Romans 4, water baptism?

[bbbbbbb]

Peace to all,

To me, baptism sanctifies as immortal and incorruptible the spirit in the soul of the being in the body of Christ.

The power to reject the will of God is perhaps stronger than the will of God itself.

To me, This is the power of choice, the defiled state of the first spirit with internal temptations that can lead away from the will of the Father.

Peace always,
Stephen

As I understand you, if one is baptized as a new-born infant one has complete eternal security of salvation in heaven regardless of what one may or may not believe or do the remainder of one's life. Am I correct in thinking this?

 

[Stephen Andrew]

Peace to all,

To me, this is the logic of the Holy Spirit.

To me, Baptism causes incorruptibility and immortality to the spirit through the body in the soul of the being. After the first sin, the Spirit will, is regenerated becoming the confirmed regerated state of Grace and through the directed will of The Creator becomes reestablished back to the spirit in the soul of the being through the Christ's personal soul and the Person of the Spirit in The Christ shared with all mankind as one in being with the Father and The Son and becoming glorified and transfigured into the Body of God.

Peace always,
Stephen

 

[Stephen Andrew]

Peace to all,

To me, the logic of the Holy Spirit.

To me, Baptism causes incorruptibility and immortality to the spirit and the body in the soul of the being. After the first sin, the Holy Spirit will, the sanctified state of Grace has to be reestablished back to the spirit in the soul of the being through the Christ, the body of God.

To me, eternal life is manefested by the selected spirit in the soul of the being at resurrection.

Peace always,
Stephen

 

[bbbbbbb]

Peace to all,

To me, this is the logic of the Holy Spirit.

To me, Baptism causes incorruptibility and immortality to the spirit through the body in the soul of the being. After the first sin, the Holy Spirit will, is regenerated becoming the confirmed sanctified state of Grace and through the directed will of The Creator becomes reestablished back to the spirit in the soul of the being through the Christ's personal soul and the Person of the Holy Spirit in The Christ shared with all mankind as one in being with the Father and The Son and becoming glorified and transfigured into the Body of God.

Peace always,
Stephen

Can I take this as a positive response to my question?

 

[Stephen Andrew]

Peace to all,

Yes, thanks, truly positive.

To me, the logic is present fully in the Holy Spirit Person in the Body of The Person Christ in all faithfulness and morality shared with all mankind as regenerated confirmed sanctified immortalized incorruptible and glorified and transfigured into His pattern and image.

To me, the model of salvation is the will of The Holy Spirit as a Person in the Mother of the Christ as the Power of The Holy Spirit. Some Church teachings believe that the will of the Father is blown into the soul of Mary at Her conception by a "singular" special Grace of God. And through the Virgin Birth of The Christ, the Word, the eternal law in faith and morality became flesh. This is the Holy Spirit will of God that will never fail as the eternal law of Faith and morals that He came to fulfill. What strength allowed Mary to stay at the foot of the cross of Christ's crucifixion? What power sustained Her to endure the suffering of Her son's mission? To me, this is why Mary is called The Queen of Martyrs. To me, the Power is what comes from the will of the Father. The will of the Father is the directed will of infallibility, the "steering wheel" to lead US in the Holy Spirit will to never fail, as more abundant life on earth and glorified and transfigured into the image of The Creator, God in eternity in faith and morals as The Christ, from the incorruptible and immortal Body of Mary as adopted brothers and sisters of Jesus. To me there is no greater power on earth to know the spirit will of the Father as the eternal law in faith and morals in the Holy Spirit will of The Father. We make regenerated and manifested by the Body the Holy Spirit will of God now as the Holy Spirit in the pattern and image of The Father intrinsic in the soul of the Being to never fail and remain incorruptibly glorified as transfigured. To me, there is no greater power on earth to receive the Holy Spirit will of the Father as the regenerated and confirmed spirit in the soul of the being except in passing back out the keys to open to all mankind throughout the day that "Jesus is God" as in the Confession of St. Peter. To me there is no greater work possible than sharing the logic of the will of the Father, the Holy Spirit will of God, for the salvation of souls.

The logic could be, if we work to save, the saved will be searching and finding US all in eternity in union with the Holy Spirit as one in being with the father and the Son, glorified and transfigured becoming into The Body of God. To me, We are connected to the Power of the Holy Spirit will of God as Eternal in Being.

From the cross, He said to His Mother at the foot of the cross, "Woman, behold your son or daughter" and he said to the unknown disciple, He called you, US all by name before we were born, looked into the eyes of "the disciple" He loved the most, all mankind. He loves all of His Disciples all the most and says, "Ecce Mater tua," Behold your Mother. We take Her home just as John, who wrote the Gospel according to John and the Book of Revelation, and John was with the Queen of Council, the Mother of God, Mary for many years on earth and now in Heaven. Mary was Baptized on earth by Her Son, Jesus who was Baptized by John the Baptist to gloriously transfigure.

To me having the will of the Father in the soul, the regenerated and confirmed Holy Spirit as the "steering wheel" in the soul of the being is knowing "What would Jesus do"? in all cases of faith and morality.

To me salvation is Jesus' fulfillment of the mortal love of Adam and Eve into the glorified transfigured Eternal Love of the Christ, manifested by the Power of the Holy Spirit becoming the image of The Father, the Body of God, through the Power of The Holy Spirit.

Peace always,
Stephen

 

[bbbbbbb]

Peace to all,

Yes, thanks, truly positive.

To me, the logic is present fully in the Holy Spirit Person in the Body of The Person Christ in all faithfulness and morality shared with all mankind as regenerated confirmed sanctified immortalized incorruptible and glorified and transfigured into His pattern and image.

To me, the model of salvation is the will of The Holy Spirit as a Person in the Mother of the Christ as the Power of The Holy Spirit. Some Church teachings believe that the will of the Father is blown into the soul of Mary at Her conception by a "singular" special Grace of God. And through the Virgin Birth of The Christ, the Word, the eternal law in faith and morality became flesh. This is the Holy Spirit will of God that will never fail as the eternal law of Faith and morals that He came to fulfill. What strength allowed Mary to stay at the foot of the cross of Christ's crucifixion? What power sustained Her to endure the suffering of Her son's mission? To me, this is why Mary is called The Queen of Martyrs. To me, the Power is what comes from the will of the Father. The will of the Father is the directed will of infallibility, the "steering wheel" to lead US in the Holy Spirit will to never fail, as more abundant life on earth and glorified and transfigured into the image of The Creator, God in eternity in faith and morals as The Christ, from the incorruptible and immortal Body of Mary as adopted brothers and sisters of Jesus. To me there is no greater power on earth to know the spirit will of the Father as the eternal law in faith and morals in the Holy Spirit will of The Father. We make regenerated and manifested by the Body the Holy Spirit will of God now as the Holy Spirit in the pattern and image of The Father intrinsic in the soul of the Being to never fail and remain incorruptibly glorified as transfigured. To me, there is no greater power on earth to receive the Holy Spirit will of the Father as the regenerated and confirmed spirit in the soul of the being except in passing back out the keys to open to all mankind throughout the day that "Jesus is God" as in the Confession of St. Peter. To me there is no greater work possible than sharing the logic of the will of the Father, the Holy Spirit will of God, for the salvation of souls.

The logic could be, if we work to save, the saved will be searching and finding US all in eternity in union with the Holy Spirit as one in being with the father and the Son, glorified and transfigured becoming into The Body of God. To me, We are connected to the Power of the Holy Spirit will of God as Eternal in Being.

From the cross, He said to His Mother at the foot of the cross, "Woman, behold your son or daughter" and he said to the unknown disciple, He called you, US all by name before we were born, looked into the eyes of "the disciple" He loved the most, all mankind. He loves all of His Disciples all the most and says, "Ecce Mater tua," Behold your Mother. We take Her home just as John, who wrote the Gospel according to John and the Book of Revelation, and John was with the Queen of Council, the Mother of God, Mary for many years on earth and now in Heaven. Mary was Baptized on earth by Her Son, Jesus who was Baptized by John the Baptist to gloriously transfigure.

To me having the will of the Father in the soul, the regenerated and confirmed Holy Spirit as the "steering wheel" in the soul of the being is knowing "What would Jesus do"? in all cases of faith and morality.

To me salvation is Jesus' fulfillment of the mortal love of Adam and Eve into the glorified transfigured Eternal Love of the Christ, manifested by the Power of the Holy Spirit becoming the image of The Father, the Body of God, through the Power of The Holy Spirit.

Peace always,
Stephen

That is very curious. The Catholic Church definitely does not teach any form of eternal security for its members. It is entirely possible that a baptized, faithful, practicing Catholic can commit a mortal sin and, without repentance, confession, and penance, will not go to Purgatory, but will go to hell. Venial sins, on the other hand, do not result in the eternal damnation of one's soul.

 

[Dan Perez]

Peace to all,

To me, the logic of the Holy Spirit.

To me, Baptism causes incorruptibility and immortality to the spirit and the body in the soul of the being. After the first sin, the Holy Spirit will, the sanctified state of Grace has to be reestablished back to the spirit in the soul of the being through the Christ, the body of God.

To me, eternal life is manefested by the selected spirit in the soul of the being at resurrection.

Peace always,
Stephen

I would like to see verses for the ABOVE , PLEASE ?

dan p

 

[Stephen Andrew]

Peace to all,

It is logic, I see, I may have to recheck the wording.
To me the logic follows the Divination of the Body, soul, spirit and nature, the Body.
I have read and am thinking somewhere ans perhaps many places, there is preaching of spirits and sightings Apostles were to not to talk about until after the resurrection, one example is The Transfiguration. And in James and John and Peter, all speak of the "holy " spirit of Jesus as it was at the Transfiguration.

Just as similarly the Earthly Body is in the image of the bodies of Adam and Eve, so will be the transfigured body becoming into the Body of the Creator, The Father, God.

Thanks Dan,

If you can, help in logic, perhaps I may be in error, thanks in advance.

I have found Dogmas of the faith that seem to try to explain Transfiguration and but none so much as presented in Logic. To me story logic is like a parable and has to be valid and correct with respect to the CCC and Catholic teaching.

To me no sin is allowed in Heaven and the sanctified state has to be reached to enter Heaven because there cannot be any chance of choice that can fail through the choice of some other selected spirit to manifest sin.

It is sanctifying grace received at Baptism, the Holy Spirit state is in the soul after Baptism, and through sin, confirmation of the Holy Spirit and regeneration of the Holy Spirit will of the Father is restored through confession and as the Sanctified Holy Spirit restored allowing the Sanctified repentant being to be forgiven and glorified and transfigured at the resurrection.

This is the logic I have derived from Dogmas and the CCC that to me help me see 'Born again and saved as Catholic" as Catholic as correct rational critical thinking logic.

Please advise if some of my words can be improved to help enlighten the Logic of the Holy Spirit. Thanks in advance, to all. If there is a specific line I typed in question please further single out and I may have to revise if I have said something wrong, thanks in advance.

And we know by the faith of Abraham all mankind is saved redeemed 2000 years later through The Power of the Holy Spirit in the soul of the being to never fail.

Peace always,
Stephen

 

[bbbbbbb]

Peace to all,

It is logic, I see, I may have to recheck the wording.
To me the logic follows the Divination of the Body, soul, spirit and nature, the Body.
I have read and am thinking somewhere ans perhaps many places, there is preaching of spirits and sightings Apostles were to not to talk about until after the resurrection, one example is The Transfiguration. And in James and John and Peter, all speak of the "holy " spirit of Jesus as it was at the Transfiguration.

Just as similarly the Earthly Body is in the image of the bodies of Adam and Eve, so will be the transfigured body becoming into the Body of the Creator, The Father, God.

Thanks Dan,

If you can, help in logic, perhaps I may be in error, thanks in advance.

I have found Dogmas of the faith that seem to try to explain Transfiguration and but none so much as presented in Logic. To me story logic is like a parable and has to be valid and correct with respect to the CCC and Catholic teaching.

To me no sin is allowed in Heaven and the sanctified state has to be reached to enter Heaven because there cannot be any chance of choice that can fail through the choice of some other selected spirit to manifest sin.

It is sanctifying grace received at Baptism, the Holy Spirit state is in the soul after Baptism, and through sin, confirmation of the Holy Spirit and regeneration of the Holy Spirit will of the Father is restored through confession and as the Sanctified Holy Spirit restored allowing the Sanctified repentant being to be forgiven and glorified and transfigured at the resurrection.

This is the logic I have derived from Dogmas and the CCC that to me help me see 'Born again and saved as Catholic" as Catholic as correct rational critical thinking logic.

Please advise if some of my words can be improved to help enlighten the Logic of the Holy Spirit. Thanks in advance, to all. If there is a specific line I typed in question please further single out and I may have to revise if I have said something wrong, thanks in advance.

And we know by the faith of Abraham all mankind is saved redeemed 2000 years later through The Power of the Holy Spirit in the soul of the being to never fail.

Peace always,
Stephen

It looks as you and Dan are talking completely past each other. His faith is articulated by the authority of the Word of God, the Bible. For you, the Bible is secondary with personal theology augmented somewhat by the CCC forming your faith.

 

[Stephen Andrew]

Peace to all,

True, we know the Bible is a reference book, AND we know most importantly, The Bible is the inspired Word of God.

To me pondering the seven gifts of the Holy Spirit and reading the dogmas of the faith, His logic is manifested through the Holy Spirit will of the Father.

To me, the logic is that the spirit is what manifests the Body in the soul of the being. What logically is Baptized in the being is through the power in the water through the sacrament of Baptism, splashing on the flesh of the being in the Body. It is through the flesh to the spirit in the soul of the being that all becomes Baptized into the Body of Christ. Both spirit and Body are regenerated as sanctified and the spirit manifests the flesh and the Body becoming able as immortal and incorruptible and sanctified and confirmed into the Holy Spirit will of God to become glorified and transfigured by the sanctified Holy Spirit will in the soul of the being by the Holy Spirit Person in the soul of the being in the Body of Christ.

We know through the faith of Abraham logically see God. The Christ transfigures the Body, spirit, soul and flesh. Transfigured to me is the "Gift" as glorified and becoming into the image of The Creator, the Father in Heaven, God.

The logic brought to light to me is that Christ fulfilled the mortal failed love of Adam and Eve by contact through the Host. The Host transforms the failed mortal love of Adam and Eve on a fallen earth through the fulfillment of New Arc of the Covenant, eternal immortal anf fulfilled Love through the Body of The Christ in the New Heaven, now open to all mankind, flesh and angels and saints and martyrs and Old Covenant saved and Dismas from the cross, the repentant sinner was told he would be in "Paradise" all in the New Beings and the New Earth. The flood of Noah was the earth's Baptism. Everything on earth was at least 40 foot under water and all by contact of the fulfilled New Living Sacrifice, The Transport, The Host. The Blood and water flowed from the side of Christ to the earth and to Longinus and to all disciples of Christ from the cross. The Body of God, Heaven and Earth is Transfigured. To me, this is just my logic.

In the bible, through all of the senses of contact Jesus has saved so many. Through His saliva, he spits in the face of a blind man, two times, and returns vision. And by contact of just breath alone, He just breaths on them and they receive eternal life through the Holy Spirit will of God. His breath delivering the Holy Spirit will of God to the Apostles is the Jewish Pentecost in the upper room. He, again by contact restored with His hand the severed ear of a Roman soldier. Through contact at least once by all of His senses He resurrects from immortal and incorruptible Baptized life on earth. All mankind becomming transfigured glorified in Heaven through the New Living Sacrifice is transfigured through contact.

And he came near and touched the bier. And they that carried it, stood still. And he said: Young man, I say to thee, arise. And he that was dead, sat up, and began to speak. And he gave him to his mother.

Sometimes I find readings to support the logic of the Holy Spirit will of God and try to keep them to show proof even to myself and sometimes I cannot find them back again to read. And sometimes I find new readings to support the logic and write down more logic in truth to The Logic of the Holy Spirit. In most cases, to me salvation logic is the spirit in the soul that will always direct US to the Logic of Christ. The logic that transforms always leads to the correct answer in faith and morality and follows Him with the fulfilled logic of, What would Jesus do in all cases of Faith and morality.

To me Jesus would keep the doors open to all mankind everywhere on earth to the Logic and Power of the Holy Spirit will of God through the Church in faith and morality that is becoming into the Body of Christ, in the pattern, the image of The Creator, The Father, God.

Peace always,
D STephen

 

[Dan Perez]

In Acts 18 it doesn't say that Crispus officiated baptism for anyone, the implication is that Crispus and his household were baptized. Hence it says they believed. The further information Paul gives us in 1 Corinthians is that Paul did perform the baptism on Crispus.

Paul is thankful that he wasn't the one personally performing the baptisms which the Corinthian believers received, because of the way they were quarreling amongs themselves, setting themselves up into factions, "I'm of Paul" "I'm of Peter" "I'm of Apollos" "I'm of Christ", etc. Paul, therefore, is thankful that he only was personally involved in a few of the baptisms. Because Paul wanted to be absolutely clear that there is no "of Paul" or "of Peter" or "of Apollos", it doesn't matter who performed the baptism, it doesn't matter whose preaching was heard when they believed. Paul is just a servant, Apollos is just a servant, Peter is just a servant. They all preach the same Gospel, they all serve the same Christ. And therefore, when the Corinthians believed and received baptism, it doesn't matter whether Paul was personally involved, or Apollos, or Peter, or anyone else. What mattered was they are the vineyard of God.

"I planted, Apollos watered, but it was God who gave the growth." (1 Corinthians 3:6)

Faith comes not from the power and will of man, but as the gift of God (Ephesians 2:8), for it is the word of God that creates faith (Romans 10:17). And so the seed of the word (see the Parable of the Sower) is that while there are those who plant the seed, there are those who water the seed, it is God Himself who causes the seed to grow and produce faith.

Therefore the person who performs a baptism isn't what matters. What matters is the word of God which creates faith. So the Apostle says he was not sent to baptize but to preach.

Anyone can perform baptism, since it is not the one who performs the baptism that matters--it is God who gives the growth, God who creates faith, God who gives life and new birth. The servant who officiates is nothing more than that, a servant. It is God who is at work in the Sacrament of Holy Baptism to work faith and give life. Thus baptism is properly the work of God alone, not the work of any man.

-CryptoLutheran

And I disagree , as in Acts 18:8 it says that they were Hearing and Believing and were being BAPTIZED .

By the way , do you see WATER // HUDOR in the Greek in that verse , NO >

So what name is this BAPTISM then called ??

And in 1 Cor 10:2 And all were BAPTIZED unto Moses in the CLUD and in the SEA ?

How then were those Jews who were CROSSING the Red Sea , BAPTIZED unto Moses , Cloud and SEA ?

dan p

dan p

 

[Stephen Andrew]

Peace to all,

To me the logic of Baptism of Water and of Fire makes the mortal and corrupt Body immortal and incorruptible, and transfigured.

St Paul speaks of the Body as The Being in the spirit in the Soul of The Body.

Baptism of Water and Fire is in the Power of the Water and Fire of Baptism to the spirit in the soul of the being through the flesh. When we become a New Being in the Church of Christ, the Body, the spirit in the soul of the being in the Body of Christ becomes immortal and incorruptible through the Baptism of John, the Baptism of Water. Both spirit and flesh in the The Christ, the Body of God are pleasing to God as sanctified and ready through the confirmation of the Being regenerated through the Holy Spirit Person. Through the Baptism of Fire, the Baptized with Water being is now through the Communion as the confirmed and regenerated being becoming able to Transfigured into the image of The Creator, God, The Father in heaven and ready for Heaven as pleasing to God. We as all mankind become united as one in being as brothers and sisters of The Christ together with teh Father and the Son, glorified and transfigured becoming His image. All from the Power from the cross. From the cross is where the Blood and Water flows for the salvation and resurrection of the Body becoming the image God, The Father through the New Arc of the Covenant, the Eternal Life of fulfilled Love of The Christ, the Body of God.

Peace always,
Stephen

 

[ViaCrucis]

By the way , do you see WATER // HUDOR in the Greek in that verse , NO >

Irrelevant.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Dan Perez]

Irrelevant.

-CryptoLutheran

Can 1 Cor 15:29 also be irrelevant also , in being BAPTIZED for the DEAD ?

And in Rom 6:3 it reads , Or are you IGNORANT , that as many as were BAPTIZED // BAPTIZO , into Christ , were BAPTIZED // BAPTIZO INTO his Death ?

Where is the WATER // HYDOR in the Greek text ?

And if you believe in WATER BAPTISM ?

# 1 How can you WATER BAPTIZED into Christ Jesus and be WATER BAPTIZE into his DEATH ??

dan p

 

[Stephen Andrew]

Peace to all,

To me the logic of Baptism of Water and of Fire makes the mortal and corrupt Body from Adam and Eve the Newly Baptized Body of Christ, from Mary immortal and incorruptible, and then regerated resanctified and glorified and transfigured into the pattern, into becoming the image of The Creator, God, The Father.

St Paul speaks of the Body as The Being in the spirit in the Soul of The Body.

Baptism of Water and Fire is in the Power of the Water and Fire of Baptism to the spirit in the soul of the being through the flesh. When we become a New Being in the Church of Christ, the Body, the spirit in the soul of the being in the Body of Christ becomes immortal and incorruptible through the Baptism of John, the Baptism of Water. Both spirit and flesh in the The Christ, the Body of God are pleasing to God as sanctified and ready through the confirmation of the Being regenerated through the Holy Spirit Person. Through the Baptism of Fire, the Baptized with Water being is now through the Communion as the confirmed and regenerated being becoming able to Transfigured into the image of The Creator, God, The Father in heaven and ready for Heaven as pleasing to God. We as all mankind become united as one in being as brothers and sisters of The Christ together with the Father and the Son, glorified and transfigured becoming His image. All from the Power from the cross. From the cross is where the Blood and Water flows for the salvation and resurrection of the Body becoming the image God, The Father through the New Arc of the Covenant, the Eternal Life of fulfilled Love of The Christ, the Body of God.

Peace always,
Stephen

 

[ViaCrucis]

Can 1 Cor 15:29 also be irrelevant also , in being BPTIZED for the DEAD ?

I don't know what Paul means here, and neither do you. So, in this conversation? Yes it is irrelevant.

And in Rom 6:3 it reads , Or are you IGNORANT , that as many as were BAPTIZED // BAPTIZO , into Christ , were BAPTIZED // BAPTIZO INTO his Death ?

Where is the WATER // HYDOR in the Greek text ?

And if you believe in WATER BAPTISM ?

# 1 How can you WATER BAPTIZED into Christ Jesus and be WATER BAPTIZE into his DEATH ??

dan p

I tell you what, explain why the word water should be in the text.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Stephen Andrew]

To me, water is the medium to transfer the power of immortality and incorruptibility to the spirit in the soul through the flesh

 

[Dan Perez]

I don't know what Paul means here, and neither do you. So, in this conversation? Yes it is irrelevant.



I tell you what, explain why the word water should be in the text.

-CryptoLutheran

Lets begin with Acts 1:5 and reads , For John indeed BAPTIZED // BAPTIZO , with WATER //HYDOR , but you will be BAPTIZED // BAPTIZO , is in the Greek FUTURE TENSE and means it has yet to happen , in the PASSIVE VOICE , which means Christ is controlling it , and n the Greek INDICATIVE MOOD , which means you better believe it and is in the Greek , PLURAL , meaning all Jews

And be BAPTIZED with the HOLY SPIRIT which only happened to 3ooo saved in the beginning and that another 5000 in Acts 4:4

This means that they will all be BAPTIZED with the Holy Spirit and WATER // HYDOR is now GONE forever .

dan p

 

[Ain't Zwinglian]

I don't know what Paul means here, and neither do you. So, in this conversation? Yes it is irrelevant.

Quite right. This is a curious text. Paul neither condones the practice nor forbids the practice of baptizing the dead. Perhaps the reason why this strange text is in the NT, is the Corinthians actually believed baptism did something, although wrongly. Something for us to think about.

Modern day Baptist and American Evangelicals believe baptism does nothing and is only an act for the audience of our belief.

 

[ViaCrucis]

Lets begin with Acts 1:5 and reads , For John indeed BAPTIZED // BAPTIZO , with WATER //HYDOR , but you will be BAPTIZED // BAPTIZO , is in the Greek FUTURE TENSE and means it has yet to happen , in the PASSIVE VOICE , which means Christ is controlling it , and n the Greek INDICATIVE MOOD , which means you better believe it and is in the Greek , PLURAL , meaning all Jews

And be BAPTIZED with the HOLY SPIRIT which only happened to 3ooo saved in the beginning and that another 5000 in Acts 4:4

This means that they will all be BAPTIZED with the Holy Spirit and WATER // HYDOR is now GONE forever .

dan p

That's a huge leap, and ignores the Ethiopian eunuch.

-CryptoLutheran