goes. That is the direction in which we are traveling.

The church of God is losing its power on account of so many people giving up the Sabbath, and using it to promote selfishness."

Both the "Baptist Confession of Faith" - sectn 19 and the "Westminster Confession of Faith" sectn 19 affirm the same point about the TEN Commandments as the moral law of God that is given in Eden.

The lack of depth in the accusations made in the post is reflected somewhat by this statement "Most Christian advocates of Sabbath observance are influenced by Ellen White" - as if all Christians who are not at war against God's 4th commandment -- take their doctrine from Ellen White when it comes to God's Sabbath Commandment.

That is such an extreme statement it is hard to overstate the level of its exaggeration.

Sunday is not the Sabbath Day of the Jewish Law Saturday is .. Sunday is the 1st day of the week not the 7th. Check your calendar. Also, if you are under the Jewish law you are under the curse of the law. Also .. "Let no man judge you in respect of new moons, or of sabbaths .. " You will do FAR better to read the New Testament than ALL the books written by Moodys and Westministers and whoevers.

 

[Ken Rank]

Sunday is not the Sabbath Day of the Jewish Law Saturday is .. Sunday is the 1st day of the week not the 7th. Check your calendar. Also, if you are under the Jewish law you are under the curse of the law. Also .. "Let no man judge you in respect of new moons, or of sabbaths .. " You will do FAR better to read the New Testament than ALL the books written by Moodys and Westministers and whoevers.

Interesting thing about the verse you share....

Col 2:16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths,
Col 2:17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.

Many new versions go against the actual Greek text and ADD the word "were" to verse 17. They say, "which are a shadow of things which WERE to come." But that is added, it is not in the Greek... it is properly represented above. Which means, it is in present tense, they ARE (in Paul's day) a shadow of things to come. Still there, still pointing... still with meaning. But not to the Christian today.

Anyway... if you aren't keeping the Sabbath, there isn't anything to judge. Paul's assumption was that you were, and you shouldn't allow others to judge you because of it.

 

[Ken Rank]

You will do FAR better to read the New Testament than ALL the books written by Moodys and Westministers and whoevers.

Sometimes reading other things can open eyes too...

"Protestants ... accept Sunday rather than Saturday as the day for public worship after the Catholic Church made the change... But the Protestant mind does not seem to realize that ... in observing Sunday, they are accepting the authority of the spokesman for the Church, the pope." Our Sunday Visitor, February 5, 1950

Which is the Sabbath day? Saturday is the Sabbath day. Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday? We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday." Rev. Peter Geiermann C.S.S.R., The Convert's Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, p. 50

Perhaps the boldest thing, the most revolutionary change the Church ever did, happened in the first century. The holy day, the Sabbath, was changed from Saturday to Sunday. 'The Day of the Lord' was chosen, not from any directions noted in the Scriptures, but from the Church's sense of its own power. The day of resurrection, the day of Pentecost, fifty days later, came on the first day of the week. So this would be the new Sabbath. People who think that the Scriptures should be the sole authority, should logically become Seventh Day Adventists, and keep Saturday holy." Sentinel, Saint Catherine Catholic Church, Algonac, Michigan, May 21, 1995

 

[RobertM.]

Sometimes reading other things can open eyes too...

"Protestants ... accept Sunday rather than Saturday as the day for public worship after the Catholic Church made the change... But the Protestant mind does not seem to realize that ... in observing Sunday, they are accepting the authority of the spokesman for the Church, the pope." Our Sunday Visitor, February 5, 1950

Which is the Sabbath day? Saturday is the Sabbath day. Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday? We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday." Rev. Peter Geiermann C.S.S.R., The Convert's Catechism of Catholic Doctrine, p. 50

Perhaps the boldest thing, the most revolutionary change the Church ever did, happened in the first century. The holy day, the Sabbath, was changed from Saturday to Sunday. 'The Day of the Lord' was chosen, not from any directions noted in the Scriptures, but from the Church's sense of its own power. The day of resurrection, the day of Pentecost, fifty days later, came on the first day of the week. So this would be the new Sabbath. People who think that the Scriptures should be the sole authority, should logically become Seventh Day Adventists, and keep Saturday holy." Sentinel, Saint Catherine Catholic Church, Algonac, Michigan, May 21, 1995

How do you know your understanding of church history is not flawed. I understand the bible is true because of the Holy Ghost. "Is it lawful on the Sabbath to do good, or to do evil?" Do you enter into the Lord's rest on Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, etc? Are you a Jew under Moses law, or a Christian under the grace of Christ? Are you circumcised under the law? Do you light a fire on Saturday or Sunday or Monday or Tuesday? Are you son of the bondwoman or son of the free woman? Are you a historian/adherent of denominational organization or a Christian in the Word of God?
Colossians 2:16-17
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

 

[liberty of conscience]

...
Colossians 2:16-17
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Please study that passage more closely:

There are even commentaries that get this:

Interestingly enough Albert Barnes, a noted Bible Commentator, states on Colossians 2:16, on the word “sabbatwn”:

“... Or of the Sabbath days - Greek, “of the Sabbaths.” The word Sabbath in the Old Testament is applied not only to the seventh day, but to all the days of holy rest that were observed by the Hebrews, and particularly to the beginning and close of their great festivals. There is, doubtless, reference to those days in this place, since the word is used in the plural number, and the apostle does not refer particularly to the Sabbath properly so called. There is no evidence from this passage that he would teach that there was no obligation to observe any holy time, for there is not the slightest reason to believe that he meant to teach that one of the ten commandments had ceased to be binding on mankind. If he had used the word in the singular number - “the Sabbath,” it would then, of course, have been clear that he meant to teach that that commandment had ceased to be binding, and that a Sabbath was no longer to be observed. But the use of the term in the plural number, and the connection, show that he had his eye on the great number of days which were observed by the Hebrews as festivals, as a part of their ceremonial and typical law, and not to the moral law, or the Ten Commandments. No part of the moral law - no one of the ten commandments could be spoken of as “a shadow of good things to come.” These commandments are, from the nature of moral law, of perpetual and universal obligation. ...” - Albert Barnes, Colossians 2:16 Commentary. E-Sword App.

Furthermore, another noted Commentator, Adam Clarke, states on the same passage:

“... There is no intimation here that the Sabbath was done away, or that its moral use was superseded, by the introduction of Christianity. I have shown elsewhere that, Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy, is a command of perpetual obligation, and can never be superseded but by the final termination of time. ...” - Adam Clarke, Colossians 2:16 Commentary. E-Sword App.

Even the Jamieson, Fausset and Brown Commentary state:

“... the sabbath — Omit “THE,” which is not in the Greek (compare Note, see on Gal_4:10). “SABBATHS” (not “the sabbaths”) of the day of atonement and feast of tabernacles have come to an end with the Jewish services to which they belonged (Lev_23:32, Lev_23:37-39). The weekly sabbath rests on a more permanent foundation, having been instituted in Paradise to commemorate the completion of creation in six days. Lev_23:38 expressly distinguished “the sabbath of the Lord” from the other sabbaths. A positive precept is right because it is commanded, and ceases to be obligatory when abrogated; a moral precept is commanded eternally, because it is eternally right. If we could keep a perpetual sabbath, as we shall hereafter, the positive precept of the sabbath, one in each week, would not be needed. Heb_4:9, “rests,” Greek, “keeping of sabbath” (Isa_66:23). But we cannot, since even Adam, in innocence, needed one amidst his earthly employments; therefore the sabbath is still needed and is therefore still linked with the other nine commandments, as obligatory in the spirit, though the letter of the law has been superseded by that higher spirit of love which is the essence of law and Gospel alike (Rom_13:8-10). ...” - Jamieson, Fausset and Brown, Colossians 2:16 Commentary. E-Sword App.

Also:

"Colossians 2 KJB, parallels Ephesians 2 KJB, and Hebrews 9-10 KJB. The language is the same. The "ordinances" in Colossians 2 deals with "shadows", such as the daily "meat and drink" offerings of a worldly sanctuary and carnal ordinances, the seasonal "feast days", the monthly "new moons", and the year based "sabbaths", in the singular, every 7 and 50th years, as Paul is citing Psalms 98:1-3; and Ezekiel 45:17 KJB with other texts.

The Sabbath of the LORD thy God is always called "my [as in God's] sabbaths", and the others in Leviticus 23:4 onward are called "your [the peoples] sabbaths" [Leviticus 26:35 KJB] which are "beside [given in addition to] the sabbaths of the LORD" [Leviticus 23:38 KJB]. The Ten Commandments, including the Sabbath of the 4th Commandment, are "light" [Proverbs 6:23, Isaiah 8:20, 51:4 KJB], never a "shadow", are "spiritual" [Romans 7:14 KJB], never "carnal" [Hebrews 9:10 KJB].

Colossians 2:14 - "ordinances"
Ephesians 2:15 - "law of commandments contained in ordinances"
Hebrews 9:1 - "ordinances of divine service"
Hebrews 9:10 - "carnal ordinances"

Colossians 2:16 - "in meat, or in drink" [offerings]
Hebrews 9:10 - "meats and drinks" [offerings]

Colossians 2:12 - "also ye are risen with him"
Ephesians 2:6 - "raised us up together"

Colossians 2:16 - "a shadow of things to come"
Ephesians 2:7 - "in the ages to come"
Hebrews 9:11 - "of good things to come"
Hebrews 10:1 - "the law having a shadow of good things to come", "those sacrifices", "offered year by year"

[ps. none of the Ten Commandments deal with carnal sacrifices]
It speaks of plural, "sabbath days" (or 'of sabbaths'). The context, is also not concerned with all 'sabbaths' but is limited in scope, to that which is "shadow" (not light, not body or substance), that which is "of things to come" (type pointing to the future events) and of "ordinances", as follows.

[1] The Sabbath of the LORD thy God, of Creation (Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11), was given to mankind (Adam) before the sin of mankind (Mark 2:27), before the need of shadow and type, which were given after the sin of mankind, under the Levitical priesthood.

[2] The Sabbath of the LORD the God, is a memorial (pointing backwards, thu the words "Remember" (Exodus 20:8)), to a perfect world without sin, perfect relationship, perfect rest), and is not pointing to the future.

[3] The Sabbath of the LORD thy God, is singular and specific. "The seventh day" "the sabbath" "of the LORD thy God".

Exodus 20:8 KJB - Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exodus 20:9 KJB - Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exodus 20:10 KJB - But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exodus 20:11 KJB - For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Exodus 20:8 HOT - זכור את־יום השׁבת לקדשׁו׃
Exodus 20:9 HOT - שׁשׁת ימים תעבד ועשׂית כל־מלאכתך׃
Exodus 20:10 HOT - ויום השׁביעי שׁבת ליהוה אלהיך לא־תעשׂה כל־מלאכה אתה ובנך־ובתך עבדך ואמתך ובהמתך וגרך אשׁר בשׁעריך׃
Exodus 20:11 HOT - כי שׁשׁת־ימים עשׂה יהוה את־השׁמים ואת־הארץ את־הים ואת־כל־אשׁר־בם וינח ביום השׁביעי על־כן ברך יהוה את־יום השׁבת ויקדשׁהו׃

Exodus 20:8 HOT Translit. - zäkhôr et-yôm haSHaBät l'qaD'shô
Exodus 20:9 HOT Translit. - shëshet yämiym Taávod w'äsiytä Käl-m'lakh'Tekhä
Exodus20:10 HOT Translit. -w'yôm haSH'viyiy shaBät layhwäh éloheykhä lo-taáseh khäl-m'läkhäh aTäh ûvin'khä-ûviTekhä av'D'khä waámät'khä ûv'hem'Tekhä w'gër'khä ásher Bish'äreykhä
Exodus 20:11 HOT Translit. - Kiy shëshet-yämiym äsäh y'hwäh et-haSHämayim w'et-hääretz et-haYäm w'et-Käl-ásher-Bäm waYänach BaYôm haSH'viyiy al-Kën Bërakh' y'hwäh et-yôm haSHaBät way'qaD'shëhû š

[4] The Sabbath of the LORD is separate from the yearly festal sabbaths, as denoted in Leviticus 23 (see Leviticus 23:3; then see Leviticus 23:4,38 "beside the sabbaths of the LORD")

[5] The Sabbath of the LORD thy God, is called "the sabbath of the LORD" (Exodus 20:8-11, etc), and "My sabbaths" (Isaiah 56:4; Ezekiel 20:20), as opposed to theirs, called "your sabbaths" (Leviticus 26:34,35), and "her sabbaths" (Leviticus 26:34,43; 2 Chronicles 26:31; Lamentations 1:7; Hosea 2:11), etc.

[6] Colossians 2, in its entire context says nothing about "the seventh day", but speaks of merely the shadow sabbaths (plural, not singular), and says nothing of "commandment" (as Luke 23:54,56 does), but speaks of wordly "ordinances" (Colossians 2:14,20).

[7] Colossians 2, speaks of "sins" (Colossians 2:13), which is "transgression of the law" (1 John 3:4), of which the 4th Commandment (Exodus 20:8-11) is central, whereas the yearly (and of years) sabbaths are not given in the Ten Commandments at all.

More can be said, but 7 was a good number to round it off at this point, there is more detail as necessary ..." - cited with edits, as there was an entire well presented study already posted online awhile ago (and I will simply refer to it)- SHADOW LAWS OF THE OLD COVENANT FULFILLED IN THE NEW? COL 2

 

[RobertM.]

Please study that passage more closely:

There are even commentaries that get this:

Interestingly enough Albert Barnes, a noted Bible Commentator, states on Colossians 2:16, on the word “sabbatwn”:

“... Or of the Sabbath days - Greek, “of the Sabbaths.” The word Sabbath in the Old Testament is applied not only to the seventh day, but to all the days of holy rest that were observed by the Hebrews, and particularly to the beginning and close of their great festivals. There is, doubtless, reference to those days in this place, since the word is used in the plural number, and the apostle does not refer particularly to the Sabbath properly so called. There is no evidence from this passage that he would teach that there was no obligation to observe any holy time, for there is not the slightest reason to believe that he meant to teach that one of the ten commandments had ceased to be binding on mankind. If he had used the word in the singular number - “the Sabbath,” it would then, of course, have been clear that he meant to teach that that commandment had ceased to be binding, and that a Sabbath was no longer to be observed. But the use of the term in the plural number, and the connection, show that he had his eye on the great number of days which were observed by the Hebrews as festivals, as a part of their ceremonial and typical law, and not to the moral law, or the Ten Commandments. No part of the moral law - no one of the ten commandments could be spoken of as “a shadow of good things to come.” These commandments are, from the nature of moral law, of perpetual and universal obligation. ...” - Albert Barnes, Colossians 2:16 Commentary. E-Sword App.

Furthermore, another noted Commentator, Adam Clarke, states on the same passage:

“... There is no intimation here that the Sabbath was done away, or that its moral use was superseded, by the introduction of Christianity. I have shown elsewhere that, Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy, is a command of perpetual obligation, and can never be superseded but by the final termination of time. ...” - Adam Clarke, Colossians 2:16 Commentary. E-Sword App.

Even the Jamieson, Fausset and Brown Commentary state:

“... the sabbath — Omit “THE,” which is not in the Greek (compare Note, see on Gal_4:10). “SABBATHS” (not “the sabbaths”) of the day of atonement and feast of tabernacles have come to an end with the Jewish services to which they belonged (Lev_23:32, Lev_23:37-39). The weekly sabbath rests on a more permanent foundation, having been instituted in Paradise to commemorate the completion of creation in six days. Lev_23:38 expressly distinguished “the sabbath of the Lord” from the other sabbaths. A positive precept is right because it is commanded, and ceases to be obligatory when abrogated; a moral precept is commanded eternally, because it is eternally right. If we could keep a perpetual sabbath, as we shall hereafter, the positive precept of the sabbath, one in each week, would not be needed. Heb_4:9, “rests,” Greek, “keeping of sabbath” (Isa_66:23). But we cannot, since even Adam, in innocence, needed one amidst his earthly employments; therefore the sabbath is still needed and is therefore still linked with the other nine commandments, as obligatory in the spirit, though the letter of the law has been superseded by that higher spirit of love which is the essence of law and Gospel alike (Rom_13:8-10). ...” - Jamieson, Fausset and Brown, Colossians 2:16 Commentary. E-Sword App.

Also:

"Colossians 2 KJB, parallels Ephesians 2 KJB, and Hebrews 9-10 KJB. The language is the same. The "ordinances" in Colossians 2 deals with "shadows", such as the daily "meat and drink" offerings of a worldly sanctuary and carnal ordinances, the seasonal "feast days", the monthly "new moons", and the year based "sabbaths", in the singular, every 7 and 50th years, as Paul is citing Psalms 98:1-3; and Ezekiel 45:17 KJB with other texts.

The Sabbath of the LORD thy God is always called "my [as in God's] sabbaths", and the others in Leviticus 23:4 onward are called "your [the peoples] sabbaths" [Leviticus 26:35 KJB] which are "beside [given in addition to] the sabbaths of the LORD" [Leviticus 23:38 KJB]. The Ten Commandments, including the Sabbath of the 4th Commandment, are "light" [Proverbs 6:23, Isaiah 8:20, 51:4 KJB], never a "shadow", are "spiritual" [Romans 7:14 KJB], never "carnal" [Hebrews 9:10 KJB].

Colossians 2:14 - "ordinances"
Ephesians 2:15 - "law of commandments contained in ordinances"
Hebrews 9:1 - "ordinances of divine service"
Hebrews 9:10 - "carnal ordinances"

Colossians 2:16 - "in meat, or in drink" [offerings]
Hebrews 9:10 - "meats and drinks" [offerings]

Colossians 2:12 - "also ye are risen with him"
Ephesians 2:6 - "raised us up together"

Colossians 2:16 - "a shadow of things to come"
Ephesians 2:7 - "in the ages to come"
Hebrews 9:11 - "of good things to come"
Hebrews 10:1 - "the law having a shadow of good things to come", "those sacrifices", "offered year by year"

[ps. none of the Ten Commandments deal with carnal sacrifices]
It speaks of plural, "sabbath days" (or 'of sabbaths'). The context, is also not concerned with all 'sabbaths' but is limited in scope, to that which is "shadow" (not light, not body or substance), that which is "of things to come" (type pointing to the future events) and of "ordinances", as follows.

[1] The Sabbath of the LORD thy God, of Creation (Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11), was given to mankind (Adam) before the sin of mankind (Mark 2:27), before the need of shadow and type, which were given after the sin of mankind, under the Levitical priesthood.

[2] The Sabbath of the LORD the God, is a memorial (pointing backwards, thu the words "Remember" (Exodus 20:8)), to a perfect world without sin, perfect relationship, perfect rest), and is not pointing to the future.

[3] The Sabbath of the LORD thy God, is singular and specific. "The seventh day" "the sabbath" "of the LORD thy God".

Exodus 20:8 KJB - Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exodus 20:9 KJB - Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exodus 20:10 KJB - But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exodus 20:11 KJB - For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

Exodus 20:8 HOT - זכור את־יום השׁבת לקדשׁו׃
Exodus 20:9 HOT - שׁשׁת ימים תעבד ועשׂית כל־מלאכתך׃
Exodus 20:10 HOT - ויום השׁביעי שׁבת ליהוה אלהיך לא־תעשׂה כל־מלאכה אתה ובנך־ובתך עבדך ואמתך ובהמתך וגרך אשׁר בשׁעריך׃
Exodus 20:11 HOT - כי שׁשׁת־ימים עשׂה יהוה את־השׁמים ואת־הארץ את־הים ואת־כל־אשׁר־בם וינח ביום השׁביעי על־כן ברך יהוה את־יום השׁבת ויקדשׁהו׃

Exodus 20:8 HOT Translit. - zäkhôr et-yôm haSHaBät l'qaD'shô
Exodus 20:9 HOT Translit. - shëshet yämiym Taávod w'äsiytä Käl-m'lakh'Tekhä
Exodus20:10 HOT Translit. -w'yôm haSH'viyiy shaBät layhwäh éloheykhä lo-taáseh khäl-m'läkhäh aTäh ûvin'khä-ûviTekhä av'D'khä waámät'khä ûv'hem'Tekhä w'gër'khä ásher Bish'äreykhä
Exodus 20:11 HOT Translit. - Kiy shëshet-yämiym äsäh y'hwäh et-haSHämayim w'et-hääretz et-haYäm w'et-Käl-ásher-Bäm waYänach BaYôm haSH'viyiy al-Kën Bërakh' y'hwäh et-yôm haSHaBät way'qaD'shëhû š

[4] The Sabbath of the LORD is separate from the yearly festal sabbaths, as denoted in Leviticus 23 (see Leviticus 23:3; then see Leviticus 23:4,38 "beside the sabbaths of the LORD")

[5] The Sabbath of the LORD thy God, is called "the sabbath of the LORD" (Exodus 20:8-11, etc), and "My sabbaths" (Isaiah 56:4; Ezekiel 20:20), as opposed to theirs, called "your sabbaths" (Leviticus 26:34,35), and "her sabbaths" (Leviticus 26:34,43; 2 Chronicles 26:31; Lamentations 1:7; Hosea 2:11), etc.

[6] Colossians 2, in its entire context says nothing about "the seventh day", but speaks of merely the shadow sabbaths (plural, not singular), and says nothing of "commandment" (as Luke 23:54,56 does), but speaks of wordly "ordinances" (Colossians 2:14,20).

[7] Colossians 2, speaks of "sins" (Colossians 2:13), which is "transgression of the law" (1 John 3:4), of which the 4th Commandment (Exodus 20:8-11) is central, whereas the yearly (and of years) sabbaths are not given in the Ten Commandments at all.

More can be said, but 7 was a good number to round it off at this point, there is more detail as necessary ..." - cited with edits, as there was an entire well presented study already posted online awhile ago (and I will simply refer to it)- SHADOW LAWS OF THE OLD COVENANT FULFILLED IN THE NEW? COL 2

By your quoting of so many 'Commentators' I see easily who has led you astray. You would find like mindedness in the Jews who enlarged on the Law before Christ, who wrote book after book after book about the Law instead of simply obeying them. However .. I will ask you one thing, are you a Jew under the Law? If so you had better read up on Sabbath Laws, such as:
Exodus 16:29 King James Version (KJV)
29 See, for that the Lord hath given you the sabbath, therefore he giveth you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.
Lock your doors and don't go out!!!

 

[BobRyan]

Sunday is not the Sabbath Day of the Jewish Law Saturday is .. Sunday is the 1st day of the week not the 7th.

That is true. I affirm that from the start.

Check your calendar. Also, if you are under the Jewish law you are under the curse of the law.

New Covenant made with "the house of Israel and the house of Judah" Jer 31:31-33... are you under the NEW Covenant??

Ex 20 - TEN commandments given to Israel - includes "do not take God's name in vain" .. is it only a sin if "Jews" take God's name in vain - but not a sin if gentiles do it??

 

[BobRyan]

" You will do FAR better to read the New Testament than ALL the books written by Moodys and Westministers and whoevers.

Paul says that the Ten Commandments still apply to Christians -- that includes "do not take God's name in vain" Ex 20:7

--- Eph 6:2 Paul reminds us that the 5th commandment "is the first commandment with a promise" in that still-valid unit of TEN

No wonder Paul says "what matters is keeping the Commandments of God" 1 Cor 7:19.

And he affirms the Jer 31:31-33 fact that the "LAW is written on the heart" Hebrews 8:6-13 under the New Covenant

No wonder even these Sunday sources all affirm the Ten Commandments for Christians.

The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson
Eastern Orthodox Catechism
The Catholic Catechism

 

[RobertM.]

Paul says that the Ten Commandments still apply to Christians -- that includes "do not take God's name in vain" --- Eph 6:2 Paul reminds us that the 5th commandment "is the first commandment with a promise" in that still-valid unit of TEN

No wonder Paul says "what matters is keeping the Commandments of God" 1 Cor 7:19.

No wonder even these Sunday sources all affirm the Ten Commandments for Christians.

The Baptist Confession of Faith,
the Westminster Confession of Faith ,
D.L. Moody,
R.C Sproul,
Matthew Henry,
Thomas Watson
Eastern Orthodox Catechism
The Catholic Catechism

Yes you include all those human authorities, but ignore the authority of God's Word. Also, who is our Father if we are born of God .. it is God the Father ('Call no man on earth your father ...')

 

[BobRyan]

Paul says that the Ten Commandments still apply to Christians -- that includes "do not take God's name in vain" --- Eph 6:2 Paul reminds us that the 5th commandment "is the first commandment with a promise" in that still-valid unit of TEN

No wonder Paul says "what matters is keeping the Commandments of God" 1 Cor 7:19.

And he affirms the Jer 31:31-33 fact that the "LAW is written on the heart" Hebrews 8:6-13 under the New Covenant

No wonder even these Sunday sources all affirm the Ten Commandments for Christians.
...

Yes you include all those human authorities, but ignore the authority of God's Word. Also, who is our Father if we are born of God .. it is God the Father ('Call no man on earth your father ...')

I find your logic "illusive" just then.

 

[liberty of conscience]

By your quoting of so many 'Commentators' I see easily who has led you astray. You would find like mindedness in the Jews who enlarged on the Law before Christ, who wrote book after book after book about the Law instead of simply obeying them. However .. I will ask you one thing, are you a Jew under the Law? If so you had better read up on Sabbath Laws, such as:
Exodus 16:29 King James Version (KJV)
29 See, for that the Lord hath given you the sabbath, therefore he giveth you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.
Lock your doors and don't go out!!!

I cited the commentators for your benefit, not my authority. My authority is scripture (KJB). I desired to show you that we are not alone in what we teach from God's word.

Exodus 16 is in the wilderness, before they had homes, and that vs 29 is connected with the falling manna. If you will read Joshua 1-5, you will see something interesting in regards this.

 

[liberty of conscience]

... Also, who is our Father if we are born of God .. it is God the Father ('Call no man on earth your father ...')

God, the Father is our Father (over all) - Matthew 6:9; John 20:17, etc.

Jesus, the Son of The Father, is our Father (we His disciples, as little children) - Hebrews 2:13; Isaiah 8:16,18; John 13:33, etc.

The Holy Ghost is our Father (born again of/through)- John 3:3,5,7; 1 Peter 1:23, etc.

They (three) are Fathers in differing ways.

 

[RobertM.]

I guess Sabbath keepers better avoid photography, and draw no pictures: "Make no graven image." This will be my last word, as a Non Jew not under the Mosaic Law, but under the love of Christ which leads us by Spirit and Word not to sin.

 

[liberty of conscience]

I guess Sabbath keepers better avoid photography, and draw no pictures: "Make no graven image." This will be my last word, as a Non Jew not under the Mosaic Law, but under the love of Christ which leads us by Spirit and Word not to sin.

That is a misunderstanding of 'make no graven image'.

Upon the Ark itself on either side was a golden (olive wood inside) Cherub (Exodus 25:19, 37:8). In Solomon's Temple there were larger ones made (1 Kings 6:24,25,26,27; 2 Chronicles 3:11,12)

There were images in the Sanctuary itself, upon the vail and walls, of angels, and nature (1 Kings 6:29,32,35; 2 Kings 25:16; Ezekiel 41:18).

Upon the Garments of the high priest were images of Pomegranates (Exodus 28:34, 39:26) and bells.

In Solomon's Temple, there were carved Oxen underneath the Sea (1 Kings 7:25,44).

They were allowed to make the bronze serpent in the wilderness (Numbers 21:8,9, which was later idolized and smashed; 2 Kings 18:4).

 

[EJ M]

I find your logic "illusive" just then.

Please explain the logic of quoting those who go to church on Sunday as "proof" of the validity of the Sabbath when your prophetess EG White said, going to church on Sunday is the mark of the beast.

("Here we find the mark of the beast. The very act of changing the Sabbath into Sunday, on the part of the Catholic church, without any authority from the Bible." (Ellen G. White, The Mark of the Beast, page 23)

 

[BobRyan]

Please explain the logic of quoting those who go to church on Sunday as "proof" of the validity of the Sabbath

I do it for those who "read", and whose interest in the topic goes beyond "gaming".

Because it turns out there are a number of basic points on the Sabbath vs Sunday discussion - and one of them is that the Sabbath began in Eden.. a Bible "detail" sooooo incredibly obvious that even the Sunday groups admit it.

Which was the point... obviously

A point so irrefutable - as was demonstrated that even you could not touch it.

 

[BobRyan]

I guess Sabbath keepers better avoid photography, and draw no pictures: "Make no graven image." .

Or take God's name in vain.

Probably why Paul says the 5th commandment "is the first commandment with a promise" in that still valid unit of TEN.

For those who 'read the OP' -- we have Sunday groups affirming ALL TEN.

 

[liberty of conscience]

Please explain the logic of quoting those who go to church on Sunday as "proof" of the validity of the Sabbath when your prophetess EG White said, going to church on Sunday is the mark of the beast.

("Here we find the mark of the beast. The very act of changing the Sabbath into Sunday, on the part of the Catholic church, without any authority from the Bible." (Ellen G. White, The Mark of the Beast, page 23)

The citations from 'sunday' theologians, is cited for their inconsistency in their own statements. In one place they say something is eternal, unchanging, moral, etc from the beginning, etc, and yet in another place turn right round and twist what is plain, to suit their present thought and action on a single commandment (Exodus 20:8-11). They are right in a lot of what they say, except in the point wherein they contradict, not only themselves, but more importantly the scripture they cite as evidence.

[error 1] You are mistaken as to what the "mark of the Beast" is in the citation. It is not "going to church on Sunday". It is recognizing the authority of men over God, in the "changing [of] the Sabbath into Sunday, on the part of the Catholic church, without any authority from the Bible."

[error 2] Additionally, sister White is not the one who wrote those words cited by you (and many other incorrect websites, which means you just plagiarized and gave no credit to your source, which is in error by several ways), "Here we find the mark of the beast. The very act of changing the Sabbath into Sunday, on the part of the Catholic church, without any authority from the Bible."

Feel free to search all of the writings of sister Ellen G White here for those words, and you will never find them as cited (use the search function, upper right): - English — Ellen G. White Writings

[error 3] The citation being cited (sic) supposedly come from the book, "The Mark of the Beast", which "work" was authored/compiled by Harvest Time Books, author Vance Ferrell - Store - Harvest Time Books.

I have the book (physical hard copy (paperback) in my lap as I type this. The Title page clearly says, "Part Two by E. G. White", which doesn't begin until page 113, which is citing from the Great Controversy (1888, 1911; page 493.1). Sister White has authored no book/work titled, "The Mark of the Beast", see that here - Ellen G. White® Estate: EGW Writings book list

You may see a PDF copy of the book here -
https://www.bible-sabbath.com/Sabbath-Sunday/MarkofBeast.pdf

[error 4] A person may search that book until the 'cows come home' (1 Samuel 6:7,14, hint, they're not coming back home) on Page 23 (or anywhere in that book) of "The Mark of the Beast" and never find that quotation as cited.

There is a close resemblance on Page 20 (PDF 19), which says this:

"... Question—How prove you that the Church hath power to command feasts and holy days? Answer— By the very act of changing the Sabbath Into Sunday, which Protestants allow of [by observing It}, and therefore they fondly contradict themselves, by keeping Sunday strictly, and breaking most other feasts commanded by the same church."—Priest Henry Tuberville, An Abridgment of the Christian Doctrine, p. 58 {Roman Catholic}. ..."

Another close resemblance is on Page 83 (PDF 82), which says this:

"... As the sign of the authority of the Catholic Church, papist writers cite “the very act of changing the Sabbath into Sunday, which Protestants allow of . . because by keeping Sunday strictly they acknowledge the church’s power to ordain feasts and to command them under sin” (Abridgement of Christian Doctrine, p. 58, H. Tuberville). What then is the change of the Sabbath, but the sign or mark of the authority of the Romish Church—“the mark of the beast?” ..."

Where then does the actual quote come from?, not "The Mark of the Beast" by Harvest Time Books by Vance Ferrell, but rather it comes from, The Advent Review and Sabbath Herald, more specifically:

The Advent Review and Sabbath Herald, Volume 22 (1863); September 29, 1863; RH Vol. XXII. - Battle Creek, Mich, Third-day, -No. 18, "The Mark of the Beast, and Seal of the Living God. A Discourse on Rev. XIV, 9-12, By Eld. Moses Hull (Concluded.); page 138.10

"... Here we find the mark of the beast. The very act of changing the Sabbath into Sunday, on the part of the Catholic church, without any authority from the Bible, is thrown out as a sign of her power. Reader, will you acknowledge the power of the "mother of harlots?" Are you aware that you are doing so every time you keep Sunday as a holy day? If not, read the following challenge from a Roman Catholic Bishop: {September 29, 1863 JWe, ARSH 138.10} ..." - Advent Review, and Sabbath Herald, vol. 22


After Moses Hull, gave up the message, here's what happened to him:

"... Born in Waldo, Ohio, Hull was a member of the United Brethren Church in his teens. He joined the Seventh-day Adventist Church in 1857, and became a prominent minister and debater for that denomination. In September 1863, Hull preached his last sermon as an Adventist minister."

Around this time, he turned most of energies towards the promotion of Spiritualism, ..." - Moses Hull - Wikipedia

[error 5] The citation doesn't even use proper ellipses, as the actual original sentence does not end at "without any authority from the Bible", but continues by saying, "... is thrown out as a sign of her power." That is misrepresentation.

Will you publically acknowledge your (these) errors, and I ask in charity (1 Cor. 13). In other words, when confronted with truth, in the place of previous deception (theirs) will you admit it and come out from among them and be ye separate?

(P.S. this isn't the only thing they royally mess up, and there are other 'citations' worse than this mess, even from multiple sources in differing years in two continents mashed together in a single 'source')

 

[RobertM.]

That is a misunderstanding of 'make no graven image'.

Upon the Ark itself on either side was a golden (olive wood inside) Cherub (Exodus 25:19, 37:8). In Solomon's Temple there were larger ones made (1 Kings 6:24,25,26,27; 2 Chronicles 3:11,12)

There were images in the Sanctuary itself, upon the vail and walls, of angels, and nature (1 Kings 6:29,32,35; 2 Kings 25:16; Ezekiel 41:18).

Upon the Garments of the high priest were images of Pomegranates (Exodus 28:34, 39:26) and bells.

In Solomon's Temple, there were carved Oxen underneath the Sea (1 Kings 7:25,44).

They were allowed to make the bronze serpent in the wilderness (Numbers 21:8,9, which was later idolized and smashed; 2 Kings 18:4).

If God wants to break his own commandment as David did eating the priests' bread what is that to you? Make sure YOU obey the commandment, you image maker under the Jewish law instead of the grace of the Gentiles (until the time of the Gentiles is fullfilled.)