Sabbath And First Day

[overcomer]

Because I was replying to a post by an SDA member. Although many are under the impression that their obedience to the Law can save a person, few are so open to state as the SDA do. In all cases, they are in very serious error.

Many are under the impression? You have proof that SDAs believe keeping the law would save them?

 

[overcomer]

Changed midstream from keeping the commandments to being saved by obedience to the Law.
No one yet , not you, not all the others claiming that someone said they could be saved by keeping the law,
has
quoted anyone who said they could be saved by keeping the law.

As far as keeping the commandments - most all of the Christians on this forum , well, a lot of them, it seems, (I've read many posts, and no, not quoting them here - it gets too close to breaking the tOS),
all say they keep the commandments.

Isn't that strange ?

Some say they keep 10 commandments like MOSES and the ISRAELITES and the APOSTLES and the DISCIPLES did.

Some say they keep 2 commandments (but don't prove that either) .....

Some say they keep 9 commandments.....

Some say they are saved by keeping 2 commandments (I think - I wasn't watching or counting the posts, just in passing)....

So men have mixed it all up, eh!?

Many Christians say they don't have to keep any commandment, because law is abolished and Jesus kept them for them.

Some Christians keep 9, but the bible says if you break one, they break them all.

While many other only know the version that has been changed, modified.

 

[overcomer]

There is only one Church established by Christ. It came to be called the Catholic Church by the end of the first century. It is still called the Catholic church. It began at Pentecost. All baptized Christians are part of this church; some are in complete communion because they are not in schism, and some are in incomplete communion because they are in schism (such as Protestants), but all baptized Christians are in communion with this one and only Catholic Church which Christ established.

I looked through the bible and can't find the word Catholic in it.

 

[overcomer]

Actually, the SDA does not come remotely close to keeping the Sabbath holy as clearly and explicitely set out in the Pentateuch. They do not completely rest on the Sabbath and they routinely kindle fires in their kitchens, their furnace, and automobiles.

The SDA is proud of keeping the Ten Commandments and some of the dietary commandments, but as for the others, the SDA has written them off completely.

Again I don't find the words 'kitchens, furnace, fire, automobiles'... in the 10 commandments.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I looked through the bible and can't find the word Catholic in it.

Look on the TITLE page.
Or Preface. / Contents page.
For better or for worse, it is often there.

 

[prodromos]

Fox's book of Martyrs estimates millions killed during the Dark Ages.

Given population estimates for the time period, apparently entire countries had their populations wiped out. Fox's book is propaganda. It is not a reliable source.

 

[Albion]

Is this Bob?

How many times do I have to inform this forum that the Church of the Bible was called the Catholic Church by the end of the first century?

So what? EO churches and Old Catholics and other churches incorporate the term into their legal titles, too, just as still more have done with Apostolic and Holy. Yet, you probably think that your church is part of the One, Holy, Catholic, & Apostolic Church no less these.

 

[overcomer]

Look on the TITLE page.
Or Preface. / Contents page.
For better or for worse, it is often there.

Maybe in the commentary sections of the Catholic bible.

 

[Albion]

Maybe in the commentary sections of the Catholic bible.

Yeh. I have no idea what he was thinking when posting that in post #85.

 

[overcomer]

Given population estimates for the time period, apparently entire countries had their populations wiped out. Fox's book is propaganda. It is not a reliable source.

If Bubonic plague is blamed for 25-50 millions deaths over 200 years, Europe definitely had enough population.

It seems like anything short of a papal imprimatur, it's not reliable. Not even the Bible is authoritative enough.

 

[overcomer]

Yeh. I have no idea what he was thinking when posting that in post #85.

He claimed Jesus founded the Catholic Church that it existed since the day of Pentecost.

 

[prodromos]

It seems like anything short of a papal imprimatur, it's not reliable. Not even the Bible is authoritative enough.

I'm not Catholic.

 

[Albion]

He claimed Jesus founded the Catholic Church that it existed since the day of Pentecost.

That isn't what I was referring to. Did he not say that the word Catholic is on the title page of the Bible, etc.?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Yeh. I have no idea what he was thinking when posting that in post #85.

He claimed Jesus founded the Catholic Church that it existed since the day of Pentecost.

That isn't what I was referring to. Did he not say that the word Catholic is on the title page of the Bible, etc.?

OF the catholic published bible - one of the most common printed.

Y'all got me mixed up with someone else: we Anabaptists as far as I know and have always found to be true,
believing the BIBLE and following JESUS,
were always persecuted and put to death by Protestants and Catholics.
(Catholics started it, of course)

 

[Albion]

OF the catholic published bible - one of the most common printed.

I think you're telling me that the post I referred to was said tongue-in-cheek. Apologies for not catching it.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I think you're telling me that the post I referred to was said tongue-in-cheek. Apologies for not catching it.

No worries - no cheek either - I won't have one of the ones published for the catholics in my home - it has been a long long time since I ever saw one , and I'm not sure which page it says "catholic" , but it does somewhere.

 

[overcomer]

OF the catholic published bible - one of the most common printed.

Y'all got me mixed up with someone else: we Anabaptists as far as I know and have always found to be true,
believing the BIBLE and following JESUS,
were always persecuted and put to death by Protestants and Catholics.
(Catholics started it, of course)

Oh I thought you were messianic.

The SDA pioneers received the sabbath truth from the Anabaptists. A moving story how it came to be.

 

[Meowzltov]

Can sins be forgiven except through confession to a Catholic priest?

Is it not a mortal sin to wilfully and knowlingly absent one from attending Catholic mass at least once a week?

An act of perfect contrition will forgive a mortal sin even if one has not gone to a priest.

It is objectively a mortal sin to miss Sunday Mass, but there are actually three criteria for something to be a functional mortal sin.
1. It must be grave matter (such as missing Sunday Mass)
2. The penitent must KNOW that it is a mortal sin
3. The penitent must sin of their own free will

A lot of times, someone will commit number one, but not qualify because they do not meet criteria two or three.

 

[Meowzltov]

Breaking bread may not be. But breaking bread after Sabbath sundown (Saturday evening) in a Jewish setting is Havdalah service. Go to an orthodox Jewish home. They are still doing the same thing.

I disagree. Any time you break bread, it is the Lord's Supper.

 

[Meowzltov]

Where in the scriptures say the Lord's Day is sunday?

The Apostles were Jews and kept Sabbath holy. The changed to Sunday was not instituted until the 4th century by pope Sylvester.

I answered all of this. Scroll back. You are quite mistaken about this 4th Century stuff. Reference the Didache, Ignatius, et al.