Sabbath And First Day

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Almost all the Apostles, and many of the seventy, suffered martyrdom. You seem to have a very secular understanding of what it means to enjoy God's peace.

You misunderstood.
All over the world, believers have been persecuted for centuries.
put to death, tortured, arrested, and so on.
There was one or more countries though, out of all the nations,
for a time,
that honored YHWH'S WORD, as a nation. THERE they had peace as long as the country (it's leaders and people)
honored YHWH'S WORD.
Not before then,
not after then,
and not common at all.

 

[prodromos]

There was one or more countries though, out of all the nations, for a time, that honored YHWH'S WORD, as a nation.

Which nations were these and when?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I will leave that as the mystery for now. It is rare enough, if you ever heard of them, you would know. Too many people want to argue about these things instead of really seeking the truth to go further with this on this site.

 

[Meowzltov]

Saturday is a pagan name, but Sabbath is Hebrew and biblical.

and "The Lord's Day" is from the Greek and Biblical.

 

[Meowzltov]

"The Church is above the Bible; and this transference of Sabbath observance to Sunday is proof positive of that fact.

The Bible has two verses, one of which references meeting on the first day of the week to break bread, and the other referencing the Lord's Day. We know that these verses mean a weekly gathering because of other first century writings by the Church.

 

[Meowzltov]

"The Pope has power to change times, to abrogate (change) laws, and to dispense with all things, even the precepts of Christ." --- Decretal, de Tranlatic Episcop.

Okay. And???? Pope's don't always speak infallibly. He's mistaken and out of touch with the Magisterium.

 

[Meowzltov]

"Distinctive of the Roman Catholic Church, Sunday Mass observance became a mark of a practicing Catholic." --- Dictionary of the Liturgy, Rev. Jovian P. Lang, OFM., Catholic Book Publishing Co., 1989,

Remember that at THAT time, the Catholic church was synonymous with the Christian church. It was the only game in town. The church in the Bible came to be called the Catholic church inside the first century.

 

[overcomer]

and "The Lord's Day" is from the Greek and Biblical.

Check the quote I gave earlier this thread. The apostles called the 7th day the Lord's day.

Jesus said he is the Lord of the sabbath or Sunday?

 

[overcomer]

Remember that at THAT time, the Catholic church was synonymous with the Christian church. It was the only game in town. The church in the Bible came to be called the Catholic church inside the first century.

The Catholic Church persecuted Bible believing christians. They fled into the wilderness. There was no Catholic Church in first century.

 

[prodromos]

The Catholic Church persecuted Bible believing christians. They fled into the wilderness.

Who were these 'Bible believing christians'? Where can I read what they taught?

There was no Catholic Church in first century.

There was no Seventh Day Adventist Church either, however there are many early references to the Church as being catholic and being orthodox, neither of which were used as nouns at the time.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Foxes Book of Martyrs has revealing truth about the early century's sabbath keepers I think.

 

[prodromos]

Foxes Book of Martyrs has revealing truth about the early century's sabbath keepers I think.

Foxes Book of Martyrs is propaganda which deliberately skips a huge chunk of Church history.
For example, one of the reasons the bishop of Rome was highly regarded throughout the Church is because being elected as bishop of Rome in the early centuries was literally a death sentence. Those who were chosen by the Church knew that they were going to die as martyrs for Christ but accepted the responsibility regardless. Most of the early bishops of Rome were some of the best examples of Christian witnesses the world has ever seen, yet Foxes Book of Martyrs passes over them in silence.

 

[bbbbbbb]

Millions of them slaughtered by RCC during the dark ages.

SDA belief is the same as all the OT & NT saints who kept all of commandments of God (not some modified version) and believed in the messiah's advent.

In the end, it's not about being written in some mens' records. It's about being written in the book of life in heaven.

Oddly enough, the SDA has never come remotely close to keeping all of the commandments of God.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I say oddly to the folks in the SDA who think they are keeping ALL of God's commandments.

Why them ? Why just the SDA(if there was one or more) (Is it just because it's their thread or section or something?)

The point is,
why not tell the others who think that they also have kept ALL of God's commandments ??

 

[prodromos]

Millions of them slaughtered by RCC during the dark ages.

Citation?
Any confirmation by actual historians?

 

[prodromos]

If , as it is the case, you cannot do this, your argument has no dilithium crystals.

Overcomer is the only one making the claim, no one else is, therefore it is his claim that lacks substance

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Overcomer is the only one making the claim, no one else is, therefore it is his claim that lacks substance

A lot of claims .... and now this one.... perhaps it is correct -
would you quote him where he made that claim ?

(I didn't see anyone , not even him, make that claim)

 

[prodromos]

A lot of claims .... and now this one.... perhaps it is correct -
would you quote him where he made that claim ?

(I didn't see anyone , not even him, make that claim)

SDA belief is the same as all the OT & NT saints who kept all of commandments of God (not some modified version) and believed in the messiah's advent.

 

[Meowzltov]

Check the quote I gave earlier this thread. The apostles called the 7th day the Lord's day.

Jesus said he is the Lord of the sabbath or Sunday?

Nah. The ONLY time "The Lord's Day" (exactly that) is used in the Bible is in Revelation 1:10 and it doesn't say which day it refers to. You have to read the Apostolic Fathers to find out which day of the week is the Lord's Day.

 

[Meowzltov]

Again that refers to the Havdalah service. The Jews came together after sabbath sundown, on Saturday evening, not on Sunday.

Breaking bread is not a Havdalah service.