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The Catholic Church views seventh-day Sabbatarianism, which advocates worship on Saturday as the Sabbath, as a misunderstanding of Christian tradition. The Church teaches that Sunday, the day of Christ's resurrection, is the Lord's Day and the proper day for Christian worship. This shift from Saturday to Sunday worship began in the early Church and is rooted in the New Testament, where the apostles and early Christians gathered on the first day of the week.

The Church also emphasises that the Sabbath commandment is fulfilled in Christ, who offers eternal rest and salvation. Therefore, the observance of Sunday is not merely about following a rule but celebrating the new covenant established through Jesus.
 

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No church is above the authority of God. Why there is no commandment to keep Sunday holy, no God's sanctification on Sunday, it is a man-made tradition leading people away from keeping God's commandments Mat 15:3-14. Jesus never told anyone to keep Sunday because He rose on Sunday instead of keeping the Sabbath commandment, This strictly comes from the teachings of the Catholic church that sadly most people followed instead of being faithful to God and His commandments.
 
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Regardless of what calendar anyone is using, doesn't change the weekly cycle. This can be traced back to Creation. Gen 1, Gen 2:1-3

Sunday will always be the first day of the week and Saturday will always be the seventh day or the Sabbath. Exo 20:10 Why almost all ancient languages Saturday translates into Sabbath. Regardless what man does to try to destroy the Sabbath, God will always preserve His Sabbath for His people who want to keep the commandments of God- His version, not what was edited by man.


 
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It says the seventh day is the Sabbath, it is the Sabbath, not a Sabbath, so yes, according to God's own Testimony the Sabbath is on the seventh day Exo 20:10. He deemed all other days as working days Exo 20:9 and only blessed, sanctified and made holy the seventh day. He deemed it My holy day, the holy day of the Lord Isa 58:13. Man has taken it upon themselves to deem another day in place of what God said. That has never worked out for anyone in the Scriptures, no matter how many people disobeyed, not sure why people would think it will workout out well now.
 
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No they don't, just because Europe changed the calendar to a work week calendar doesn't make it God's calendar. I can make my calendar on my computer start any day I want, but doesn't change the weekly cycle that Sunday will always be the first day and Saturday will always be the seventh day.
 
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God's weekly calendar from the beginning as seen in Gen 1, Gen 2:1-3

God would not give a commandment and then not give man the ability to keep it according to the commandment, just like His faithful followers did Luke 23:56. People seem to know when Jesus rose, so its not hard to know when the Sabbath is. It has never changed and will continue on Isa 66:23
 
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God numbered all days except the Sabbath, He gave it a name, the Sabbath and numbered it, the seventh day and that has and will never change regardless what man does or says, because they are not God.
 
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Your disagreement will have to be taken up with God as He is the one who created the weekly cycle from the beginning Gen 1 Gen 2:1-3 and gave the Sabbath both a name and a number Exo 20:10. I find these all in my Bible, not sure why you can't.
 
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There is no historical confusion about whether our current calendar Saturday is the same as the historical 7th day = Sabbath day in Judaism, and that our current calendar Sunday = historically the 1st day of the week. The fact that ISO has a different day numbering/start day doesn't change that.

Many languages around the world (e.g. among others Hebrew, Arabic, Indonesian, Malaysian) still have literally the number 'one' as the name for the day that corresponds to our current calendar Sunday.

When Sunday rest was put in Law by Emperor Constantine as the 1st day of the week, that was done deliberately on a different day from what the Jews celebrated on the Sabbath day. The theological claim was that the Genesis principle and Mosaic Law for Sabbath rest was no longer valid, and that Christians should ONLY rest / worship / celebrate on Sunday as the 1st day of the week.
 
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The Catholic Church views seventh-day Sabbatarianism, which advocates worship on Saturday as the Sabbath, as a misunderstanding of Christian tradition. The Church teaches that Sunday, the day of Christ's resurrection, is the Lord's Day and the proper day for Christian worship. This shift from Saturday to Sunday worship began in the early Church and is rooted in the New Testament, where the apostles and early Christians gathered on the first day of the week.

The Church also emphasises that the Sabbath commandment is fulfilled in Christ, who offers eternal rest and salvation. Therefore, the observance of Sunday is not merely about following a rule but celebrating the new covenant established through Jesus.
The Israelites worshipped God on every day, which included obeying His command to keep the 7th day holy, so there is nothing wrong with someone following a tradition of worshiping God on Sunday in order to honor the resurrection in addition to obeying God's command to keep the 7th day holy as well as God's other commands, but we should not hypocritically set aside any of God's commands in order to establish our traditions (Mark 7:6-9). In Titus 2:14, Jesus gave himself to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works, someone trying to honor the resurrection by disobeying God's command to keep the 7th day holy would be like a husband trying to honor his wife by committing adultery.
 
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The 7th day is not based on whenever we feeling like starting to count, but rather it is in memorial of when God rested on the 7th day after Creation. The Israelites received a double portion of manna for the 7th day for 40 years in the wilderness, so they knew on which day God rested, they have been keeping it ever since, and the period of time that they have been keeping as the 7th day corresponds to between Friday and Saturday night at sundown on the Gregorian calendar.
 
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It is the 7th day from the start of Creation, not from whenever you feel like starting to count. There is no evidence in the Bible that the Israelites permitted to pick whatever day they wanted to be their 7th day, but rather they kept it together as a community when God gave them a double portion of manna.
 
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Sunday is the 1st day of the week on which Yeshua was raised .. our weekly calendar is still the same as the one of the 1st century. The Bible does not speak about the Sabbath day as just randomly any 7-th day ... the week days were very specific. And a Sabbath day (7th day of the weekly cycle) by definition cannot be also the Sunday (the 1st day). The weekly cycle of Yeshua's era is the same as ours - it's illogical/impossible to state a Sunday might as well be called a 7th-day aka Sabbath Day. I don't remember any church father who has ever held that position.

This is all still orthogonal to the issue whether a Gentile believer in this era should keep the Sabbath Day as found in Generis or the Torah.

Just for my information - do I recall correctly you hold the 'supersessionism' / 'replacement' theology position? I.e. a physical / people of Israel does not play a role anymore in Gods plan and future dealing of Him with this world?
 
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The Catholic Church views seventh-day Sabbatarianism, which advocates worship on Saturday as the Sabbath, as a misunderstanding of Christian tradition.
first of all -- I really do like the genuine and logical conclusion you make for your premises -- the problem is that your premise is not accurate.

1. the term "Sabbatarianism" is not found in the Bible.
2. If keeping the Sabbath in its unaltered God-given form - the 7th day of the week Ex 20:8-11 -- then all the saints of Heb 11, and all the writers of the NT were "Sabbatarians"
3. Paul was engaged in Gospel preaching to gentiles and jews "Every Sabbath" Acts 18:4
4. Gentiles ask for more Gospel preaching to be scheduled for them again "The NEXT Sabbath" in Acts 13 at which point they invite almost "the entire town"
The Church teaches that Sunday, the day of Christ's resurrection, is the Lord's Day
The Catholic church teaches that the LORD's day is the 7th day of the week "as God gave it".

But that later the Catholic Church "changed it"


and the proper day for Christian worship. This shift from Saturday to Sunday worship began in the early Church and is rooted in the New Testament,
Not according to the Catholic Church statement about what is not actually in the Bible.

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"The Faith Explained" Catholic Commentary on the Baltimore Catechism post Vatican II - argues the SAME two points.
1965 -- first published 1959

(from "The Faith Explained" by Leo Trese page 243

"we know that in the O.T it was the seventh day of the week - the Sabbath day- which was observed as the Lord's day. that was the law as God gave it...'remember to keep holy the Sabbath day.. the early Christian church determined as the Lord's day the first day of the week. That the church had the right to make such a law is evident...

"The reason for changing the Lord's day from Saturday to Sunday lies in the fact that to the Christian church the first day of the week had been made double holy...

"nothing is said in the bible about the change of the Lord's day from Saturday to Sunday..that is why we find so illogical the attitude of many non-Catholic who say they will believe nothing unless they can find it in the bible and yet will continue to keep Sunday as the Lord's day on the say-so of the Catholic church"

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Convert's Catechism

Full text of "The convert's catechism of Catholic doctrine"
3. The Third Commandment.
Q. What is the Third Commandment?
A. The Third Commandment is: Remember that thou keep holy the Sabbath day.
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Q. Which is the Sabbath day ?
A. Saturday is the Sabbath day.

Q. Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday ?
A. We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church, in the Council of Laodicea (A.D. 336), transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday.

Q. Why did the Catholic Church substitute Sunday for Saturday?

A. The Church substituted Sunday for Saturday, because Christ rose from the dead on a Sunday, and the Holy Ghost descended upon the Apostles on a Sunday.

Q. By what authority did the Church substitute Sunday for Saturday
A. The Church substituted Sunday for Saturday by the plenitude of that divine power which Jesus Christ bestowed upon her.


Q. What does the Third Commandment command?
A. The Third Commandment commands us to sanctify Sunday as the Lord's Day.

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Thomaston, Georgia
May 22, 1934

Pop Pius XI
Rome, Italy

Dear Sir;
Is the accusation true, that Protestants accuse you of? They say you
changed the Seventh Day Sabbath to the, so-called, Christian Sunday:
Identical with the First Day of the week. If so, when did you make the
change, and by what authority?

Yours very truly,
J. L. Day
The Reply:
THE CATHOLIC EXTENSION MAGAZINE
180 Wabash Ave., Chicago, Illinois
(Under the Blessing of Pop Pius XI)
Dear sir:
Regarding the change from the observance of the Jewish Sabbath to the
Christian Sunday, I wish to draw your attention to the facts:

> (1) That Protestants, who accept the Bible as the only rule of faith and religion, should by all means go back to the observance of the Sabbath.
The fact that they do not, but on the contrary observe the Sunday, stultifies them in the eyes of every thinking man.

(2) We Catholics do not accept the Bible as the only rule of faith.
Besides the Bible we have the living Church, the authority of the Church,
as a rule to guide us. ...
(3) We also say that of all Protestants, the Seventh-day Adventists are
the only group that reason correctly and are consistent with their
teachings. It is always somewhat laughable to see the Protestant Churches,
in pulpit and legislature, demand the observance of Sunday of which there
is nothing in the Bible.

With best wishes,
Peter R. Tramer, Editor
 
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The Church also emphasises that the Sabbath commandment is fulfilled in Christ, who offers eternal rest and salvation.
The Catholic church says it is a mortal sin to avoid the Sabbath on the actual day that the Sabbath is to be kept. (in their view it is of course week-day-1 even though they do not have a single text in the Bible calling week-day-1 the Sabbath)
Therefore, the observance of Sunday is not merely about following a rule but celebrating the new covenant established through Jesus.
Jer 31:31-34 is the New Covenant in scripture .. .quoted verbatim from the OT in Heb 8. unchanged.

Jesus ratified it, and of course Gen 2:1-4 is Jesus creating it as Ex 20:8-11 and Heb 8 point out.
 
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Sunday "became the 7th day" of the week in Europe late in the 20th century. If next year they change to having Tuesday as the 7th day of week -- that too would not change the Bible

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In a world where the Bible does not change with every vote of a politician, that can indeed be the result
 
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Gen 2:1-3 is about an event long before Babylon -- and is not written from Babylon or after Babylonian captivity -- it is speaking of an event before the flood.
Ex 20:8-11 does not say "for Babylon has decided..."
Nor did Babylon ever quote Gen 2 for its laws.

Moses was not "adopting Babylonian concepts" neither was God.

2 Tim 3:15-16 God said all scripture is "inspired by God and to be used for doctrine" rather than "inspired by Babylon and not to be used for doctrine"

God said that for all eternity after the cross in the New Earth "From Sabbath to Sabbath shall all mankind come before Me to worship" Is 66:23 and even the Catholic church admits that in IS 66 - that term meant Saturday, the 7th day of the week.
 
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Fun fact - the Bible does not change its law every time a politician votes something.

I guess we all knew that.
 
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This shift from Saturday to Sunday worship began in the early Church and is rooted in the New Testament, where the apostles and early Christians gathered on the first day of the week.
1. Every single instance of the term Sabbath as a reference for a day of worship each week - in the NT - is always the 7th day of the week. The day when the Synagogue attendees worshipped - see Acts 13 and Acts 18:4.
2. The NT church knew nothing of a week-day-1 "Sabbath" each week from what we see in the actual NT text itself.
3. IF they had the idea that the term "Sabbath" would from now on be a reference to the first day of the week - they would have said it - at least once kind of the way they repeatedly said that the Gospel/salvation was not just for Jews but also for gentiles - repeatedly.
 
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